*** The Book of Boba Fett *** (Discussion Thread) Wed Dec 29 - Feb 9

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Cad Bane was dispatched without much of a fight. They were clearly setting up an epic showdown that we didn't get.

Neither Fett nor Mando ever really did anything particularly cool or exciting before the Rancor arrived. They seemed like they were just bumbling through the battle without even a hint of a strategy. These are the two of the baddest dudes in the galaxy, and both of them have looked much better than they did in this episode.

Black Krrsantan -- Really? You set up a badass warrior like that only to show us him getting his ass whooped the entire episode?

But then Grogu pretty much only using his force power to take out a big bolt from a droid, and then calm the Rancor down...meh. Was really hoping for a cooler moment for him. Granted, he did save the day. But it just didn't "feel" that exciting to me. Nevermind the fact that I thought Luke sending him to Tatooine alone on an X-Wing just felt off to me. Like a manufactured way of keeping Luke out of this episode.

Also, not even a hint or setup of who was behind the Pykes?

Glad I didn't stay up till 3 am honestly.
We saw this stuff kinda differently...

Bane put up a whole fight, and just kinda let his guard down, but he's always been cocky like that. The disappointment there is that they just kept too many good things behind the curtain in this show til the end, so we didn't get all the Bane content we wanted.

Fett and Mando really looked at each other and said, "yeah let's go down in a blaze of glory," went out there in the open amidst like 50 pykes and killed half of them. Not too shabby when you consider just a dozen or so clones was all it took to kill some of the jedi we have seen. Boba's best fighting was seen right before he got his armor, when he just hammed stormtroopers with his stick. But no, they had no strategy, because Fennec's whole plan failed, and they were left hanging in the wind so the plan was, "Go kill as many as possible before dying, because we can't do anything else but run."

I was also really disappointed with Santo at first, he got enslaved and mutated by Trandoshians (probably mispelled) but didn't fight them with the same passion that he dismembered the one in the sanctuary. But then we see, he didn't go down so easy. Not only did he break free from like 8 human lizards that had tackled him, he killed them, fought his way through more, and then got swarmed again by the pykes on his way to the others. He then carried all those pykes on his back like Jace Sternberger with a South Carolina defender all the way to his friends, and threw them off of him. The fact that he just won a 1v12+ in hand-to-handcombat was pretty impressive to me. While he did get beat up at first, I feel like he did more kicking the others, seeing as how he came out on top. Heck, the speeder bike gang needed help fighting the militia of one crime family, but Santos fought off another crime family all on his own, and a few Pykes, on his way to the others.

Grogu ripping the bolt out of the droid was all he could do, I think. he's not the most powerful. Remember how Luke showed him, "I can teach you to not just catch frogs for dinner, but to pick up every last little hiding frog in this swamp." Similarly, Grogu couldn't really get the whole thing, but he did enough to keep Mando alive long enough for the director to give us another cool option: Rancor Smash. Had Grogu just crumpled that droid like a soda can, Star Wars fans would complain, "Why is he so helpless half the time and letting Gideon's Dark Trooper Droids take him, and the other half, he can ragdoll a 1.5 ton robot with shields and blasters?"

Lastly, I think that they're holding back on who's behind all the spice just to keep their options open, which I can understand. What's becoming a bit more clear is that they're setting things up for whoever is behind the spice to be a powerful villain in the future, which is good.

I totally get your criticism and the ways you felt disappointed. You raise good points and I certainly wanted some different things, and I definitely wanted more Luke action. This is just my way of trying to be optimistic and explain why they didn't do some other things.
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twilly said:

1. It sets up the failure narrative that Luke must travel down for all the ST stuff to happen. Luke has to start failing somewhere, and this could be it.
I think Luke giving Grogu the choice was quite the opposite of his beginning to fail. To me it showed the maturity to let someone else choose their path, and to allow it, unlike he did with Kylo. With Kylo it was like, "Oh no, he had a thought that's out of line with my dogma," and decided to behead him in his sleep.

When I watch Luke talk to Grogu and show Grogu his power, and then see him tell Ahsoka, "Sometimes I wonder if his heart is in it," I get a STRONG feeling that Luke is feeling ambitious with Grogu. He badly, badly wants to train Grogu to be a great Jedi, like his own master, Yoda. He clearly sees in Grogu what he sees in Yoda, obviously.

Then Ahsoka tells Luke that he is like his father, and that's a sobering moment for him, since ya know, his father's ambition and lust for power, not power to save himself, but power for others, turned Anakin into the most well-known and hated individual that the galaxy had ever seen. Luke's turns more somber and asks what he should do with Grogu. He wants Grogu to train under him, badly. But he gives Grogu the choice, because he doesn't want to be consumed by the typical Jedi trap of pursuing power.

