Astros sign Charlie Morton to a 2 year deal. Hopefully this is just long relief/fifth starter.
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2 years, $14 million
Missed most of last year after tearing his hamstring.
Missed most of last year after tearing his hamstring.
I just never got the Beltran hate after 10 years and 2-3 teams later.
And I don't get why you guys wouldn't want to add a .295, 30 HR, 90 RBI bat to the lineup. Yeah he's a bit older, but numbers are just as good if not better than Cespedes and he's more likely to sign a shorter deal and not be on the books when the young core is due their money.
And I don't get why you guys wouldn't want to add a .295, 30 HR, 90 RBI bat to the lineup. Yeah he's a bit older, but numbers are just as good if not better than Cespedes and he's more likely to sign a shorter deal and not be on the books when the young core is due their money.
bigbass1170 said:
Astros sign Charlie Morton to a 2 year deal. Hopefully this is just long relief/fifth starter.
Jeff Lunhow special
Buster Olney reporting that the Astros are expected to "make a big splash" this offseason. Insider article on ESPN. Sorry no link.
I'll believe it when I see it.Gramercy Riffs said:
Buster Olney reporting that the Astros are expected to "make a big splash" this offseason. Insider article on ESPN. Sorry no link.
Quote:
The Yankees and Astros are "at an impasse" in trade talks over Brian McCann, though Houston can certainly turn elsewhere in its hunt for catching help and general offensive improvements. The 'Stros were in on Kendrys Morales before he agreed to a his deal with Toronto, per Rosenthal
McCann + Beltran = "big splash? 
That's what the article is about.
http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=14964
Paraphrased:
That's what the article is about.http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=14964
Paraphrased:
- Astros need to surround their young talent with veterans (perceived as desperately needing experienced players). Because of that, evaluators sense Houston will be among the most aggressive teams.
- Astros are looking for LH hitters to balance the lineup & guys who have a good clubhouse reputation.
- Houston is reportedly competing with the Yankees, Boston & Toronto for Beltran. Good hitter + no long term commitment + good with young players.
- Houston is also in talks for Brian McCann, who is also good with young players & can help a pitching staff.
- Imagine a lineup of: Springer | Bregman | Altuve | Correa | Beltran | McCann | Gurriel | Marisnick | Kemp
Marisnick or Kemp in the starting line-up. Meh.
Doesn't do it for me after all the big name trade/signings talk.Quote:
Beltran | McCann
I want no part of Brian McCannJ_R said:
McCann + Beltran = "big splash?
http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=14964
Paraphrased:
- Astros need to surround their young talent with veterans (perceived as desperately needing experienced players). Because of that, evaluators sense Houston will be among the most aggressive teams.
- Astros are looking for LH hitters to balance the lineup & guys who have a good clubhouse reputation.
- Houston is reportedly competing with the Yankees, Boston & Toronto for Beltran. Good hitter + no long term commitment + good with young players.
- Houston is also in talks for Brian McCann, who is also good with young players & can help a pitching staff.
- Imagine a lineup of: Springer | Bregman | Altuve | Correa | Beltran | McCann | Gurriel | Marisnick | Kemp
aggie1906 said:Doesn't do it for me after all the big name trade/signings talk.Quote:
Beltran | McCann
Not ideal but even that's a huge upgrade over Castro and DH Gattis/Rasmus/whoever the dart landed on to DH any given night.
Think if he gets Beltran, McCann, plus a trade for a top starter I'd be alright.
We have two options...Sign a top end FA like Cespedes and essentially kiss the young core goodbye (at least a couple of them) or sign some tier 2 FAs like Beltran that come off the books before the young guys are due. We'll see how they play it.
Indeed. He throws a sinker, has a ground ball rate of 58.2% and his spin rate on his curve is top 5 in all of baseball. He profiles as the type of pitcher that fits well with our propensity to shift.Ag_07 said:bigbass1170 said:
Astros sign Charlie Morton to a 2 year deal. Hopefully this is just long relief/fifth starter.
Jeff Lunhow special
On the surface, it's a very ho-hum signing, but if Morton can stay healthy, he could be a solid fourth or fifth starter in our rotation, depending on how things shake out.
Hopefully he's not the only starter we add, but the free agent market for starters sucks so bad, I don't have my hopes up.
Trade idea:
Astros get: Chris Sale and Jose Abreu
White Sox get: Bregman, AJ Reed, Cameron, Frances Martes and Kyle Tucker
Who says no?
Astros get: Chris Sale and Jose Abreu
White Sox get: Bregman, AJ Reed, Cameron, Frances Martes and Kyle Tucker
Who says no?
Stros say no first
Bregman is the deal breaker there.
