***** Official 2017 Astros Off Season Thread *****

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Agree

Just reminding everyone that while Cabrera may be cheaper money wise he's going to cost us some significant talent.

We have prospects that we need to move. Whether if it's for Cabrera or pitching, we need to thin out the upper level of our farm system a bit. Reed, White, Moran, Hernandez, Kemp, etc are all guys that could be traded. Tack on an arm or two and I think it's a deal that wouldn't hurt that bad.
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http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/houston-astros-carlos-beltran-edwin-encarnacion-brian-mcann-yankees-padres-white-sox-110916

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Houston wants to take advantage of a competitive window that will extend through at least 2018, after which left-hander Dallas Keuchel will be eligible for free agency. And they want to address not just holes on their roster, but also a void of leadership in their clubhouse, sources said.
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Encarnacion, who will play next season at 34, is not necessarily the right fit the Astros already are stacked with right-handed hitters, and analytically oriented teams generally do not like older free agents on long-term deals. Houston likely would want him only on a shorter deal say, three years with big annual salaries.

Beltran, who is turning 40, is a switch-hitter who would fulfill the Astros' need for a left-handed bat, and require fewer years at lower dollars. But the Red Sox and Rangers remain interested in him, sources say.

McCann, who is turning 33, is a left-handed hitter who could platoon with Evan Gattis, get additional at-bats as a DH and benefit from playing mostly indoors at a ballpark with inviting dimensions in right field.

Free agent Dexter Fowler, a switch-hitter turning 31, would be an excellent fit in center, and he played for the Astros in 2014. One source, however, said a reunion was "very unlikely." Another option for Houston would be to trade for a left-handed hitting center-fielder such as the White Sox's Adam Eaton or Yankees' Brett Gardner.
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Any team interested in [Brian] McCann would need to deal with A) his full no-trade clause and B) the remaining money on his contract $34 million over the next two seasons, plus a $15 million club option.

The Astros, as an American League team, hold an advantage; McCann no longer wants to catch 125 to 130 games, sources say. His body began hurting less after Gary Sanchez replaced him as the Yankees' primary catcher on Aug. 5, and he told the team's coaches in September that he felt as good physically as he usually does at the start of the season.
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McCann would not be certain to approve a trade to even the Astros; he enjoys playing for the Yankees. However, the Yanks could add a right-handed hitter who would DH against lefties, further reducing McCann's at-bats. The mere possibility of a diminished role could increase McCann's willingness to be traded.
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I'd love McCann, if for no other reason than to shut the door on a Castro reunion.
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From mlb.com article titled '5 Teams Expected to Bring Hot Stove Drama'

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Houston Astros

The Astros are the inverse of the Tigers.

For years, their payroll has been lower than their market size suggested it could be. Now the Astros are prepared to move it northward, from below $100 million in 2016 to the range of $140 million -- if not right away, then gradually over the next few seasons.

Cabrera would be the biggest splash, of course, but other viable options exist on the free-agent market, including Encarnacion, Ian Desmond and former Astros outfielder Carlos Beltran. (The New York Daily News has reported the Astros are pursuing Beltran.) Houston also has shown interest in acquiring catcher/designated hitter Brian McCann from the Yankees. One way or another, the Astros are certain to add an impact bat.

The need to acquire another proven starting pitcher exists, as well: Dallas Keuchel's ERA increased by more than two runs after winning the 2015 AL Cy Young Award, and Collin McHugh was Houston's only starter to surpass 170 innings last season.
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Ag_07 said:

From mlb.com article titled '5 Teams Expected to Bring Hot Stove Drama'

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Houston Astros

The Astros are the inverse of the Tigers.

For years, their payroll has been lower than their market size suggested it could be. Now the Astros are prepared to move it northward, from below $100 million in 2016 to the range of $140 million -- if not right away, then gradually over the next few seasons.

Cabrera would be the biggest splash, of course, but other viable options exist on the free-agent market, including Encarnacion, Ian Desmond and former Astros outfielder Carlos Beltran. (The New York Daily News has reported the Astros are pursuing Beltran.) Houston also has shown interest in acquiring catcher/designated hitter Brian McCann from the Yankees. One way or another, the Astros are certain to add an impact bat.

The need to acquire another proven starting pitcher exists, as well: Dallas Keuchel's ERA increased by more than two runs after winning the 2015 AL Cy Young Award, and Collin McHugh was Houston's only starter to surpass 170 innings last season.

WHEEEEEEEEEEE!
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If we could land Miggy by taking on a lot of his contract and only giving up minor league prospects then sign McCann I would think out offense would go from avg to the top tier. Because you also factor in a full year of Gurriel & Bregs without out losing much besides Valbuena.

This would be a pretty strong lineup.