It kills me to see Grogu not get a lightsaber. I kinda hope for Luke to still pass it along to him, or for Grogu to one day, take apart the darksaber, and re-house the crystal in it.
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I think since we didn't get to see Cad Bane's droid that the flashing red light was a transmitter to call for help...I think he will be back and we will get to see his droid next BOBF season or in Mando Season 3.

I think if the timelines Mando/BOBF/Ahsoka keep running together they should rebrand them vs having them listed as separate shows. BOBF played out like a story line in Clone Wars would have. If the intent is to have them all connected at least put them under an umbrella title of some sort so expectations are managed and people don't expect a show dedicated to one character or story line.
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I didn't mean a failure in his character, or in his choice to give Grogu an out. I meant his failure to train a potential padawan. Luke would have to deal with the failure, or inability to train a prospective student.

In TLJ, Yoda opined upon Luke his inability to learn from failure. How does Luke handle one of his student's turning away from the path?
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This changes everything. Well said, and an excellent point.
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Alpha Texan said:


I totally get your criticism and the ways you felt disappointed. You raise good points and I certainly wanted some different things, and I definitely wanted more Luke action. This is just my way of trying to be optimistic and explain why they didn't do some other things.
Surely I'm not the only one who was glad Luke didn't show up? Using him as almost a deus ex machina to solve every difficult situation that our characters get into really limits their potential.

Overall really agreed with the rest of your post though
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Kampfers said:

Alpha Texan said:


I totally get your criticism and the ways you felt disappointed. You raise good points and I certainly wanted some different things, and I definitely wanted more Luke action. This is just my way of trying to be optimistic and explain why they didn't do some other things.
Surely I'm not the only one who was glad Luke didn't show up? Using him as almost a deus ex machina to solve every difficult situation that our characters get into really limits their potential.

Overall really agreed with the rest of your post though


I agree. I am happy with less Luke.
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I was sure as heck expecting R2 to blow up some droids with an X-wing though.

There's a lot of fridge logic to overlook with this show. There are some great moments, but you really have to check logic at the door or you're going to be disappointed.
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Karrde said:

I was sure as heck expecting R2 to blow up some droids with an X-wing though.

There's a lot of fridge logic to overlook with this show. There are some great moments, but you really have to check logic at the door or you're going to be disappointed.


Do you know how stupid this sounds?
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6/10

Fun but not sure what the point was. I do think the flashbacks through the fist 4 episodes were really great star wars though.

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Guys…
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powerbelly said:

Kampfers said:

Alpha Texan said:


I totally get your criticism and the ways you felt disappointed. You raise good points and I certainly wanted some different things, and I definitely wanted more Luke action. This is just my way of trying to be optimistic and explain why they didn't do some other things.
Surely I'm not the only one who was glad Luke didn't show up? Using him as almost a deus ex machina to solve every difficult situation that our characters get into really limits their potential.

Overall really agreed with the rest of your post though


I agree. I am happy with less Luke.


I want Luke to show up in the Series Finale of Ashoka when she has been captured by Thrawn and just wreck shop. And that is the only time we see him again.
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Worst moment of the show but that is brilliant
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jeffk said:

I love that Luke showed up in person to recruit Grogu and really rolled out the red carpet for him with all the droid destroying, but then when Grogu wants to enter the transfer portal, he gets tossed in an X-wing piloted by R2 and dumped off on a Tatooine mechanic.


Thought the same thing.

Luke was Jaded, (Mara jaded)
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twilly said:

I didn't mean a failure in his character, or in his choice to give Grogu an out. I meant his failure to train a potential padawan. Luke would have to deal with the failure, or inability to train a prospective student.

In TLJ, Yoda opined upon Luke his inability to learn from failure. How does Luke handle one of his student's turning away from the path?


My guess is Mando is Captain Phasma's father (same chrome armor). Just kidding.

But I think Mando dies before the end, sacrificing himself to save Grogu, and that paves the way for Grogu to be frees from his attachment and rejoin Luke.
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I can't remember if this was discussed or not, but Grogu had to leave in order for Ben to be Luke's 1st student...Isn't that canon?
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Hopefully Mando and Baby Yoda now decide to travel the far reaches of the galaxy and never see any of the characters or planets from the movies again.
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amercer said:

Hopefully Mando and Baby Yoda now decide to travel the far reaches of the galaxy and never see any of the characters or planets from the movies again.
That would be amazing.
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redline248 said:

I can't remember if this was discussed or not, but Grogu had to leave in order for Ben to be Luke's 1st student...Isn't that canon?
Ben doesn't come to Luke until just before his 10th birthday, in this comic he mentions being "First" among his friends, but I think there is an older class of Jedi in these comics.

