They do that to cover their asses, not because it's been decided yet.
hph6203 said:
Misunderstood the contention, I can't see HBO dumping a show with reviews as good as Watchmen and viewership that isn't exactly bad. They're starving for another show to fill the gap of Game of Thrones, and this won't get them there, but it's a hell of a lot better and more promising than Westworld. I want more of this, I couldn't bring myself to even watch the season 2 premiere of Westworld.
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On this, we agree. Season three looks insanely awesome, and feels like they've learned from the "mistakes" of seasons past (i.e. not going quite as complicated structurally/story-wise, even though I personally loved that aspect). I don't think Westworld will ever be quite the massive hit HBO wants it to be, but it's no doubt their flagship show right now, and I think will surprise a lot of people next year.
I would argue that you have absolutely zero expertise in the matter rendering your opinion not worth very much in this matter. I'm honestly, not trying to be a jerk, but I don't go to a cardiologist when I need a new timing chain in my car and I sure as hell don't come to TexAgs when I need educated and informed opinions on what is holding back minorities in this country. Hint: Its not about perception and there are countless quantified empirical data that back this up (not that it ever stops anyone from offering up viewpoints not grounded in reality here).Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:
I think when people say "embarrassment" what they really mean is "empathy." You have one side saying, "Acknowledge that this happened. Acknowledge that it still affects the world today." And then on the other side you have people giving a version of the comment you're giving, by flippantly responding, "So what? I had nothing to do with that." And then both sides escalate from there. But there's a way to respond without sounding so cold, with just a simple injection of empathy to help contextualize your position. Because the more you essentially respond with a perceived "Get over it" attitude, the more the other side is going to want to keep reminding you that it happened.
Empathy is a much better word. I have empathy for anyone that was ever mistreated or deals with internal or external demons. My response is still essentially get over it. Go make something of yourself, defy your or others preconceived notions and don't become a statistic.
I think the whole point of the black community's complaints at times is to essentially point out that this sentiment isn't nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Are some injustices only perceived? Yes. Do some of these people play the victim too much? Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that there *are* still deep-rooted systematic disadvantages at play. "Just work harder" is such a flippant cop out that doesn't come close to acknowledging the myriad ways someone *can* work hard and still have the system fail them.
Very true. No where did I say it was easy, but there are tons of examples of people overcoming challenges. My parents both grew up very poor. I didnt, but only because my parents overcame their challenges.
I would also argue that many of the systematic disadvantages are culture and economic based and skin color is just an excuse created by correlation. Too many people confuse correlation and causation.
Westworld is an entertaing show and I've very much enjoyed it but its writing leaves a lot to be desired at times. At its peak, it doesn't come close to the same level of storytelling that Watchman has achieved.mazag08 said:hph6203 said:
Misunderstood the contention, I can't see HBO dumping a show with reviews as good as Watchmen and viewership that isn't exactly bad. They're starving for another show to fill the gap of Game of Thrones, and this won't get them there, but it's a hell of a lot better and more promising than Westworld. I want more of this, I couldn't bring myself to even watch the season 2 premiere of Westworld.
Uh..
West world is absolutely taking over as the premiere show in Game if Thrones slot, and is definitely a fantastic show.
Haters gonna hate though..
You really think its their flagship over Succession?TCTTS said:
On this, we agree. Season three looks insanely awesome, and feels like they've learned from the "mistakes" of seasons past (i.e. not going quite as complicated structurally/story-wise, even though I personally loved that aspect). I don't think Westworld will ever be quite the massive hit HBO wants it to be, but it's no doubt their flagship show right now, and I think will surprise a lot of people next year.
MBAR said:You really think its their flagship over Succession?TCTTS said:
On this, we agree. Season three looks insanely awesome, and feels like they've learned from the "mistakes" of seasons past (i.e. not going quite as complicated structurally/story-wise, even though I personally loved that aspect). I don't think Westworld will ever be quite the massive hit HBO wants it to be, but it's no doubt their flagship show right now, and I think will surprise a lot of people next year.
Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:
I think when people say "embarrassment" what they really mean is "empathy." You have one side saying, "Acknowledge that this happened. Acknowledge that it still affects the world today." And then on the other side you have people giving a version of the comment you're giving, by flippantly responding, "So what? I had nothing to do with that." And then both sides escalate from there. But there's a way to respond without sounding so cold, with just a simple injection of empathy to help contextualize your position. Because the more you essentially respond with a perceived "Get over it" attitude, the more the other side is going to want to keep reminding you that it happened.