1. Springer - 9
2. Bregman - 5
3. Altuve - 4
4. Cabrera - 3
5. Correra - 6
6. Gattis / McCann - 2
7. Gurriel - DH
8. Gonzales - 7
9. Hernandez - 8
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That's murderers Row
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My truly only legitimate fear is bringing in a contract like that at the expense of altuve, Springer etc down the road
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Sounds like Luhnow is going to get a big stick this off season!

Do not want Beltran. Do not want him at all. He can go **** himself.
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astros4545 said:

That's murderers Row

I wouldn't go that far, but salty indeed.


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My truly only legitimate fear is bringing in a contract like that at the expense of altuve, Springer etc down the road

Agreed. Only go get that big bat now if it means we're willing to pay big for Altuve, Correra, and maybe McCullers when the time comes.

Springer and possible Dallas may not be worth it. We will cross those bridges when they come.
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Switch Marwin with Aoki, that would be the offense.
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I really think the Astros front office is thinking of making a crusher lineup because the pitching free agents out there are atrocious, and they've said they don't want to give up many prospects this offseason. Most of the pitching trade targets would require a kings ransom of prospects (Sale, Quintana, etc)

Supe up the bullpen a little and add some major firepower to the lineup.
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And I agree with that. I don't think the pitching was atrocious this year. Was it good enough to carry the team? Absolutely not. But with another big bat and an upgrade over Castro, I think this lineup carries the team next year. Great pitching will be an added bonus.
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So where do we stand on LMJ?

I feel he's almost in the same boat as Springer in that he's a nice piece but I wouldn't let including him in a deal be the killer for the right piece.

When he's healthy he's a stud but GD if he's only pitching a 1/4 season at a time he's useless to us. They've got to make a real decision on if Lance is injury prone and how they see his health moving forward.

They've done an incredible job on this front in the past and think that if they indeed see him as a risk then they shouldn't be afraid to let him go for the right return.
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Ag_07 said:

So where do we stand on LMJ?

I feel he's almost in the same boat as Springer in that he's a nice piece but I wouldn't let including him in a deal be the killer for the right piece.

When he's healthy he's a stud but GD if he's only pitching a 1/4 season at a time he's useless to us. They've got to make a real decision on if Lance is injury prone and how they see his health moving forward.

They've done an incredible job on this front in the past and think that if they indeed see him as a risk then they shouldn't be afraid to let him go for the right return.


I trust this front office on evaluating pitcher health and future health 100%. They have the track record to back it up. If they think LMJ is worth hanging onto, I'm in.
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No doubt given their track record. I'm with you on that.

I just hope they've gone down that road and had those same discussions regarding Lance as they've had with others. Trusting that has happened and he just doesn't fall into the untouchable category based on his on field results.
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Long time no see playas.

Here are my thoughts/predictions:

I think a trade for McCann is probable. I don't think the stros can afford to pass up on him. With the need for a left handed bat as well as someone who can switch off with Gattis, McCann is just about a perfect fit.

With that trade, I think the front office will only make 1 other big acquisition. I'd absolutely love Fowler back. However, I think that's slim to none. After playing with one of the best/most fun teams, I don't see him considering coming back to something he knows won't compare. On a similar note, I don't see a McCutchen trade happening if the stros land McCann.

I don't expect the stros to make any big waves in terms of pitching simply due to lack of talent where it's needed, compared with the talent that the team currently has and what is arriving.

That leaves the issue of 1st base. While this is definitely an issue, I really don't know what to expect from the front office here. If there is a new 1st baseman for the organization next year, I believe it's probably Cabrera. However, with the combination of Singleton, Reed and White, I'm not sure that the front office will want to get a long term guy, in hopes that one of these guys can play first successfully for cheap.

Long story short, I believe McCann lands up in Houston (probably for a decent exchange), and I do believe that if Cabrera is willing to leave Detroit, he has a higher likelihood of going to the astros than any other team
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We have to get SOME type of SP. Right now IMO we have a bunch of JAGs

Keuchel was average at best last year
Mchugh is the definition of average
Fister isn't coming back, and he was by far our best pitcher for over 1/2 of the year. Nothin left in the tank.
McCullers can't stay healthy, and when he is healthy he struggles with control and doesn't go see into games
Musgrove gives me hope, but he's no stud
Fiers is not good

I'm definitely not comfortable rolling with what we have, regardless of our lineup...
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Ag_07 said:

So where do we stand on LMJ?

I feel he's almost in the same boat as Springer in that he's a nice piece but I wouldn't let including him in a deal be the killer for the right piece.

When he's healthy he's a stud but GD if he's only pitching a 1/4 season at a time he's useless to us. They've got to make a real decision on if Lance is injury prone and how they see his health moving forward.

They've done an incredible job on this front in the past and think that if they indeed see him as a risk then they shouldn't be afraid to let him go for the right return.


