United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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annie88 said:

How the hell did the shooter just get away?

I guess no one realized what was going on quick enough?

He had a silencer.

Cameras have him jumping on one of those rental bikes (I think?) and they can spot him through some point in Central Park.
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Anti-taxxer said:

annie88 said:

How the hell did the shooter just get away?

I guess no one realized what was going on quick enough?

He had a silencer.

Cameras have him jumping on one of those rental bikes (I think?) and they can spot him through some point in Central Park.
Don't you have to use a credit card to rent one of those bikes?
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That hotel is in super popular spot in Manhattan, lots of conferences there. No chance hundreds of cameras didn't get the shooter from multiple angles. The grainy camera screencaps are garbage. You can bet super high res images exist.
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Maybe he was terminally ill and he set it up the hit so that his family could claim insurance.

Or, maybe he has a second family in Utah so he hired someone to shoot him but he meant to get away and kill them and use the hitman's corpse to fake his own death.
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akm91 said:

Anti-taxxer said:

annie88 said:

How the hell did the shooter just get away?

I guess no one realized what was going on quick enough?

He had a silencer.

Cameras have him jumping on one of those rental bikes (I think?) and they can spot him through some point in Central Park.
Don't you have to use a credit card to rent one of those bikes?

No clue. Someone I heard on Fox called it an "e bike". I just assumed that was a rental.
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Emotional Support Cobra said:

Maybe he was terminally ill and he set it up the hit so that his family could claim insurance.

Or, maybe he has a second family in Utah so he hired someone to shoot him but he meant to get away and kill them and use the hitman's corpse to fake his own death.
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agcrock2005 said:




If you're having threats, at least spend a couple hundred thousand dollars to keep yourself alive. I mean, what's it worth if you're dead?!
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Logos Stick said:

used a silencer:


If that video is representative of CPR from police then I'm dying anyway, just let me die in peace and don't touch me.
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I'm genuinely shocked this doesn't happen more often to CEOs
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chickencoupe16 said:

Logos Stick said:

used a silencer:


If that video is representative of CPR from police then I'm dying anyway, just let me die in peace and don't touch me.
Exactly what I was going to say. I'm yelling at my computer to "DO NOT STOP THE COMPRESSIONS!".
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Dicer said:

I'm genuinely shocked this doesn't happen more often to CEOs


Now, maybe. We have antifa and the likes.

I guess statistically... you're likely to piss a lot of people off with any big business.

More surprised there isn't a bigger security force around these guys/women at the top of corporations
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I worked for UHG for years.. well over a decade. Evil in the name of profit is what it is. Vertical integration across all health industries means monopoly. They might have different names for various portions of the work but their #1 goal has always been becoming the only game in town as we move towards universal healthcare.

  • Insurance
  • doctors practices
  • revenue cycle management (billing)
  • hospital chains
  • pharmacies
  • lab companies
  • surgery centers
  • diagnostic systems tools etc
  • managed care
  • prescription plans.. optumRX
  • banks (Optum Bank....)

They literally own the entire market and bill and pay themselves.. Guess who gets screwed on insurance plans when the Insurance company owns the docs, the policy, and the billing?

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone targeted him. The only thing that surprises me is that our federal government hasn't stopped the vertical integration of healthcare.
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Signel said:

I worked for UHG for years.. well over a decade. Evil in the name of profit is what it is. Vertical integration across all health industries means monopoly. They might have different names for various portions of the work but their #1 goal has always been becoming the only game in town as we move towards universal healthcare.

  • Insurance
  • doctors practices
  • revenue cycle management (billing)
  • hospital chains
  • pharmacies
  • lab companies
  • surgery centers
  • diagnostic systems tools etc
  • managed care
  • prescription plans.. optumRX
  • banks (Optum Bank....)

They literally own the entire market and bill and pay themselves.. Guess who gets screwed on insurance plans when the Insurance company owns the docs, the policy, and the billing?

No, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone targeted him. The only thing that surprises me is that our federal government hasn't stopped the vertical integration of healthcare.



Interesting. We've had UHC for years and never once went to a UHC health care provider, unless Mount Sinai, Presbyterian/Columbia or NYU networks are really owned by UHC. That includes numerous surgeries and hospital stays over the years.
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TAMUallen said:

Dicer said:

I'm genuinely shocked this doesn't happen more often to CEOs


Now, maybe. We have antifa and the likes.

