177 people did not kill 9 people.
That would be terrible efficiency.
That would be terrible efficiency.
quote:This was the post it was in response to:quote:And absolutely no one in this thread has argued that the criminals responsible for the murder shouldn't be prosecuted and made to answer for their crime.quote:Strawman? 9 people died.quote:Seriously? Is there no limit to the straw-men you'll throw up? It's really hard to take you seriously when you continue to do this.quote:
Murder can't be allowed to stand.
It is a strawman because absolutlely no one has argued that "murder should be allowed to stand".
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To be fair, dead people don't really care much about justice, and aren't worried about much.
Those still living under a tyrannical government that declares probable cause before searching for evidence DO have something to worry about.
The branches of government need to be pared and separated.
quote:Yet for some reason, Waco/McLennan decided not to file for civil forfeiture for all 177 people they arrested. If they had probable cause to arrest them, surely they had the evidence to meet the lower burden of a preponderance of evidence in the civil forfeiture proceeding.
They weren't charged with fighting, they were charged with participating in organized crime. "I support the Bandidos", funneling dirty money, setting an agenda to discuss territory, inviting another gang to get ambushed, etc.. All those thing are participating in organized crime whether one pulled a trigger or not.
quote:What's the need?
At this point, it looks like this thread needs to be locked.
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Yet for some reason, Waco/McLennan decided not to file for civil forfeiture for all 177 people they arrested. If they had probable cause to arrest them, surely they had the evidence to meet the lower burden of a preponderance of evidence in the civil forfeiture proceeding.
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Yet for some reason, Waco/McLennan decided not to file for civil forfeiture for all 177 people they arrested. If they had probable cause to arrest them, surely they had the evidence to meet the lower burden of a preponderance of evidence in the civil forfeiture proceeding.
Forfeiture requires that the vehicle or whatever be used in the commission of the crime. I doubt that is possible with every person arrested.
quote:Actually, if they used their vehicles to go to a place where they had conspired to commit assault or murder and that vehicle carried a weapon, then they could make the case. And there were 2-3x more knives and guns than people there.
What they are charged with doesn't mean their vehicles were all used in the commission of the crime.
quote:Time will tell. I will say that I have been in the hill country riding solo and pulled in to a gas station and filled up. Went inside to cool off and get a soda and before I was able to leave, over 100 bikes pulled in. Were they average bikers? Violent gangs? As I went back out to ride off, I took a bunch of **** from several of them. Seems they were of the general opinion that I was too big of a guy to be riding such a small bike, and they thought wearing full leathers in that heat was stupid.
quote:Cannot blue star this enough!
The bottom line is that we all have our opinions and a little mutual respect among Aggies would be welcome.
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The city of Waco is seeking to quash a subpoena issued to the former Waco Twin Peaks franchise holder for video of the May 17 shootout that left nine bikers dead and 20 wounded.Dallas attorney Clint Broden, who represents Matthew Alan Clendennen, a member of the Scimitars Motorcycle Club, obtained a subpoena after speaking with Patrick Keating, a Dallas attorney who represents the Twin Peaks franchisee.
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"On its face, the subpoena at issue exceeds the scope of any legitimate purpose and is an obvious attempt to conduct pretrial discovery. Therefore, it should be quashed," the motion says.
quote:I've never heard such an argument. Of course, defense lawyers conduct pre-trial discovery! It is our duty!
"It is important to note that this video is the sole property of the Waco Twin Peaks franchisee and does not belong to the city of Waco, the Waco police nor McLennan County," Broden said.
quote:Yes. That is why this argument makes no sense. And, the State is required to give the defense all evidence in its possession.
So the city of Waco is trying to prevent the defense from doing it's duty?
Aren't defense attorneys legally obligated to do pre trial discovery? Not just refute the city or states case?
quote:quote:Yes. That is why this argument makes no sense. And, the State is required to give the defense all evidence in its possession.
So the city of Waco is trying to prevent the defense from doing it's duty?
Aren't defense attorneys legally obligated to do pre trial discovery? Not just refute the city or states case?
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If they had probable cause to arrest them, surely they had the evidence to meet the lower burden of a preponderance of evidence in the civil
forfeiture proceeding.
quote:Or ... Waco PD know what it's doing ....
Sounds like the city of Waco has opened yet another federal lawsuit against itself for trying to withhold evidence from the defense.
This makes me think even those guilty will end up walking free due to te dumbass actions of over zealous police and prosecutors/JPs.
quote:quote:Yet for some reason, Waco/McLennan decided not to file for civil forfeiture for all 177 people they arrested. If they had probable cause to arrest them, surely they had the evidence to meet the lower burden of a preponderance of evidence in the civil forfeiture proceeding.
They weren't charged with fighting, they were charged with participating in organized crime. "I support the Bandidos", funneling dirty money, setting an agenda to discuss territory, inviting another gang to get ambushed, etc.. All those thing are participating in organized crime whether one pulled a trigger or not.