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It sure as hell makes a lot more sense than comparing a bike club where you play grabass and your cute little matching patches to being an Aggie.
I know a few dudes of this ilk, they must really compartmentalize this nonsense. They all have wives, jobs, and mortgages. Even the Bandido club officer is a dude I wouldn't hesitate to have a beer with. I would be surprised to see their names involved,but I guess you just never know.
I don't understand the mentality. I have some uninformed psychological opinions, but, nah, just don't get it.
I don't understand the mentality. I have some uninformed psychological opinions, but, nah, just don't get it.
My fav so far is the engineer for the city of austin that is sitting in the clink
That 100k city job just wasnt enough
That 100k city job just wasnt enough
quote:For most clubs, wives, jobs and mortgages are not incompatible with club life. Most clubs put the priority as "family, job, club". There is nothing to compartmentalize.
I know a few dudes of this ilk, they must really compartmentalize this nonsense. They all have wives, jobs, and mortgages. Even the Bandido club officer is a dude I wouldn't hesitate to have a beer with. I would be surprised to see their names involved,but I guess you just never know.
I don't understand the mentality. I have some uninformed psychological opinions, but, nah, just don't get it.
When most people here motorcycle club, they picture SOA, Gangland, The Wild Ones, the Laughlin River shooting, etc. The MC community is so much more than that, that you never really see. Its the 150K plus bikers that ride to the Vietnam Wall every Memorial Day weekend to pay tribute to fallen service members. Its the Leathernecks MC helping with Toys for Tots. Its the PGR and the various veteran's clubs escorting fallen warriors to their final rest and shielding their families from protesters. Its the Texas Honor Ride, which has raised close to $150k a year for wounded warrior support activities at Fort Sam. Its all the mom and pop clubs holding dozens of fundraisers every weekend for various charities and causes. On a more personal level, its people who have fun together, share a hobby (or more than one), and treat the other members of their club as an extended family.
In the Houston area alone are more than 250 recognized MC's, RC's, MA's and MM's. There are black clubs, white clubs, Asian clubs, and clubs that don't give a **** what color you are. There are all male clubs, all female clubs, and coed clubs. There are clubs for street bike riders, clubs for HD riders, clubs for Honda riders, etc. There are clubs for veterans, clubs for cops, clubs for firefighters, clubs for marines...even clubs for postal workers. Out of all of those clubs, probably less than a dozen wear the 1% diamond.
quote:+1 on the 4020 club. Raked a lot of hay on that bad boy. Where y'all wanna meet?quote:quote:I call BS. Big and powerful, yes. The rest, not so much. That's the Cadillac of tractors. Should have posted a picture of a 4020........lol...just messing with you.quote:
But if I want to spend hours on a big, loud, powerful machine that rattles my bones with every bump, takes me outdoors, vibrates the seat so violently that it takes hours to unwind when I get home, puts me out in the weather, etc. etc. etc.....I don't need to buy an extra vehicle or leave work.....
I've got a row crop propane 4020. Does that make me 1%.
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It sure as hell makes a lot more sense than comparing a bike club where you play grabass and your cute little matching patches to being an Aggie.
Who's playing grabass in cute little matching patches again? Just like there is more to being an Aggie than this picture, there is a whole lot more to a club than their patch.
(and despite the lack of an Ag Tag, I am an Aggie. Class of '00)
quote:I'm sure once he's release, the City of Austin will promote him and give him a raise since I'm sure that biker gang member is a protected class in Austin.
My fav so far is the engineer for the city of austin that is sitting in the clink
That 100k city job just wasnt enough
quote:First off, thanks for explaining why the non criminal MC would have to have an open line of communication to the criminal MCs. I still think it's idiotic to dress in a manner that links you to them at all, but I guess if you're gonna take that step you want to keep from getting your ass beat while playing dress up on the weekends.quote:Yeah, but what provides the most protection when riding? Pretty much leather jacket and leather pants. I personally wore a mesh jacket with kevlar pads because Houston is way too hot to wear all leather.
My point is regarding the clubs/people that aren't criminals but are dressing up like them. And as a result, end up needing approvals of criminals, affiliating in some way with criminals, and having to behave in manners as not to piss the criminals off.
Motorcyclists were wearing all leather before these bike gangs were a big thing that ran all kinds of trouble.
As far as wearing this stuff because it provides protection? The most common thing I see is a vest over a t shirt and jeans, maybe chaps or a worthless pudding bowl helmet. If these people wanted to wear protective gear they wouldn't look anything like your typical MC member.
Double down on the analogy if you want, but anyone that finds their club is comparable needs some serious help in their life.
The difference is that A&M Yell Leaders dont get permission from.LSU on what their coveralls and uniforms look like, or what they put on them. And the Yell Leaders do not have explicit or complicit ties to known criminal gangs (outside of the .gov anyway).
I dont think a single person finds any fault with like minded people enjoying an activity together. Hell, that is basic human nature.
What people generally find fault with is the attempts to justify activties of a group, or defend their activities, simply because you have some hobby in common or have some.perceived brotherhood because you enjoy the same things in your spare time.
