England v Slovenia saw less xG created than any Premier League game last season (0.80).
— The xG Philosophy (@xGPhilosophy) June 25, 2024
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I feel like England's starting XI was more a pick of who the best 11 players were not do those players complement each other.
Foden/Saka: both don't strike me as pairing up with a big, slow center forward who wants to link up in the middle. They both want space.
Bellingham/Rice/Gallagher: Starting 3 "8"s is an odd choice. Honestly I think starting both Rice & Bellingham is a bit of a waste. Adding in another central midfielder who isn't really known for great passing or space making and the problem is clear. This trio might be good at carrying the ball to the final 3rd but they aren't going to know what to do when they get there.
Back line. Eh. Trippier & Walker are 34 & 33 years old. If they do press forward they are going to eat into the space that Foden & Saka want for themselves.
I don't see how Grealish was left at home but a guy like Jarrod Bowen makes the team. Sure Bowen scored goals but that was more in a counter attacking setup, something England won't really be in.
Foden/Saka: both don't strike me as pairing up with a big, slow center forward who wants to link up in the middle. They both want space.
Bellingham/Rice/Gallagher: Starting 3 "8"s is an odd choice. Honestly I think starting both Rice & Bellingham is a bit of a waste. Adding in another central midfielder who isn't really known for great passing or space making and the problem is clear. This trio might be good at carrying the ball to the final 3rd but they aren't going to know what to do when they get there.
Back line. Eh. Trippier & Walker are 34 & 33 years old. If they do press forward they are going to eat into the space that Foden & Saka want for themselves.
I don't see how Grealish was left at home but a guy like Jarrod Bowen makes the team. Sure Bowen scored goals but that was more in a counter attacking setup, something England won't really be in.
Showstopper said:England v Slovenia saw less xG created than any Premier League game last season (0.80).
— The xG Philosophy (@xGPhilosophy) June 25, 2024
I find it hard to believe that they actually got it that high.
I was looking through the shots on one site, and most of the xG from England was from a shot just before half where Gallagher tried to feed Kane right at the goal but was just a little bit ahead of him. If the pass connects, it would be a goal, but it didn't so it wasn't.
My biggest problem with Kane is that he doesn't really provide much besides being a target man. He doesn't press effectively, nor does he offer any real movement when in possession. He basically jogs in tiny circles between the two CBs.
In general, his abilities don't match the talent composition of the rest of the team. England has really good wide forwards and central attacking midfielders that can fluidly exchange positions. In my opinion they should play Cole Palmer or Ollie Watkins as a false 9 so they can take advantage of their strengths and become less predictable.
In general, his abilities don't match the talent composition of the rest of the team. England has really good wide forwards and central attacking midfielders that can fluidly exchange positions. In my opinion they should play Cole Palmer or Ollie Watkins as a false 9 so they can take advantage of their strengths and become less predictable.
Kane is the best striker in the world and scored 40 something goals this year. If you can't build a team around him and Bellingham and score goals then you're doing something wrong. Southgate is the problem imo.
This is tricky, yes and no. Yes Kane is a great striker, but i don't think a team with Kane as a striker will be the best team. Kane went to Bayern and Bayern failed to win the bundesliga.Hey...so.. um said:
Kane is the best striker in the world and scored 40 something goals this year. If you can't build a team around him and Bellingham and score goals then you're doing something wrong. Southgate is the problem imo.
Southgate is a problem but Kane is not a Messi who you build a team around.
If I were southgate i'd say: I need Bellingham, Saka & Foden out there. Put Mainoo as the 6, Watkins or Palmer as the 9 and then maybe Gordon as a winger to slot Foden more to the middle.
Southgate can say that. And do that. He's the manager.
He won't because that isn't who Southgate is as a manager. He's been coaching defensive soccer the whole time.
He won't because that isn't who Southgate is as a manager. He's been coaching defensive soccer the whole time.
Hey...so.. um said:
Kane is the best striker in the world
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Not arguing about that. Just saying Kane isn't a Messi level guy you build a team around. I see the other 3 as a better core group to build the team/style around.
Southgate is actually the problem. He is falling into the same trap as every English manager and picking players based on reputation and not chemistry.
I guarantee you he is sitting in a hotel room right now confused as to why his team can't score when they have the best striker in the world.
I guarantee you he is sitting in a hotel room right now confused as to why his team can't score when they have the best striker in the world.
The old "11 best" instead of the "best 11" argument shouldn't really matter all that much in terms of scoring a goal or two and beating Slovenia when looking at the quality of players across those two entire 26 man squads, IMO.
England Kane looks very different than Bayern Kane.
Bayern Kane moved around a lot more. Bayern Kane did a high press (in Germany it's dang-near a requirement).
