When do they show Rey with them? Must have missed that.
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I don't think you see them in Rey's hands, but as the Falcon leaves Achto, you do see Rey quickly closing a drawer as Chewbacca walks up - the same drawer that we see the books in later.
So, in Shadows of the Empire (novel), which is now legends, Luke finds one of Obi-Wan's old manuals on building a lightsaber and make his new (green) one.
I guess we can assume Rey will learn what she needs to be the new Yoda from the old books?
I guess we can assume Rey will learn what she needs to be the new Yoda from the old books?
Ah, before she climbs in the escape pod? I'll have to look for that.
redline248 said:
So, in Shadows of the Empire (novel), which is now legends, Luke finds one of Obi-Wan's old manuals on building a lightsaber and make his new (green) one.
I guess we can assume Rey will learn what she needs to be the new Yoda from the old books?
*****SPOILER ALERT*****
Yes, of course. On top of that, she likes fighting with a staff, and she has Anakin/Luke's old light saber (the one that was torn into two pieces after she and Kylo defeated Snoke). Are you connecting the dots yet? She has a light saber with the kyber crystal broke into two pieces...
She's going to make a light saber similar to the one that Darth Maul had in Episode I, a double bladed light saber staff!
aggiephoenix02 said:redline248 said:
So, in Shadows of the Empire (novel), which is now legends, Luke finds one of Obi-Wan's old manuals on building a lightsaber and make his new (green) one.
I guess we can assume Rey will learn what she needs to be the new Yoda from the old books?
*****SPOILER ALERT*****
Yes, of course. On top of that, she likes fighting with a staff, and she has Anakin/Luke's old light saber (the one that was torn into two pieces after she and Kylo defeated Snoke). Are you connecting the dots yet? She has a light saber with the kyber crystal broke into two pieces...
She's going to make a light saber similar to the one that Darth Maul had in Episode I, a double bladed light saber staff!
For the record, I said that as soon as TFA came out. She's been using a staff most of her life and even fights with a lightsaber in TFA like it's a staff (lots of poking and sweeping motions as opposed to small maneuvers).
Anyways, the lightsaber was in two doesn't necessarily mean the crystal is in two. Luke also still has Vaders red crystal in his hut...
There's a lot of issues with the CG characters in LOTR/Hobbit if you go back and watch (Hobbit in particular looks very digital in spots), though LOTR was groundbreaking for sure.FL_Ag1998 said:Sex Panther said:Quad Dog said:
On the other hand, what about Snoke? Was he the best fully CGI character we've ever seen? I though he looked great.
He's not even the best CGI character Andy Serkis has played
Agreed, the damn dirty apes from those movies are the best I've seen. In fact, I'd put most if not all of the CGI characters from the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies over Snoke.
The Apes films are phenomenal work, but Serkis gets far too much credit on those.
fig96 said:
Don't think this has been posted... interesting thread.
Read that thread, he puts this:
That is his best exchange in the movie? It's freaking dumb. "Rebel scum" is the oldest, most overused thing in star wars history. Every book, show or game dealing with the rebellion era uses it. They should have just stuck with Phasma calling him traitor, and him saying "I'm a rebel!"
And that doesn't even address his point about how the casino was critical.
Agreed on the line, though he addresses the sequence and it's importance to the film in other replies which was more what I was referencing it for.
I thought it was an interesting point regarding that sequence no matter what your opinion of the film is.
I thought it was an interesting point regarding that sequence no matter what your opinion of the film is.
fig96 said:
Agreed on the line, though he addresses the sequence and it's importance to the film in other replies which was more what I was referencing it for.
I thought it was an interesting point regarding that sequence no matter what your opinion of the film is.
It'd be more important in a 6 hour season of television, but not for this movie.
Again, most of us see the layers he tried to build, but the chief complaint is this ****ty movie wanted to be 5 movies all in one, and what resulted was a mess that dragged on too long and even attempts at things like this guy discusses ended up feeling completely hollow and did a disservice to the characters involved.
