***** Official 2017 Astros Off Season Thread *****

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Nuke LaLoosh said:

Prediction: we don't spend any real money, sign 2 back end starters and an outfielder, and Lungow hyped up their nonexistent potential and praises Crane for letting him up the payroll.
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I wonder if Roger would mull a comeback. I'd pay to go see that over Fiers.
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Fiers catches a lot of flack because he has trouble controlling his pitch count sometimes and does have the occasional clunker of a start. But consider this, in 19 of 30 starts, Fiers held opponents to three or fewer runs and averaged 6 innings pitched. We won 18 of his starts.

He hits arbitration this year, but will still be a very affordable fifth starter or a guy that can slide into long relief. There is no reason to get rid of him, unless he's included in a trade.

For comparison, here are our staff's starts with 3 or fewer earned runs and average innings pitched in those starts. The problem was at the top of the rotation (ineffectiveness and injury). We lack a true top two for most of the season.

McCullers: 12 of 14 (86%), 5.7 Innings
McHugh: 23 of 33 (70%), 6.2 Innings
Fister: 22 of 32 (69%), 6.0 Innings
Keuchel: 17 of 26 (65%), 6.8 Innings
Fiers: 19 of 30 (63%), 6.0 Innings
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McCullers, when healthy, is our #2. He isn't going to go pitch 8 innings very often, but will be rock solid through 6-7. Those Keuchel numbers are embarrassing and should be brought up during negotiations. Fister's numbers at the end hurt.

The problem with Fister's numbers are that before the trade deadline he was 16/20 (80%) under 3 runs in an average of just over 6 IP per outing. After the deadline he was 5/12 (%) in about 4.5 IP including five starts of at least 5 runs allowed. On Aug 6, his ERA was 3.47 over 135 innings (REALLY good for his price)... He then proceeded to allow 44 runs over his last 45 and a third innings to raise it to 4.64 on the year. He just absolutely cratered.
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We had a lot of adversity and the staff kept the team focused and driving toward the goal," Luhnow said. "We didn't accomplish our goal this year, which is to get back to the postseason and do some real damage in October, but I think our staff did a terrific job and I'm glad that they're all going to be back supporting us next year."

What adversity is he referring to? Or, who was the source of that adversity?

What Luhnow said there doesn't necessarily raise my expectations alot. I sure hope I am wrong.
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Gattis and McCullers starting on the DL and McCullers ending on it, too, the reigning CY Young struggling all season before going on the DL, Gomez sucking azz before being DFAd, Rasmus struggling from a cyst in his ear and going on the DL, Valbuena going on the DL when he was carrying the offense, Bregman going on the DL down the stretch when he was our hottest hitter, the power arm we traded for having ups and lots of downs, everyone struggling in the closers role...is that enough adversity?
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Okay. I can see your point. But, I think we define "adversity" differently.

I think your definition may include injuries, time on the DL, extended slumps, bad luck, etc. I see those events as more of the expected rather than the unexpected. Hardly any team ever goes through 162 games without some injuries. Hardly any "star" goes through a season without a slump of some extent.

I would define adversity as something more serious or catastrophic. Like what the Marlins are going through in the loss of a young, star pitcher (Fernandez). Or, maybe, a clubhouse turmoil or negative influence that would cause management to cut someone loose (sound familiar?).

It would be interesting to get into Luhnow's head to see what "adversity" he was referencing.
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I like the idea of Josh Reddick.
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MW13 said:

I like the idea of Josh Reddick.
If you are getting the Oakland Reddick? Sure. If you are getting the Los Angeles Reddick? Not at all - We have enough sub .700 OPS guys on this team for my liking.

If Cespedes is on the market, he is the guy you go after without a doubt. We are looking for a difference maker, not a JAG.
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For me it's Cespedes or bust for the OF.

Make a legit run at him (none of this kick the tires BS) and if he doesn't chose us then I think we move Bregman to LF, Gurriel to 3B, and Valbuena to 1B.

