United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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aggiehawg said:



BUT? Don't shoot people in the back, BUT?


Come on. the clip makes the associated comment look utterly ridiculous and obviously made to manufacture outrage among the ignorant. No attempt at justification followed the "but"

As if there isn't enough to be bothered about you have to produce fake outrage.
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Eric Adam's grew a spine since Trumps landslide victory



He calls out the dems (our bench) for radicalizing children to hating America (our team).
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This is pretty chilling

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Eric Adam's grew a spine since Trumps landslide victory
Adams finally remembered he used to be a cop.

Now he's a former cop, sitting Mayor under federal indictment. I assume Garland sicced the SDNY on him.
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Quo Vadis? said:

This is pretty chilling



anything for attention with this crowd......

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aggiehawg said:

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Eric Adam's grew a spine since Trumps landslide victory
Adams finally remembered he used to be a cop.

Now he's a former cop, sitting Mayor under federal indictment. I assume Garland sicced the SDNY on him.
Trump said he is open to pardoning Adams at the press conference yesterday

he should pardon him on the first day just to watch the leftists shriek and yell

but make sure he quotes Biden in his justification!

adams might switch back to being a Republican
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Krombopulos Michael said:

Quo Vadis? said:

This is pretty chilling



anything for attention with this crowd......




Those will age like milk.

Can you imagine in 10 or 15 years when they have a 6 year old asking what that tattoo is?

Oh, just a murderer that I idolized when I was a ******ed college kid.
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LMCane said:

aggiehawg said:

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Eric Adam's grew a spine since Trumps landslide victory
Adams finally remembered he used to be a cop.

Now he's a former cop, sitting Mayor under federal indictment. I assume Garland sicced the SDNY on him.
Trump said he is open to pardoning Adams at the press conference yesterday

he should pardon him on the first day just to watch the leftists shriek and yell

but make sure he quotes Biden in his justification!

adams might switch back to being a Republican
Adams is a scummy democrat that is just paying nice because he knows the gig is up!

There is ZERO reason for Trump to pardon this guy.


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Krombopulos Michael said:

Quo Vadis? said:

This is pretty chilling



anything for attention with this crowd......




I've yet to see any tattoo that was big and visible to others, that wasn't done to get "look at me, I support so-and-so," attention.

Those are done for the feelz and the likes from others, hence why they don't age well.
There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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Adams is a scummy democrat that is just paying nice because he knows the gig is up!

There is ZERO reason for Trump to pardon this guy.
Depends on which charges are contained in the indictment, in my view. If they are ticky tack charges such as an airline upgrade years and years ago, well before he was Mayor?
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Indicted on 1st degree murder charges.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-indicted-new-york
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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Im Gipper said:

Im Gipper said:

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Coward


I mean despicable and disgraceful but I think he did something dangerous and endured the results (and will continue to) but was hardly timid

POS but not exactly cowardly with a reprehensible assassination
He shot a man in the back, and then ran away.

That is about as cowardly as they come!


Great minds think alike!




Luigi the Cowardly Loser


Can't be blue starred enough. I agree with Trump. The shooter is a cowardly loser.
Trump will fix it.
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techno-ag said:

Im Gipper said:

Im Gipper said:

TAMUallen said:

PA24 said:

Coward


I mean despicable and disgraceful but I think he did something dangerous and endured the results (and will continue to) but was hardly timid

POS but not exactly cowardly with a reprehensible assassination
He shot a man in the back, and then ran away.

That is about as cowardly as they come!


Great minds think alike!




Luigi the Cowardly Loser


Can't be blue starred enough. I agree with Trump. The shooter is a cowardly loser.
Agreed. Anyone who shoots someone else solely because of corporate or political polices they disagree with should go to jail for life
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Murder in the First Degree, in furtherance of terrorism


Terrorism? Any other person is shot dead on the street and the perpetrator is a murderer. Shoot someone with enough money and influence though and you're a terrorist, I guess.
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Oh, okay. How they got a first degree murder charge in this case.
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Mangione initially faced a range of charges, with second-degree murder as the top charge. In New York, first-degree murder requires special circumstances, such as if the victim is a police officer, the victim was tortured, etc. In this case, prosecutors are now alleging the murder was an act of terrorism.

"This was a killing to invoke terror," Bragg said. "This was not an ordinary killing, not to suggest that any killing is ordinary, but this was extraordinary and the New York State Legislature has set out both the paths, both the murder one and murder two, and this, we allege, is squarely within those statutes which talk about intending to do exactly what we saw happen here."
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I think it's safe to say this particular murder invoked the least amount of terror for the average American citizen.
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Gig em G said:

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Murder in the First Degree, in furtherance of terrorism


Terrorism? Any other person is shot dead on the street and the perpetrator is a murderer. Shoot someone with enough money and influence though and you're a terrorist, I guess.
Pretty much, yes. Violence against a non-combatant in the hopes of ideological gains.
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Why aren't school shooters typically charged with terrorism then? Most have ideological reasons and explicitly state them in their manifestos…it's almost always nihilistic hate for society as a whole, or racially motivated. Regardless, they are clearly motivated to cause mass "terror" by murdering random people, and as many as they possibly can
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Gig em G said:

Why aren't school shooters typically charged with terrorism then? Most have ideological reasons and explicitly state them in their manifestos…it's almost always nihilistic hate for society as a whole, or racial motivated. On top of that, they very clearly are motivated to cause mass "terror" by murdering random people, and as many as they possibly can
Because they are not doing them in NYC under Brag as DA.

Remember how Bragg had to bootstrap in some claim of falsified business records to hide another crime solely in order to get the longer statute of limitations on the enhanced felony charge?