I could say that Finn should have learned in TFA from Rey, Han or Chewie that the cause was greater than the individual. They all continued to help and risk in order to accomplish the task of destroying the base. Not just run as soon as they dropped the shields and found Rey.
I could even say the pragmatist and idealist ends of the spectrum could have been introduced in a more star wars-y way. Hell Rogue One was essentially that same theme. Maybe have the code breaker have done some work for the resistance prior to the opening scene and has to escape on the cruiser.
But no, we needed an elaborate jail break scene with poor, mistreated animals destroying the evil luxuries of the world to get the point across.
I could even say the pragmatist and idealist ends of the spectrum could have been introduced in a more star wars-y way. Hell Rogue One was essentially that same theme. Maybe have the code breaker have done some work for the resistance prior to the opening scene and has to escape on the cruiser.
But no, we needed an elaborate jail break scene with poor, mistreated animals destroying the evil luxuries of the world to get the point across.
Your main character's point of view changing doesn't matter in this film? Interesting perspective.Bunk Moreland said:fig96 said:
Agreed on the line, though he addresses the sequence and it's importance to the film in other replies which was more what I was referencing it for.
I thought it was an interesting point regarding that sequence no matter what your opinion of the film is.
It'd be more important in a 6 hour season of television, but not for this movie.
Again, most of us see the layers he tried to build, but the chief complaint is this ****ty movie wanted to be 5 movies all in one, and what resulted was a mess that dragged on too long and even attempts at things like this guy discusses ended up feeling completely hollow and did a disservice to the characters involved.
We're going to disagree on this and that's fine, thought it was an interesting point either way.
While I like the idea of that being Finn's arc, they should have been more explicit beyond the initial exchange about him wanting to get off the ship to save Rey. It was like once they left for CGI Space Vegas, his motivations were ignored in favor of Rose's. And I get it from the perspective of establishing Rose's character, but such a big part of TFA's popularity was the two friendships between Finn and Rey/Poe and where they might go. His journey to committed Rebel should have hinged on the further development of those relationships, not a new one. Just another reason why it should have been a Finn/Poe mission.
In ANH, we see Han's transformation from a guy only interested in money to the guy who comes back to save Luke at the end because of his growing friendship with Luke (and an attraction to the princess he just met). While that relationship was about as old in movietime as Finn and Rose's was, it was much better developed and wasn't obstructed by some dense casino plot that seemed superfluous to the main plot of the movie.
In ANH, we see Han's transformation from a guy only interested in money to the guy who comes back to save Luke at the end because of his growing friendship with Luke (and an attraction to the princess he just met). While that relationship was about as old in movietime as Finn and Rose's was, it was much better developed and wasn't obstructed by some dense casino plot that seemed superfluous to the main plot of the movie.
That's not the issue. The issue is they had no time to flesh it out so everything felt crammed in and thus lost any luster Johnson was hoping for.
See, this is how you discussAg Since 83 said:
While I like the idea of that being Finn's arc, they should have been more explicit beyond the initial exchange about him wanting to get off the ship to save Rey. It was like once they left for CGI Space Vegas, his motivations were ignored in favor of Rose's. And I get it from the perspective of establishing Rose's character, but such a big part of TFA's popularity was the two friendships between Finn and Rey/Poe and where they might go. His journey to committed Rebel should have hinged on the further development of those relationships, not a new one. Just another reason why it should have been a Finn/Poe mission.
In ANH, we see Han's transformation from a guy only interested in money to the guy who comes back to save Luke at the end because of his growing friendship with Luke (and an attraction to the princess he just met). While that relationship was about as old in movietime as Finn and Rose's was, it was much better developed and wasn't obstructed by some dense casino plot that seemed superfluous to the main plot of the movie.
I can see how folks would've wanted less Rose, but I thought it was really interesting to introduce a totally different sort of character. I think that also showed a bit of Finn's naviete, his worldview was really limited and rather black and white. The casino subplot introduced shades of gray that we never really knew existing in this world before. Poe was also integral to the other part of the story, it wouldn't have really made sense to pull him away from that.