If Rasmus really does want to retire an Astro give him a cheap incentive laden deal to hang around and platoon or DH when needed.

Point being I don't want to make a deal just to make a deal and end up with another diamond in the rough Lunhow special. I want an AS quality player who makes this lineup scary. Otherwise, make do with what we have.
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And I'm certainly ok with that line of thinking as well.
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Innnotmgoing to pretend that I have watched as many Astros game as some of y'all, but number 1-3 priority is pitching. I agree that we need an OF and possibly 1B, but the pitching was not great down the stretch and needs to be addressed fully. Also, I am fine with letting Castro walk and finding a cheap replacement, provided he is a good D catcher. I will gladly take any ridicule, but these are my thoughts.
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If Dallas & Lance stay healthy (big if fit lance) our pitching looks worlds better down the stretch.
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aggie1906 said:

If Dallas & Lance stay healthy (big if fit lance) our pitching looks worlds better down the stretch.


True, I am questioning if Dallas will ever be close to what he was in 2014 much less 2015. I was speaking of our bullpen as well, I would address that as best as possible. They are on the hook with sipp for 2 or 3 more years, so they are stuck with him.
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Idk our pen was pretty strong.

I agreed about a lefty and a top end starter. If we can snag a near ace, have Lance as a co #1, Dallas as a work horse #3, McHugh at 4, and an open competition for the #5 with Fiers, the Dragon, Feliz, & whoever else I think it is realistic and good enough to compete.
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Starting pitcher
left handed relief pitcher
Power hitting outfielder

I'm real excited about all the young pitchers we have, but I'm not against trading a couple for a proven arm.


Need to work on Gurriels conditioning. Tough to make it at the major league level when you have to sit out every 3rd day.
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The BP is fine. It was overworked once our starters went to **** and decided to only pitch 4 innings every outing. They were one of the best in the league and actually historically good up until then.

I'd say we need a another lefty out of the pen but with Sipp's contract he's it. He gets one more year to pull his out of his ass. If he can't get it done next year he's despensable but not now.

We need a #2 quality starter to be out #3 pitcher behind LMJ and Dallas and well be fine as far as pitching goes. Some of the young guys (Devo, Feliz, musgrove) can battle the 5th spot.
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Start blowing up the Cespides hotline.
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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/10/06/astros-do-not-condone-players-sexist-tweet-against-espns-jessica-mendoza.html

Guess we're past the part of people having opinions. I've said the same thing many times. Mendoza is by far the worst commentator I've ever listened to. I had to stop watching the game last night because she was so bad. To be fair, he probably could have said it better. But the overall message is right. She's terrible and un-listenable.
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He represents the organization. That makes the tweet inappropriate. I don't see anything wrong here.
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He threw out the "sorry, not sorry" at the end.
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I don't really want to get into a political discussion here. My point is that Jessica Mendoza is awful, and, I don't think it's sexist to have that opinion.
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Duck Patrol said:

I don't really want to get into a political discussion here. My point is that Jessica Mendoza is awful, and, I don't think it's sexist to have that opinion.
But his tweet started out with "Ladies should stay out of baseball"

If he had simply said Jessica Mendoza is awful, it might not have been as bad.

The first part of his tweet is what shows his true colors.
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If he'd just said he didn't Mendoza was very good, that'd be one thing. He said he didn't want to hear a woman in the booth, and that's where it got unabashedly sexist.

Edit: Or like what Rogue said.
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Few tidbits from MLBTR

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MLB commissioner Rob Manfred says that the league is nearing the end of its investigation into the improper accessing of the Astros' computer systems by at least one Cardinals employee, as the Associated Press reports (via USA Today).

"We are in the process of finishing up our investigation," said Manfred. "I wish it had gotten a little more help a little sooner from the U.S. attorney's office. But the cards come up how they come up, and we're going to finish our investigation, and there will be a resolution of that during this offseason."