Springer at best if a borderline all star. He's a good defender and a plus bat but nothing great. He won't ever be the best hitter on a team and likely won't be a top 3 hitter on a real contender.

LMJ is still young and I think has the potential to be the ace of the team for several years in a row. I have his value well above Springer because the ceiling is so high. We know he has elite stuff. If he can stay healthy I think the sky is the limit.
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I could live with a Gattis/McCann C/DH combo, especially if they combine for 50+ home runs. We'd be reuniting the 2013 Atlanta teammates. If Gomez resigns with the Rangers, I'd definitely like to sign McCann. I know many considered McCann to be the d-bag in that confrontation, but that's the type of leader many want on this team. I also bet a lot of opinions have changed regarding that incident.

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Don't forget about Gurriel. I am not sure he'll be an everyday 3rd basemen when we have Bregman. He should be getting time at DH.
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iBrad said:

I could live with a Gattis/McCann C/DH combo, especially if they combine for 50+ home runs. We'd be reuniting the 2013 Atlanta teammates. If Gomez resigns with the Rangers, I'd definitely like to sign McCann. I know many considered McCann to be the d-bag in that confrontation, but that's the type of leader many want on this team. I also bet a lot of opinions have changed regarding that incident.


You're only expecting McCann to have 15 homers? Cause Gattis had 35 last year..... I do like that idea though.
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Gattis/McCann C combo is the best we can wish for. If McCann isn't in Houston, it'll be Gattis/Stassi. Stassi's max potential is the next Castro. Worse than Ausmus (defensively).

Gurriel can (occasionally?) play left. That means you're playing Springer in right, with Marisnick, Teoscar and Kemp to fill center and center and left (when Gurriel isn't playing out there). I think Kemp has solid potential, but he doesn't have the arm to play 8 (other than a fill in). Marisnick hasn't shown he can hit well enough to be a starter. Teoscar has been good, but he isn't a natural CF either. However, I definitely think CF is the least of our problems
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I think you'll see Springer in CF a lot next year. Aoki can play both corner OF spots, and our best offensive OF will be when Springer is in CF.
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Does anyone think Bregs transitions to LF this offseason?
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Gattis had 32 and McCann had 20, so 50+ seemed like a reasonable number. I think the potential is there for 60. McCann spreads the ball around the outfield pretty good, and would likely get some cheap oppo shots in the Crawford Boxes. The new center field would help both.
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I think we're in trouble if Springer is the best offensive outfielder we've got. He's too streaky and as soon as you start counting on or needing him is when he disappears.

He excels when he's just there rather than him being the guy.
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Ag_07 said:

I think we're in trouble if Springer is the best offensive outfielder we've got. He's too streaky and as soon as you start counting on or needing him is when he disappears.

He excels when he's just there rather than him being the guy.
He's never been the guy. Altuve always has. And we expect Correra to be better and possibly Bregman too. Gattis came on and was better for a good chunk. And if we go sign a big bat they'll be better too. So 5th or 6th best next year. Who cares if production comes from the middle infield or OF. Production is production.
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I meant if we're depending on him for all our OF production.

I think an OF bat needs to be on the top of Lunhow's list. Either tha or move Bregman into LF Need to get Marisnick out of the lineup ASAP.

An outfield of Springer, Aoki, Marisnick ain't gonna cut it. Hell I'm OK with resigning Rasmus if it means sliding George to CF and getting Jake out of the lineup.
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Ag_07 said:

I meant if we're depending on him for all our OF production.

I think an OF bat needs to be on the top of Lunhow's list. Either tha or move Bregman into LF Need to get Marisnick out of the lineup ASAP.

An outfield of Springer, Aoki, Marisnick ain't gonna cut it. Hell I'm OK with resigning Rasmus if it means sliding George to CF and getting Jake out of the lineup.


Gurriel and Bergman can both play LF.
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Ag_07 said:

I meant if we're depending on him for all our OF production.

I think an OF bat needs to be on the top of Lunhow's list. Either tha or move Bregman into LF Need to get Marisnick out of the lineup ASAP.

An outfield of Springer, Aoki, Marisnick ain't gonna cut it. Hell I'm OK with resigning Rasmus if it means sliding George to CF and getting Jake out of the lineup.
While it isn't really the norm, if we're getting good to great production from the infield and DH then it isn't the end of the world to have 2 below average hitting OFers. Show me a lineup that is stacked 1-9.
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Blue Jays signed Gurriel's younger brother, Lourdes. (Reportedly 7 years, $22M)

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J_R said:

Blue Jays signed Gurriel's younger brother, Lourdes. (Reportedly 7 years, $22M)


**** the Yankees. Rather eat the money than give up a ton of players for him.
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J_R said:

Blue Jays signed Gurriel's younger brother, Lourdes. (Reportedly 7 years, $22M)




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