Those traits are the exact same that the liberal talking heads and race baiters use to justify Ferguson and Philidelphia thugs burning half the city down, and we collectively on this board eviscerate them for their attemps to marginalize and justify such activities.
Everybody gets that not every single Bandito is a hardened criminal. But the fact of the matter is that those that do not participate in, or even agree with, the criminal activities of the few are associated with them through the club at least must tacitly agree with the activities because they will not disassociate themselves from those elements. And it trickles down further because the Banditos, assuming I understood the whole confederation organizational heirarchy and operating principle correctly, give approval to the clubs that have absolutely zero criminal activity, and those clubs give them the power to make such decisions. Why, I will never understand.
The good guy biker community is a lot like the majority of the Muslim community we constantly get told about - good people that do no harm, but allow themselves to be managed and defined by the fringes of their society that give the entire group a bad rap. And day in and day out, you do not see either group do everything they can to get the hell away from the radicals. (That is an analogy, though I have been told I am not good at it)
One can make a lot of assumptions based on acceptance by silence or acceptance by association.
I dont think a single person finds any fault with like minded people enjoying an activity together. Hell, that is basic human nature.
What people generally find fault with is the attempts to justify activties of a group, or defend their activities, simply because you have some hobby in common or have some.perceived brotherhood because you enjoy the same things in your spare time.
Those traits are the exact same that the liberal talking heads and race baiters use to justify Ferguson and Philidelphia thugs burning half the city down, and we collectively on this board eviscerate them for their attemps to marginalize and justify such activities.
Everybody gets that not every single Bandito is a hardened criminal. But the fact of the matter is that those that do not participate in, or even agree with, the criminal activities of the few are associated with them through the club at least must tacitly agree with the activities because they will not disassociate themselves from those elements. And it trickles down further because the Banditos, assuming I understood the whole confederation organizational heirarchy and operating principle correctly, give approval to the clubs that have absolutely zero criminal activity, and those clubs give them the power to make such decisions. Why, I will never understand.
The good guy biker community is a lot like the majority of the Muslim community we constantly get told about - good people that do no harm, but allow themselves to be managed and defined by the fringes of their society that give the entire group a bad rap. And day in and day out, you do not see either group do everything they can to get the hell away from the radicals. (That is an analogy, though I have been told I am not good at it)
One can make a lot of assumptions based on acceptance by silence or acceptance by association.
quote:1% if you drive it to twin peaks and rev the motor.quote:+1 on the 4020 club. Raked a lot of hay on that bad boy. Where y'all wanna meet?
I've got a row crop propane 4020. Does that make me 1%.
LPs are a bit more rare. If you ever think about selling, offer it to a collector. And I spent a lot of time on a 730 during my high school summers, so I'm pretty hard core, right?
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The difference is that A&M Yell Leaders dont get permission from.LSU on what their coveralls and uniforms look like, or what they put on them. And the Yell Leaders do not have explicit or complicit ties to known criminal gangs (outside of the .gov anyway).
I dont think a single person finds any fault with like minded people enjoying an activity together. Hell, that is basic human nature.
What people generally find fault with is the attempts to justify activties of a group, or defend their activities, simply because you have some hobby in common or have some.perceived brotherhood because you enjoy the same things in your spare time.
Those traits are the exact same that the liberal talking heads and race baiters use to justify Ferguson and Philidelphia thugs burning half the city down, and we collectively on this board eviscerate them for their attemps to marginalize and justify such activities.
Everybody gets that not every single Bandito is a hardened criminal. But the fact of the matter is that those that do not participate in, or even agree with, the criminal activities of the few are associated with them through the club at least must tacitly agree with the activities because they will not disassociate themselves from those elements. And it trickles down further because the Banditos, assuming I understood the whole confederation organizational heirarchy and operating principle correctly, give approval to the clubs that have absolutely zero criminal activity, and those clubs give them the power to make such decisions. Why, I will never understand.
The good guy biker community is a lot like the majority of the Muslim community we constantly get told about - good people that do no harm, but allow themselves to be managed and defined by the fringes of their society that give the entire group a bad rap. And day in and day out, you do not see either group do everything they can to get the hell away from the radicals. (That is an analogy, though I have been told I am not good at it)
One can make a lot of assumptions based on acceptance by silence or acceptance by association.
No one here is trying to justify the actions of the groups that brought violence to Waco. The problem is some people are having trouble identifying who that group is.
3 clubs were involved in the violence. (Really, 2 and their affiliate) all the dead and all the hospitalized are from those clubs. And yet there are plenty here who want to blame every Club for the actions of those 3.
I don't think people are blaming them. I'm not. I just think they are complete morons for affiliating with either.
I get that. But the rest of the clubs stull voluntarily associate themselves with those clubs, and then motorcycle riders run to the defense when non bikers call into question the association with criminal gangs or lump them a into the same group.
Seems there is a lot of need to defend organizations, but nonapparent need to make the decision to not associate in any shpe or form with the bad groups.