Good observation on the ANH parallel though.
O/U on a major character being gay just for the PC crap and not to actually be a coherent part of the story....
agracer said:
O/U on a major character being gay just for the PC crap and not to actually be a coherent part of the story....
C3PO isn't a major character really
This is how one knows that this movie was deeply compromised by its political themes...people pick up on the dog whistles and project things like a Finn not bring diverse enough in his viewpoint to like the chunky Asian girl. And the casino subplot was crucial to tell us that good and evil exists in the Star Wars universe. Who knew?fig96 said:See, this is how you discussAg Since 83 said:
While I like the idea of that being Finn's arc, they should have been more explicit beyond the initial exchange about him wanting to get off the ship to save Rey. It was like once they left for CGI Space Vegas, his motivations were ignored in favor of Rose's. And I get it from the perspective of establishing Rose's character, but such a big part of TFA's popularity was the two friendships between Finn and Rey/Poe and where they might go. His journey to committed Rebel should have hinged on the further development of those relationships, not a new one. Just another reason why it should have been a Finn/Poe mission.
In ANH, we see Han's transformation from a guy only interested in money to the guy who comes back to save Luke at the end because of his growing friendship with Luke (and an attraction to the princess he just met). While that relationship was about as old in movietime as Finn and Rose's was, it was much better developed and wasn't obstructed by some dense casino plot that seemed superfluous to the main plot of the movie.
I can see how folks would've wanted less Rose, but I thought it was really interesting to introduce a totally different sort of character. I think that also showed a bit of Finn's naviete, his worldview was really limited and rather black and white. The casino subplot introduced shades of gray that we never really knew existing in this world before. Poe was also integral to the other part of the story, it wouldn't have really made sense to pull him away from that.
Good observation on the ANH parallel though.
Except C3P0 is a droid...Sex Panther said:agracer said:
O/U on a major character being gay just for the PC crap and not to actually be a coherent part of the story....
C3PO isn't a major character really
If you got that from my post, you need to work on your reading comprehension.WestAustinAg said:This is how one knows that this movie was deeply compromised by its political themes...people pick up on the dog whistles and project things like a Finn not bring diverse enough in his viewpoint to like the chunky Asian girl. And the casino subplot was crucial to tell us that good and evil exists in the Star Wars universe. Who knew?fig96 said:See, this is how you discussAg Since 83 said:
While I like the idea of that being Finn's arc, they should have been more explicit beyond the initial exchange about him wanting to get off the ship to save Rey. It was like once they left for CGI Space Vegas, his motivations were ignored in favor of Rose's. And I get it from the perspective of establishing Rose's character, but such a big part of TFA's popularity was the two friendships between Finn and Rey/Poe and where they might go. His journey to committed Rebel should have hinged on the further development of those relationships, not a new one. Just another reason why it should have been a Finn/Poe mission.
In ANH, we see Han's transformation from a guy only interested in money to the guy who comes back to save Luke at the end because of his growing friendship with Luke (and an attraction to the princess he just met). While that relationship was about as old in movietime as Finn and Rose's was, it was much better developed and wasn't obstructed by some dense casino plot that seemed superfluous to the main plot of the movie.
I can see how folks would've wanted less Rose, but I thought it was really interesting to introduce a totally different sort of character. I think that also showed a bit of Finn's naviete, his worldview was really limited and rather black and white. The casino subplot introduced shades of gray that we never really knew existing in this world before. Poe was also integral to the other part of the story, it wouldn't have really made sense to pull him away from that.
Good observation on the ANH parallel though.
If the casino hadn't been so much like a Bond scene, it would have been better. The tuxedo look was distracting.
The idea of a defector was cool. But Finn was a ****ty character from the first time he opened his mouth, and it went downhill every time he changed his mind, chickened out, or did more idiotic stuff. Totally worthless.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
When do they show Rey with them? Must have missed that.
yoda tells Luke that " nothing in the tree there is that Rey doesn't already possess": that is pretty close to a direct quote. At the time the audience is led to believe that it means Rey has all the Jedi wisdom she will ever need in her heart or whatever. At the end of the movie the texts are seen in a drawer on the falcon as Finn pulls a blanket out of a drawer.