I see Correa, Altuve, and Bregman as our untouchables. LMJ, Springer, and Reed would be tough to part with but for the right package I could be convinced.
Bregman is the deal breaker there.
I see Correa, Altuve, and Bregman as our untouchables. LMJ, Springer, and Reed would be tough to part with but for the right package I could be convinced.
iBrad said:Indeed. He throws a sinker, has a ground ball rate of 58.2% and his spin rate on his curve is top 5 in all of baseball. He profiles as the type of pitcher that fits well with our propensity to shift.Ag_07 said:bigbass1170 said:
Astros sign Charlie Morton to a 2 year deal. Hopefully this is just long relief/fifth starter.
Jeff Lunhow special
On the surface, it's a very ho-hum signing, but if Morton can stay healthy, he could be a solid fourth or fifth starter in our rotation, depending on how things shake out.
Hopefully he's not the only starter we add, but the free agent market for starters sucks so bad, I don't have my hopes up.
So Doug Fister v2.0
Ag_07 said:
Stros say no first
Bregman is the deal breaker there.
I see Correa, Altuve, and Bregman as our untouchables. LMJ, Springer, and Reed would be tough to part with but for the right package I could be convinced.
Signing someone like Cespedes does not mean kissing your young core goodbye. At all. But it does mean pushing all your chips in - you lose a lot of flexibility.Ag_07 said:aggie1906 said:Doesn't do it for me after all the big name trade/signings talk.Quote:
Beltran | McCann
Not ideal but even that's a huge upgrade over Castro and DH Gattis/Rasmus/whoever the dart landed on to DH any given night.
Think if he gets Beltran, McCann, plus a trade for a top starter I'd be alright.
We have two options...Sign a top end FA like Cespedes and essentially kiss the young core goodbye (at least a couple of them) or sign some tier 2 FAs like Beltran that come off the books before the young guys are due. We'll see how they play it.
Brian McCann and Beltran would represent the opposite end of that spectrum. Especially with what the greedy-ass Yanks seem to be asking for him.
First big splash eh?!
Nuke LaLoosh said:
First big splash eh?!
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/allow-me-to-sell-you-on-charlie-morton/
Good article on Morton. I know he only had 4 starts last year but the velocity increase from 2015 to 2016 is pretty encouraging.
Good article on Morton. I know he only had 4 starts last year but the velocity increase from 2015 to 2016 is pretty encouraging.
I'm not against Morton as a 5th starter, as long as we get another top level one.
aggie1906 said:
I'm one of those dumbass fans. Screw Beltran. I booed him when the yanks were in town this past year.
You ever changed jobs?
jja79 said:aggie1906 said:
I'm one of those dumbass fans. Screw Beltran. I booed him when the yanks were in town this past year.
You ever changed jobs?
Yup. Those *******s at GPC still hold grudges.
love it when people compare the corporate world
To professional or even college athletics
To professional or even college athletics
Charlie Morton doesn't move the needle much, but he's a good buy-low candidate. He could very likely be better than Fiers. Health is the #1 issue with him.
That's good... Because none of our pitchers ever get injured...irish pete ag06 said:
Charlie Morton doesn't move the needle much, but he's a good buy-low candidate. He could very likely be better than Fiers. Health is the #1 issue with him.
irish pete ag06 said:
Charlie Morton doesn't move the needle much, but he's a good buy-low candidate. He could very likely be better than Fiers. Health is the #1 issue with him.
FWIW...Any of us are very likely better than Fiers.
So we got another fiers/fister. Sweet.
I'd take a Fister that doesn't collapse down the stretch or a Fiers who doesn't have the occasional abysmal start and be quite satisfied. If Morton can give us 26-30 starts with an ERA around 3.9, he'll be a steal. I think he's going to benefit from our shifts more than most pitchers would. He just needs to stay healthy. Maybe skip his starts if they fall in an NL park. We don't need anymore torn hamstrings running bases.
Morton isn't likely to be a big difference-maker, though. The success of our staff depends on Keuchel and McCullers. I'm okay with McHugh, Fiers, Morton, and Musgrove battling it out for 3-5. I think the potential is there for a solid backend. Its 1-2 that needs to stay healthy and return to form. If they don't, we damn sure better improve the offense.
Morton isn't likely to be a big difference-maker, though. The success of our staff depends on Keuchel and McCullers. I'm okay with McHugh, Fiers, Morton, and Musgrove battling it out for 3-5. I think the potential is there for a solid backend. Its 1-2 that needs to stay healthy and return to form. If they don't, we damn sure better improve the offense.
At least he's not sitting 88 or 86 like Fiers and Fister.
So he went 3 years without throwing a cutter? Am I seeing that correctly
And he hasn't thrown a slider since 2010. But that isn't the point. It's to show an increased velocity.
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