I guess statistically... you're likely to piss a lot of people off with any big business.

More surprised there isn't a bigger security force around these guys/women at the top of corporations
Yea I'm sure it's antifa, not some pissed off middle class guy who can't get ahead while Brian here gets 20MM a year ****ing over those who can't get claims for the insurance they pay.
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aggiedata said:




I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
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aggiedata said:


What kind of POS gun keeps jamming up like that?
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Thunderstruck xx said:

It's called a SUPPRESSOR.

actually, it's also called a silencer.

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A silencer, also known as a sound suppressor, suppressor, or sound moderator, is a muzzle device that suppresses the blast created when a gun (firearm or airgun) is discharged, thereby reducing the acoustic intensity of the muzzle report (sound of a gunshot) and jump, by modulating the speed and pressure of the propellant gas released from the muzzle. Like other muzzle devices, a silencer can be a detachable accessory mounted to the muzzle, or an integral part of the barrel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer_(firearms)

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Suppressor may refer to:

Suppressor (firearms), an American neologism for a silencer
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Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.
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texagbeliever said:

aggiedata said:




I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
High level? Nah. He only partially worked his malfunction, Tap. Rack. Don't just keep trying to rack. All that showed was that the shooter had familiarity with his weapon platform, which could be gained from time at the range, or any number of private instruction classes.
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I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
Agree. That does appear to be a designed hit. Waited until he walked past him, shot him in the back.
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texagbeliever said:

aggiedata said:




I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
Not sure about high level military training. Could just be a decent amount of range time or experience with guns and above avg IQ.
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Clearly not proficient with the weapon. Amateur hour. Won't say he got lucky though. Hard to miss a '10 shot in the back to a dude gingerly walking away. You can see the shooter struggle to operate the piece.
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CrockerCock00 said:

texagbeliever said:

aggiedata said:




I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
High level? Nah. He only partially worked his malfunction, Tap. Rack. Don't just keep trying to rack. All that showed was that the shooter had familiarity with his weapon platform, which could be gained from time at the range, or any number of private instruction classes.
I'd also add that you can tell he didn't have a round in the chamber to start with since he still had to rack it before the first shot. That's typically going to be someone that doesn't feel comfortable enough with their weapon system to carry it condition 1 (loaded, round in chamber, safety on).
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Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
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Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.
What if he felt like his life was already ruined? We don't know his story. Not saying anything could possibly justify this...but let's say he lost someone very special to him, and felt like it was largely because their insurer F'd them over, putting ht eblood on their hands. Just saying, I could follow the logic, especially if it is someone who is not mentally stable to begin with.
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Someone must've hired this hitman from Teemu
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Dicer said:

I'm genuinely shocked this doesn't happen more often to CEOs
Well Ken Lay died shortly after. But Jeff Skilling and Andy Fastow certainly wouldn't have garnered much sympathy outside of the strict letter of the law.
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Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.
say what you want but it's creating a conversation and other CEOs are likely on high alert
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CrockerCock00 said:

CrockerCock00 said:

texagbeliever said:

aggiedata said:




I don't see that hit as being anything but a professional or someone with high level military training. The unhappy dad/husband is basically not possible.
High level? Nah. He only partially worked his malfunction, Tap. Rack. Don't just keep trying to rack. All that showed was that the shooter had familiarity with his weapon platform, which could be gained from time at the range, or any number of private instruction classes.
I'd also add that you can tell he didn't have a round in the chamber to start with since he still had to rack it before the first shot. That's typically going to be someone that doesn't feel comfortable enough with their weapon system to carry it condition 1 (loaded, round in chamber, safety on).
Nvmd, disregard previous message, I was confused
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I would bet pretty good money the murderer spends way too much time on reddit.
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If someone who doesn't know much about guns so bought a ****ty weapon, ****ty ammo, maintained either poorly, or some combo thereof and was therefore experienced with jams. I'm guessing he had enough sense to practice and realize he'd need multiple shots to be sure but his gun typically jammed so he got good at halfway figuring it out.
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Agree, he walked right up to him and didn't put one in the head for the coup de grace.
 
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