So since we keep hearing fear of ass beating as motivation for joining the COC and getting one's colors approved by real bad guys, in your estimate, what % of the motivation to join is driven by fear vs. what % is driven by the fact these engineers, etc. like the enhanced cool factor of associating with clubs that do have a bad element?
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Authorized by whom?
So you have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know.....
quote:I'd say both %'s are dwarfed by the % of those who do it "just because that is the way it's done".
So since we keep hearing fear of ass beating as motivation for joining the COC and getting one's colors approved by real bad guys, in your estimate, what % of the motivation to join is driven by fear vs. what % is driven by the fact these engineers, etc. like the enhanced cool factor of associating with clubs that do have a bad element?
quote:Think that was actually a rhetorical question meant to make a point about the ludicrous need to have a patch "approved" by the criminal fringe leadership of a motorcycle council.
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Authorized by whom?
So you have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know.....
quote:I admit that a large number liked the enhanced cool factor, and were soon openly wearing SYLB (Support your local Bandidos) shirts and support patches. I wasn't there for a vote, so have no idea what the percentage was.
So since we keep hearing fear of ass beating as motivation for joining the COC and getting one's colors approved by real bad guys, in your estimate, what % of the motivation to join is driven by fear vs. what % is driven by the fact these engineers, etc. like the enhanced cool factor of associating with clubs that do have a bad element?
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quote:quote:so you didn't wear a leather jacket with an unauthorized MC patch on the back?quote:I haven't had any issues while riding my motorcycle. Maybe it's because I don't play dress-up. Wasn't all that tough of a decision, either.
If the new club doesn't want to associate with the COC and wants to risk getting killed or beaten then they can go for it.
My suspicion is that most riders do not care enough to take a beating over a patch on their jacket. You can post all you want on the internet about disassociating because you are not exposing yourself to a beating. The tough part is making that decision in the real world.
I like my skin, so I wear this:
thanks - the "decision" I was referring to was wearing a leather jacket with unauthorized patches. You obviously did not make the tough decision - you made the smart decision to wear clothing that can actually save your skin in a crash. Kudos for you.
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Authorized by whom?
So you have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know.....
quote:Today I learned nearly every business and restaurant in Manhattan in the 70s were part of the mafia.quote:Yep.quote:Think that was actually a rhetorical question meant to make a point about the ludicrous need to have a patch "approved" by the criminal fringe leadership of a motorcycle council.
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Authorized by whom?
So you have no frame of reference here. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know.....
Hard to say you are not associated with the criminal element when you must seek their approval for your activity.
quote:Deserves to be in jail just for the facial hair.
'Borrowed' from Politics:
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Retired SAPD detective and 'Bandito' busted in Waco Busted
I think the best thing about threads like this one is the amount of talking out ones ass we get with a tad of information sprinkled in. Great reading.
Guys FB page is as entertaining as the thread.
What Sassapis said.
Sassapis is in my top 5 TexAgs posters
quote:In same story:
As of late Wednesday afternoon, investigators had recovered 188 handguns, an AK-47 rifle and 157 knives, he said. even so far as to attempt to flush a handgun down a commode,"
guns don't flush well
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One of the members of a motorcycle gang arrested in connection with the gun battle Sunday outside of Waco's Twin Peaks restaurant was in the
process of posting $1 million bond Wednesday at the McLennan County
Jail. Jeff Battey, 50, was among the 170 bikers arrested after the shootout Sunday that left nine bikers dead and 18 injured.
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However, when you must seek approval from the criminal element for your insignia, existence or other apparel, that is association with the criminal element.
What is the difference between the mob and the Bandidos?
Don Vito says Tony's Italian Restaurant has to pay $1000/mo or he beats the crap out of Tony until he pays.
Presidente Bandido says Texags Motorcycle Club has to have their maroon & white logo approved by El Jefe and pay $500/year to the CofC or he beats the crap out of everyone in the Texags MC.
Both are extorting money and power. That's it. And since the Texags MC is full of people that still want to see their family and eat solid food from time to time, it is easier to cough up a few bucks and let El Jefe say their logo doesn't look too similar to anyone else's logo than to hope El Jefe doesn't find you on a ride and beat the **** out of you.
Blame the cops for letting organized crime run rampant.
The difference is choice.
Don Vito is threatening Tony's business and way of life. Tony can't just pack up his restaurant and go somewhere else. He is stuck in that situation..
Texags MC club is a hobby. They voluntarily choose to associate with a criminal biker gang by paying them dues. They don't have to wear a patch.
Don Vito is threatening Tony's business and way of life. Tony can't just pack up his restaurant and go somewhere else. He is stuck in that situation..
Texags MC club is a hobby. They voluntarily choose to associate with a criminal biker gang by paying them dues. They don't have to wear a patch.
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The difference is choice.
Don Vito is threatening Tony's business and way of life. Tony can't just pack up his restaurant and go somewhere else. He is stuck in that situation..