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Which brings up another good point; if Luke has a hard rule about attachments, the. How was Ben Solo able to join up after living with Mom and Dad?
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Boba Fett, mother of Rancors, first of his name, Diamyo of Mos Espa, khaleesi of the great dune sea, the Undigested, escaper of sarlacc pits

Fun episode. Not great, but not terrible either. Was hoping the power rangers would bite it.
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SpreadsheetAg said:

Which brings up another good point; if Luke has a hard rule about attachments, the. How was Ben Solo able to join up after living with Mom and Dad?
The real answer is Luke didn't. I'm still unsure why that was made a point of focus during Boba Fett
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I guess we also dont know that Grogu wont get trained anymore for sure either.
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So what was with cutting torch guy next to the bacta tank in mid credit scene?
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

So what was with cutting torch guy next to the bacta tank in mid credit scene?


Same guy from the droid organ replacement shop that fixed up Fennec
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SpreadsheetAg said:

SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

So what was with cutting torch guy next to the bacta tank in mid credit scene?


Same guy from the droid organ replacement shop that fixed up Fennec


Ah. Nice. I figured there was some significance. Thanks
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So he is getting bacta treatment, but also going to get a mod? Is the mod dr evil somehow
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SoulSlaveAG2005 said:

So what was with cutting torch guy next to the bacta tank in mid credit scene?
He's the modder who saved Fennec Shand, and now he's gonna install windows 23 on Cobb Vanth
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SpreadsheetAg said:

Which brings up another good point; if Luke has a hard rule about attachments, the. How was Ben Solo able to join up after living with Mom and Dad?
Why did Luke continue to have a relationship with Han, Chewie, Lando, and Leia?

Makes no sense. This should be one of the things that Rey, if we follow her story onward, should fix. Attachment shouldn't be forbidden, just that they should know what's healthy and whatnot.
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Alpha Texan said:

SpreadsheetAg said:

Which brings up another good point; if Luke has a hard rule about attachments, the. How was Ben Solo able to join up after living with Mom and Dad?
Why did Luke continue to have a relationship with Han, Chewie, Lando, and Leia?

Makes no sense. This should be one of the things that Rey, if we follow her story onward, should fix. Attachment shouldn't be forbidden, just that they should know what's healthy and whatnot.
Well, Rey has a weird sense of what attachment is. You know, having stabbed, healed, and kissed Kylo all in the same movie. Like one of those crazies from the mugshawtys thread over on general.
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redline248 said:

Alpha Texan said:

SpreadsheetAg said:

Which brings up another good point; if Luke has a hard rule about attachments, the. How was Ben Solo able to join up after living with Mom and Dad?
Why did Luke continue to have a relationship with Han, Chewie, Lando, and Leia?

Makes no sense. This should be one of the things that Rey, if we follow her story onward, should fix. Attachment shouldn't be forbidden, just that they should know what's healthy and whatnot.
Well, Rey has a weird sense of what attachment is. You know, having stabbed, healed, and kissed Kylo all in the same movie. Like one of those crazies from the mugshawtys thread over on general.
I knew a lot of girls like that in college
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I agree with the Meh crowd.

I'm tired of the trope that droids miss or cannot pinpoint target enemies peeking at them. And then it got worse, the big bad shootie droid is confronted by a brawler? Ok, I'll stop shooting for a while and try brawling with it. I know that a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, they haven't seen Raiders of the Lost Ark and Indy facing the swordsman but surely, there is comparable examples present.

The Wookie getting overrun was also dumb.

They did well like others have said with not making Grogu OP to save the day nor have the villagers of Santo Poco save the day when Bane was beating Boba (Please don't let this be the end of Bane after such a short live-action life).

The scene with Fennec at the end was perfect.

The battle tactics all throughout were laughable but excusable given the characters, starting with the garrison riding to save the day only to park as a group in front of their enemies instead of surrounding or spreading out.

I was bit surprised at the strangulation by Fennec and Boba stabbing instead clubbing Cad Bane, given how young some of the audience is.

Last, are we getting an Ahsoka series?
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That was such a waste of a finale. A waste of Cad Bane. A waste of a show.

Outflanked by a full Pyke attack, boba Fett loses 2 gamorrean guards, and that's it? Come on. This should have been an emperor strike's back end to the season where he loses it all, barely escapes with his life, and is left with a clear mission of vengeance against Cad Bane and the Pykes. Instead, the miracle of plot armor keeps everyone with a human face alive and Boba Fett now rules Tatooine with no direction for his story to go.

What
A
Waste
Thanks and gig'em
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bearamedic99 said:

Last, are we getting an Ahsoka series?
Yes
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powerbelly said:

Kampfers said:

Alpha Texan said:


I totally get your criticism and the ways you felt disappointed. You raise good points and I certainly wanted some different things, and I definitely wanted more Luke action. This is just my way of trying to be optimistic and explain why they didn't do some other things.
Surely I'm not the only one who was glad Luke didn't show up? Using him as almost a deus ex machina to solve every difficult situation that our characters get into really limits their potential.

Overall really agreed with the rest of your post though


I agree. I am happy with less Luke.
Agreed. And if they're going to be using more young Luke in the future, just rip the bandaid off and hire that actor that is a young Hamill look-a-like. The deep fake stuff is impressive, but it feels so lifeless.
 
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