Same principle here to get a fig leaf for enhancement to first degree murder. (Not that makes much difference as the DP is not on the table in that state. Life without parole available for first or second degree murder anyway.

But here's the caveat: Will a jury hang on the terrorism aspect and thus the first degree murder charge and Bragg move to dismiss it during deliberations like he did in the Daniel Penny trial? Bragg just never learns.
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Gig em G said:

Why aren't school shooters typically charged with terrorism then? Most have ideological reasons and explicitly state them in their manifestos…it's almost always nihilistic hate for society as a whole, or racial motivated. On top of that, they very clearly are motivated to cause mass "terror" by murdering random people, and as many as they possibly can
I don't know. I'm just saying I can see how this case meets the definition.
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I get what you're saying. I guess my post was more rhetorical than anything.

It just seems like this particular case indicates that the upper echelon of business executives and politicians are more concerned about forgoing their routine dinner reservations at Peter Luger's or Nobu Malibu (due to fear of getting targeted) than innocent children getting murdered.
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Not sure if this is related, but doesn't his family own funeral homes?

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/7-people-shot-one-dead-towson-reports-say.amp

FOX45 reports that seven people were shot and one is dead following a shooting that occurred at a funeral home.

Baltimore County Police Department says multiple people were transported to area hospitals.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Not sure if this is related, but doesn't his family own funeral homes?

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/7-people-shot-one-dead-towson-reports-say.amp

FOX45 reports that seven people were shot and one is dead following a shooting that occurred at a funeral home.

Baltimore County Police Department says multiple people were transported to area hospitals.


" Officials said that the first police officer on the scene found a car on its side and on fire."

Probably just Baltimore being Baltimore.
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Gig em G said:

Why aren't school shooters typically charged with terrorism then? Most have ideological reasons and explicitly state them in their manifestos…it's almost always nihilistic hate for society as a whole, or racially motivated. Regardless, they are clearly motivated to cause mass "terror" by murdering random people, and as many as they possibly can

The Vegas shooter targeting Country fans?
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Gig em G said:

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Murder in the First Degree, in furtherance of terrorism


Terrorism? Any other person is shot dead on the street and the perpetrator is a murderer. Shoot someone with enough money and influence though and you're a terrorist, I guess.


Have you even followed this story?
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Intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" is the operative phrase
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Gig em G said:

I get what you're saying. I guess my post was more rhetorical than anything.

It just seems like this particular case indicates that the upper echelon of business executives and politicians are more concerned about forgoing their routine dinner reservations at Peter Luger's or Nobu Malibu (due to fear of getting targeted) than innocent children getting murdered.
Because our politicians care a lot more about money than they do kids.
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SDNY bringing federal charges.
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Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4 in Manhattan, was extradited Thursday morning back to New York City, where he faces state and now federal charges.

Mangione, 26, was flown out of Pennsylvania on Thursday to face murder charges in New York. He will face federal charges, as well, according to sources.

Federal court documents filed Thursday afternoon show he is facing two counts of stalking, one count of murder using a firearm and one count of using a firearm in the commission of a crime in the Southern District of New York. He will have a hearing in federal court once he arrives in Manhattan.

"The federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already overcharged first-degree murder and state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns," his New York defense attorney, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, told Fox News. "We are ready to fight these charges in whatever court they are brought."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-faces-new-york-extradition-after-ending-fight
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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The feds stepping in here could be due to concerns that Mangione could walk with just one holdout on a solely Manhattan jury. Guy just has too much support among the anti-capitalist adherents to ensure an impartial jury.

So at first I was surprised the feds were piling on but then I thought about the potential concerns with wacky Manhattan juries. Further, the feds may also just not trust Bragg's office after they in effect overcharged with the first degree murder count based upon a very thin terrorism claim. Shades of what happened in the Daniel Penny trial. Bragg really messed that one up.
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Can't he possibly be retried if the case ends up in a hung jury though?
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Gig em G said:

Can't he possibly be retried if the case ends up in a hung jury though?
Yes, hung jury results in a mistrial usually. There are a lot of state counts against him though. Could convict on a lesser included.

Question is how much trust in Bragg's office not to screw it up really exists now?
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Rapier108 said:

SDNY bringing federal charges.
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Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4 in Manhattan, was extradited Thursday morning back to New York City, where he faces state and now federal charges.

Mangione, 26, was flown out of Pennsylvania on Thursday to face murder charges in New York. He will face federal charges, as well, according to sources.

Federal court documents filed Thursday afternoon show he is facing two counts of stalking, one count of murder using a firearm and one count of using a firearm in the commission of a crime in the Southern District of New York. He will have a hearing in federal court once he arrives in Manhattan.

"The federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already overcharged first-degree murder and state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns," his New York defense attorney, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, told Fox News. "We are ready to fight these charges in whatever court they are brought."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-murder-suspect-luigi-mangione-faces-new-york-extradition-after-ending-fight

Called it upthread.
Trump will fix it.
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We need another mysterious camera failure via the Epstein route and get rid of this coward.
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Called it upthread.
Yes you did. I was skeptical because feds do not usually do that for a state murder without further federal law involvement.

But I guess I vastly underestimated how much the feds doubt Bragg's competence. (Not that they are wrong in that assessment. He sucks.)

But this is a very straightforward murder case. Not at all complicated...until Bragg made it more complicated with the terrorism enhancement. Confess I never saw that one coming.

Well done. Kudos.
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BMX Bandit said:

Intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population" is the operative phrase
Quite a few so intimidated they are getting tats celebrating this dude and praising him on social media. The only ones likely to be intimidated are other CEOs in similar businesses in a major city.
 
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