Empathy is a much better word. I have empathy for anyone that was ever mistreated or deals with internal or external demons. My response is still essentially get over it. Go make something of yourself, defy your or others preconceived notions and don't become a statistic.
I think the whole point of the black community's complaints at times is to essentially point out that this sentiment isn't nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Are some injustices only perceived? Yes. Do some of these people play the victim too much? Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that there *are* still deep-rooted systematic disadvantages at play. "Just work harder" is such a flippant cop out that doesn't come close to acknowledging the myriad ways someone *can* work hard and still have the system fail them.
Very true. No where did I say it was easy, but there are tons of examples of people overcoming challenges. My parents both grew up very poor. I didnt, but only because my parents overcame their challenges.
I would also argue that many of the systematic disadvantages are culture and economic based and skin color is just an excuse created by correlation. Too many people confuse correlation and causation.
hph6203 said:Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:Hey...so.. um said:TCTTS said:
I think when people say "embarrassment" what they really mean is "empathy." You have one side saying, "Acknowledge that this happened. Acknowledge that it still affects the world today." And then on the other side you have people giving a version of the comment you're giving, by flippantly responding, "So what? I had nothing to do with that." And then both sides escalate from there. But there's a way to respond without sounding so cold, with just a simple injection of empathy to help contextualize your position. Because the more you essentially respond with a perceived "Get over it" attitude, the more the other side is going to want to keep reminding you that it happened.
Empathy is a much better word. I have empathy for anyone that was ever mistreated or deals with internal or external demons. My response is still essentially get over it. Go make something of yourself, defy your or others preconceived notions and don't become a statistic.
I think the whole point of the black community's complaints at times is to essentially point out that this sentiment isn't nearly as easy as you make it out to be. Are some injustices only perceived? Yes. Do some of these people play the victim too much? Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that there *are* still deep-rooted systematic disadvantages at play. "Just work harder" is such a flippant cop out that doesn't come close to acknowledging the myriad ways someone *can* work hard and still have the system fail them.
Very true. No where did I say it was easy, but there are tons of examples of people overcoming challenges. My parents both grew up very poor. I didnt, but only because my parents overcame their challenges.
I would also argue that many of the systematic disadvantages are culture and economic based and skin color is just an excuse created by correlation. Too many people confuse correlation and causation.
The economic characteristics of your parents has less impact on your future success than your IQ, and your IQ has a lot to do with how involved your parent(s) was/were in your early development years. If you grow up with uneducated or undereducated parent(s) your capacity for pulling bootstraps and making something of yourself is, on average, lower than if your parents were educated but poor.
It is important for society to do two contradictory things. To emphasize that your circumstances do not dictate the outcomes for your life, but it's also important to recognize that on the whole they tend to. In other words, try to find a balance between you can do it, but we recognize it's harder for you. And ideally put those people in a position where they don't have to worry about how they're going to eat or where they're going to live, because being poor, quite literally, makes you "dumber" (it makes your capacity for sound decision making lower).
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I would argue that you have absolutely zero expertise in the matter rendering your opinion not worth very much in this matter.
Its fine to not understand things. It is not fine to act like an uninformed and ignorant opinion is worth a damn.
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Westworld is an entertaing show and I've very much enjoyed it but its writing leaves a lot to be desired at times. At its peak, it doesn't come close to the same level of storytelling that Watchman has achieved.
As far as a show with a broad appeal that is probably the best on HBO right now, that's Succession. Westworld is at best 3rd.
WW season 3 looks cool but my problem with the show is that it's essentially an entirely different show at this point. What made season 1 so awesome was completely abandoned in 2, replaced with this cerebral mind puzzle that was, frankly, almost impossible to follow without referencing discussion boards and the like. Now, season 3 looks Bladerunner-esque. I feel like the show needs to find its identity.hph6203 said:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Westworld Season 1, but that show to me was on the same level as Big Little Lies. I really enjoyed it, but had no interest in a second season once it was done. Big Little Lies fits that description better than Westworld.
The problem with Westworld is that half the characters are meant to be kind of flat, because they're scripted Androids growing into full fledged characters for half+ of the season, so by the end of it I just want to see what's going on in the show and once you understand it there's no reason to keep going.
hph6203 said:
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Westworld Season 1, but that show to me was on the same level as Big Little Lies. I really enjoyed it, but had no interest in a second season once it was done. Big Little Lies fits that description better than Westworld.
The problem with Westworld is that half the characters are meant to be kind of flat, because they're scripted Androids growing into full fledged characters for half+ of the season, so by the end of it I just want to see what's going on in the show and once you understand it there's no reason to keep going.
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..look at the bad white man who couldn't resist spoiling paradise with his god complex and enslaving...