England Kane looks lost… or perhaps he's right in line with the rest of the team. They all seem like they just want to stay safe and protect their bodies for their high-paying club jobs.
Bayern Kane moved around a lot more. Bayern Kane did a high press (in Germany it's dang-near a requirement).
England Kane looks lost… or perhaps he's right in line with the rest of the team. They all seem like they just want to stay safe and protect their bodies for their high-paying club jobs.
UEFA have officially confirmed that Denmark finished ahead of Slovenia in Group C because of a yellow card shown to Slovenia assistant coach Milivoje Novaković.
— Sam Dean (@SamJDean) June 26, 2024
Denmark and Slovenia finished level on points, goal difference, goals scored and yellow cards shown to players.
Wow. Brutal. Does that coach still have a job?
deadbq03 said:
England Kane looks very different than Bayern Kane.
Bayern Kane moved around a lot more. Bayern Kane did a high press (in Germany it's dang-near a requirement).
England Kane looks lost… or perhaps he's right in line with the rest of the team. They all seem like they just want to stay safe and protect their bodies for their high-paying club jobs.
He was quoted as saying the players didn't really know what they were supposed to do so I guess that checks out. No clear direction for how to score goals.
Those Belgium kits...sky blue tops and brown shorts, gross.
oragator said:UEFA have officially confirmed that Denmark finished ahead of Slovenia in Group C because of a yellow card shown to Slovenia assistant coach Milivoje Novaković.
— Sam Dean (@SamJDean) June 26, 2024
Denmark and Slovenia finished level on points, goal difference, goals scored and yellow cards shown to players.
This may be the first time that cards being shown to coaches actually had a real consequence.
Aside from the Dutch-Austria match, this 3rd round has been really terrible
The announcer in the Slovakia game said "soggy pitch" and with her accent I thought she said, "soggy *****"
So Ukraine is out with 4 points even though half of the 3rd placed teams that advance will have 3. That's rough.
So Ukraine finishes with 4 group points, but cant advance because they are fourth in the group due to tiebreaks. That stinks!
Romania wins their group and will either play the Netherlands or Slovenia. They are in the same Rof16 bracket as Austria who will play the Group F runner-up which is likely to be either Czech Republic or Turkey.
That means one of the aforementioned teams will be in the semifinals.
That means one of the aforementioned teams will be in the semifinals.
France vs. Belgium on Monday. The battle of two teams who should be a lot better than how they are playing.
Likely will be Spain vs. Germany in the QFs which means one of those teams above will definitely be in semis and one of Spain and Germany definitely won't be. This draw is all kinds of lop-sided.
Likely will be Spain vs. Germany in the QFs which means one of those teams above will definitely be in semis and one of Spain and Germany definitely won't be. This draw is all kinds of lop-sided.
Has what happened in Group E ever happened in a major tournament before (Euros, World Cup, Copa America) where all 4 group stage teams finished level on points?
-FTA c/o 2013
I need Portugal and Turkey to win to send the Dutch to England.
England-Dutch and France-Belgium would automatically take 2 underachievers out of the competition.
England-Dutch and France-Belgium would automatically take 2 underachievers out of the competition.
I'd like to think that it has, but it's pretty amazing even if so.
Also it's incredible to think that we were a Serbian goal on England away from having Group C level on pts, GD, and goals scored.
If's and but's of course, but it's fun to think about.
Also it's incredible to think that we were a Serbian goal on England away from having Group C level on pts, GD, and goals scored.
If's and but's of course, but it's fun to think about.
GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!
Georgia!
So if my calculations are correct...
If Czech Republic wins, they are in. If they win by 3 goals or more then Turkey is definitely out even if Georgia doesn't win. If Czech Republic win by any score and Georgia wins, Turkey is out. If Czech Republic doesn't win, they are out. If Georgia doesn't win, they are out. If they win by any amount, they are in.
Let's see if all of that is actually correct.
If Czech Republic wins, they are in. If they win by 3 goals or more then Turkey is definitely out even if Georgia doesn't win. If Czech Republic win by any score and Georgia wins, Turkey is out. If Czech Republic doesn't win, they are out. If Georgia doesn't win, they are out. If they win by any amount, they are in.
Let's see if all of that is actually correct.
TXAggie2011 said:
Wow. Brutal. Does that coach still have a job?
He should be celebrated, they avoid Germany now
Barak picks up two yellow cards in the first 19 minutes and Czech Republic play the rest of the game down a man and needing a win. That's a big yikes.
And they were both pretty clear yellow cards, dummyDre_00 said:
Barak picks up two yellow cards in the first 19 minutes and Czech Republic play the rest of the game down a man and needing a win. That's a big yikes.
I wish I had enough money for Ronaldo's "supplements."
It's absolutely insane that he's starting this game.
It's absolutely insane that he's starting this game.
wangus12 said:
GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!
Go dawgs
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