Texags MC club is a hobby. They voluntarily choose to associate with a criminal biker gang by paying them dues. They don't have to wear a patch.
As a small business owner, I am fairly certain that I can choose to open or operate my business where ever I choose. This being America and all.
quote:Texags vests and patches... hmmm, as long as we have the Texas rocker, I'm in. If the Bandidos get uppity about it we'll just sick the Old Rivalries board on them.
Texags MC club is a hobby. They voluntarily choose to associate with a criminal biker gang by paying them dues. They don't have to wear a patch.
Texags MC would need a Doss bottom rocker
quote:Leather jackets and patches didn't originate with the Hells Angels and Bandidos in the 60s. People were wearing that sort of thing to ride long before these groups became organized crime gangs.quote:quote:
However, when you must seek approval from the criminal element for your insignia, existence or other apparel, that is association with the criminal element.
What is the difference between the mob and the Bandidos?
Don Vito says Tony's Italian Restaurant has to pay $1000/mo or he beats the crap out of Tony until he pays.
Presidente Bandido says Texags Motorcycle Club has to have their maroon & white logo approved by El Jefe and pay $500/year to the CofC or he beats the crap out of everyone in the Texags MC.
Both are extorting money and power. That's it. And since the Texags MC is full of people that still want to see their family and eat solid food from time to time, it is easier to cough up a few bucks and let El Jefe say their logo doesn't look too similar to anyone else's logo than to hope El Jefe doesn't find you on a ride and beat the **** out of you.
Blame the cops for letting organized crime run rampant.
You can eyeroll all you want. The difference is Tony is not choosing to emulate gangs that have been known for decades for criminal behavior. The TexAgs MC and all the other "nice clubs" are choosing to do that. To say they are not is plain insulting to anyone with one eye and a brain.
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As a small business owner, I am fairly certain that I can choose to open or operate my business where ever I choose. This being America and all.
I don't disagree. I assumed that you meant that don Vito moved in and started extorting money from an established business. If that is the case, then tony might find it extremely difficult to uproot his family, close his restaurant, build another and try to establish a new clientelle outside of the mob's reach.
Slight difference between "just packing up and moving" something like a restaurant or store and choosing to wear or not wear a patch on your jacket while you voluntarily ride your motorcycle on the weekends with your buddy.
Not much, but enough to render the comparison absolutely and completely invalid.
Not much, but enough to render the comparison absolutely and completely invalid.
In both cases, it is caving to extortion of organized crime because it is the path of least resistance so that you and your family don't get hurt/killed. In neither case does it mean you are endorsing those that are extorting you.
318 confirmed weapons taken at crime scene including ak-47
quote:quote:The Houston Astro's star logo didn't originate with the gangs either. But if you go tattoo it on your neck today you are doing it to emulate a criminal element.quote:Leather jackets and patches didn't originate with the Hells Angels and Bandidos in the 60s. People were wearing that sort of thing to ride long before these groups became organized crime gangs.quote:quote:
However, when you must seek approval from the criminal element for your insignia, existence or other apparel, that is association with the criminal element.
What is the difference between the mob and the Bandidos?
Don Vito says Tony's Italian Restaurant has to pay $1000/mo or he beats the crap out of Tony until he pays.
Presidente Bandido says Texags Motorcycle Club has to have their maroon & white logo approved by El Jefe and pay $500/year to the CofC or he beats the crap out of everyone in the Texags MC.
Both are extorting money and power. That's it. And since the Texags MC is full of people that still want to see their family and eat solid food from time to time, it is easier to cough up a few bucks and let El Jefe say their logo doesn't look too similar to anyone else's logo than to hope El Jefe doesn't find you on a ride and beat the **** out of you.
Blame the cops for letting organized crime run rampant.
You can eyeroll all you want. The difference is Tony is not choosing to emulate gangs that have been known for decades for criminal behavior. The TexAgs MC and all the other "nice clubs" are choosing to do that. To say they are not is plain insulting to anyone with one eye and a brain.
Are there not motorcycle groups that don't wear cuts, patches and rockers?
I don't know what every motorcycle group does and doesn't do. But even groups as benign as the Harley Owners Group have a big logo People wear on theiR back.
quote:Doss Regulator might have something to say about that.
Texags MC would need a Doss bottom rocker
GS, it's great you're taking up the banner of the MCs.
So what if someone, completely ignorant of these made up, arbitrary, and non-legally binding rules, made their own jacket and put a Texas flag bottom "rocker" on it and some other benign to everyone but these jerkoffs symbol on it... It's that persons fault that these type of people may attack them for no other reason than what they are wearing?
So what if someone, completely ignorant of these made up, arbitrary, and non-legally binding rules, made their own jacket and put a Texas flag bottom "rocker" on it and some other benign to everyone but these jerkoffs symbol on it... It's that persons fault that these type of people may attack them for no other reason than what they are wearing?
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