Surely you can see that.
Seems there is a lot of need to defend organizations, but nonapparent need to make the decision to not associate in any shpe or form with the bad groups.
Surely you can see that.
Pretty comical grown men judging people's hobbies on an aggie fan board
You are doing the same thing. See how you get new levels for posts? See how you get an ag tag or a 12th man Or the diamond tag
You are doing the same thing. See how you get new levels for posts? See how you get an ag tag or a 12th man Or the diamond tag
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I get that. But the rest of the clubs stull voluntarily associate themselves with those clubs, and then motorcycle riders run to the defense when non bikers call into question the association with criminal gangs or lump them a into the same group.
Seems there is a lot of need to defend organizations, but nonapparent need to make the decision to not associate in any shpe or form with the bad groups.
Surely you can see that.
Membership in the COC does not equal associating with the Bandidos.
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But if I want to spend hours on a big, loud, powerful machine that rattles my bones with every bump, takes me outdoors, vibrates the seat so violently that it takes hours to unwind when I get home, puts me out in the weather, etc. etc. etc.....I don't need to buy an extra vehicle or leave work.....
Are you banging a fat, valley rat secretary?
quote:quote:1% if you drive it to twin peaks and rev the motor.quote:+1 on the 4020 club. Raked a lot of hay on that bad boy. Where y'all wanna meet?
I've got a row crop propane 4020. Does that make me 1%.
LPs are a bit more rare. If you ever think about selling, offer it to a collector. And I spent a lot of time on a 730 during my high school summers, so I'm pretty hard core, right?
It's a '66. I'm keeping it.
quote:To complete the hijack, my tractor I'm keeping is this one:
It's a '66. I'm keeping it.
1937 Unstyled L. One of about 1400 made.
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I get that. But the rest of the clubs stull voluntarily associate themselves with those clubs, and then motorcycle riders run to the defense when non bikers call into question the association with criminal gangs or lump them a into the same group.
Seems there is a lot of need to defend organizations, but nonapparent need to make the decision to not associate in any shpe or form with the bad groups.
Surely you can see that.
Membership in the COC does not equal associating with the Bandidos.
I would consider having a meeting with them at a bar/restaurant associating with them.
quote:quote:
I get that. But the rest of the clubs stull voluntarily associate themselves with those clubs, and then motorcycle riders run to the defense when non bikers call into question the association with criminal gangs or lump them a into the same group.
Seems there is a lot of need to defend organizations, but nonapparent need to make the decision to not associate in any shpe or form with the bad groups.
Surely you can see that.
Membership in the COC does not equal associating with the Bandidos.
Isn't the president of the COC a Bandido? How does that even happen if a majority of the COC is clean clubs.....unless the 1% clubs really run the COC.
quote:I grew up on a 4020 propane. Brother got the 4440 plowing layout ground while I got the 4029 cultivating cotton because I didn't plow up as much...hmmmm. I now have a 4020 diesel. I'll meet you in Waco. Last one there buys the beer.quote:1% if you drive it to twin peaks and rev the motor.quote:+1 on the 4020 club. Raked a lot of hay on that bad boy. Where y'all wanna meet?
I've got a row crop propane 4020. Does that make me 1%.
LPs are a bit more rare. If you ever think about selling, offer it to a collector. And I spent a lot of time on a 730 during my high school summers, so I'm pretty hard core, right?
buys the beer.
If I have to ask for permission regarding what color I can wear, follow a handbook that is basically instructions on how not to get my ass kicked, or if we find that Brandon Is using TA to fund his meth operation, then we can start talking about them being the same thing.
Until then .... i don't think so. But I continue to be amused by people that do.
Until then .... i don't think so. But I continue to be amused by people that do.
Do they get the **** beat out if them if they don't follow?
Danny
You have 13k posts in 3 years
You argue with everyone
You obey the rules of the forum so that you can continue on
You follow the rules just like the bikers do
Sorry that your hobby is less cool than motorbikes
You have 13k posts in 3 years
You argue with everyone
You obey the rules of the forum so that you can continue on
You follow the rules just like the bikers do
Sorry that your hobby is less cool than motorbikes
Holy crap! Talk about a lopsided outcome. I'm really, really interested to see who shot who. I'd love to see surveillance video of this whole incident.
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=phone&c=y
"Eight of the dead bikers were members of the Cossacks and one was a Bandido, authorities confirmed."
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Waco-Shooting-Near-Twin-Peaks-In-Waco-304043711.html?device=phone&c=y
"Eight of the dead bikers were members of the Cossacks and one was a Bandido, authorities confirmed."
When my hobby puts me in a holding cell with Juan Garcia, then we can talk.
Knew you were going there. Once again, do they get the **** beat out of them if they refuse? Rules or pushups.
Not suprising the 8 were the Cossacks As the bandidos had the inside position and the cops had the outside
Man i cant wait to see the video from inside
Man i cant wait to see the video from inside
Membership in of itself may not, but the other aspects and the sheer fact that the clubs do not find a way to dissolve their association certainly does.
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