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Entering the offseason, among the organization's areas to improve are outfield, first base, and catcher, Luhnow said and Jordan Ray of MLB.com tweets. That's a fairly extensive list, though certainly there are a variety of internal options already on hand as well as plenty of open-market (if not also trade) possibilities. While the Astros' pen performed well overall, "one glaring area is from the left side," says Luhnow, via Mark Berman of FOX 26 (on Twitter), so that would appear to be another spot that could receive attention.

Given the above comments about the starting staff, it too could receive some consideration. Among several wild cards in the team's plans, perhaps, is 25-year-old righty Chris Devenski. He excelled over 108 1/3 innings, with a 2.16 ERA and 8.6 K/9 against 1.7 BB/9, though he only made five starts in his debut campaign. The "dream" is for Devenski to stick in the rotation, Luhnow said and Berman tweets.

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The stated need for improvement in the outfield is a reflection, in part, on the already-known fact that Colby Rasmus is headed to the open market. He'll do so after a disappointing campaign in which he compiled a .206/.286/.355 batting line over 417 plate appearances. Health certainly played a factor, but the 30-year-old simply "did not have the year that he was hoping to have," says Luhnow, who adds that Rasmus "still has value to major league teams" and will no doubt find an opportunity somewhere. (Via another tweet from Berman.) But the next shot may well come with another team; the GM says that he is "not sure how, or if, [Rasmus] fits into our plans at this point."

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Finally, Luhnow suggested that the team was pleased with the performance of skipper A.J. Hinch and his field staff. Hinch and his coaches will all return for 2017, as Verdejotweets.
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R0GUE said:

Duck Patrol said:

I don't really want to get into a political discussion here. My point is that Jessica Mendoza is awful, and, I don't think it's sexist to have that opinion.
But his tweet started out with "Ladies should stay out of baseball"

If he had simply said Jessica Mendoza is awful, it might not have been as bad.

The first part of his tweet is what shows his true colors.


I agree.
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His whole family is a piece of work
iBrad
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Damn t-sip. Bet he learned his sexist ways in Austin.
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No real huge insights here other than most of us think the SP need is much greater than Luhnow does. Obvious positions are CF and 1B that need help. Anyone can see that.
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I would say a power bat, regardless if it comes from 1B or OF. Someone with a legitimate chance of hitting 40 bombs. I think you've got to throw the book at Cespedis. IMO he's really the missing link to this lineup. I doubt Crane spends that much though.

SP is serviceable. As much as we ***** about Fiers and Fister, they're about what you can expect from the back end of the rotation. McCullers getting hurt really hurt them. And Keuchel had a TERRIBLE year. And then you've got Devo who was fantastic. SP is probably 5th.

Priority:
Power bat OF/1B
OF/1B
C
LHP
SP
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If you want to win a WS, you need to have faith Keuchel returns to form, Devo keeps it up for an entire season, and McCullers limits injuries. Otherwise, you better address SP, I'd even say its third before catcher.
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Duck Patrol said:

I would say a power bat, regardless if it comes from 1B or OF. Someone with a legitimate chance of hitting 40 bombs. I think you've got to throw the book at Cespedis. IMO he's really the missing link to this lineup. I doubt Crane spends that much though.

SP is serviceable. As much as we ***** about Fiers and Fister, they're about what you can expect from the back end of the rotation. McCullers getting hurt really hurt them. And Keuchel had a TERRIBLE year. And then you've got Devo who was fantastic. SP is probably 5th.

Priority:
Power bat OF/1B
OF/1B
C
LHP
SP
You really think we need another power bat? Granted I would take it, but between Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Gattis, Valbuena, and Rasmus, I think we've got all the "pop" we need. If there's one there for the taking it's a no brainer, but not if it in any way impedes your SP signing ability.
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Problem is, we shouldn't be "signing" a SP... There's isn't one out there. We should be trading for one, which really shouldn't impact too much unless Crane goes super cheap-skate.

Also, no Rasmus next year and maybe not Valtron.
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Are those buttclowns really booing Hamels??
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Duck Patrol said:

Are those buttclowns really booing Hamels??
I'm not watching. Rangers fans booing their own pitcher?
 
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