Basically when she decided to leave the island she also planned to steal the texts. Cause hey....thievery is the Jedi way.
She steals the texts to continue the Jedi order. To rebuild it because Luke had lost its way and believed it needed to end.
oragator said:
I finally saw it tonight so I can now read through some of the comments. No problem if people didn't like it, but some of the nit picky reasons absolutely no movie could survive, it's meant to be a fun popcorn movie - that's all. I can finally see why Lucas didn't want to make more of them, he knew what was coming and the impossible standards his movies are held to,
I Just try to enjoy it for what it is, and what it isn't. Makes it a lot easier.
Jmo.
The biggest problem is that Lucas let 30 years of novels be written, some good, many bad.
And then two directors came in that decided to piss on all of them, even the potentially interesting plot points they contained. Hundreds of thousands of fans spent decades reading the EU either comics or novels and Disney decided to erase all of it.
Granted a good chunk of it was crap, but Thrawn, and Mara Jade were very interesting characters. And we have gotten no other interesting plot points or history of the original heroes other than they are old, and got divorced, and Luke stood over a teenage kid and thought about killing him (with absolute zero context given.)
And for the record I t is alluded to many times over that Snoke influenced Kylo before Luke even began teaching him. So what kind of ****ty parents does that make leia and Han That they would let their teenage son hang out with an old scarified dude strong in the dark side. Seriously if leia can form a force shield around her body to survive deep space then she sure as hell should been able to spot snoke's Dark side influence sooner...she sent Kylo to Luke BECAUSE Snoke was corrupting him.
Farmer1906 said:
She steals the texts to continue the Jedi order. To rebuild it because Luke had lost its way and believed it needed to end.
Stealing is still wrong. But I guess from a certain point of view a JEDI could excuse such an immoral action.
Further proof the Jedi order was corrupt and it was time for them to end.
Is it actually stealing? Are they Luke's property? At what point are they as much hers as Luke's since she's becoming a Jedi too while Luke has renounced the faith. I would say she's taking necessary actions to preserve a anchoring artifact.
Yeah, I knew about the final scene with Finn. Didn't realize we there was a scene before that, though.
Farmer1906 said:
Is it actually stealing? Are they Luke's property? At what point are they as much hers as Luke's since she's becoming a Jedi too while Luke has renounced the faith. I would say she's taking necessary actions to preserve a anchoring artifact.
The texts were in Luke's possession as he had reclaimed the old Jedi temple and all it contained when he arrived. The caretakers accepted Luke's right to ownership of the temple as part of his Jedi heritage evidence by their treatment of him on the island.
As the sole surviving member of the Jedi order as well as the Master of the order, the texts are his by right to do with as he pleases. If he wanted to eat the pages as he took swigs of disgusting green milk, while urinating on his Jedi robes, that would have all been within his rights.
Rey: not even a Jedi student at this point. So she has zero rights to the texts, regardless of her intentions.
That's like Rocket's question at the end of GotG. "What if someone has something that I want, can I take it?"
"No. That would be stealing and stealing is against the law."
"What if I want it more than thy do?"
"Still stealing and still wrong."
Just giving the context.
Quote:
That's like Rocket's question at the end of GotG. "What if someone has something that I want, can I take it?"
"No. That would be stealing and stealing is against the law."
"What if I want it more than thy do?"
"Still stealing and still wrong."
Now I just wish there would have been a scene with Rocket Raccoon meeting Luke and telling him to quit whining
Jedi have no problems stealing or cheating.
Obi-Wan steals a random ship to escape that planet after the clones turned. Qui-Gon uses the force to influence Watto's chance die. Hell, one might say that use of the force for personal gain is what really set Anakin's fall in motion.
Obi-Wan steals a random ship to escape that planet after the clones turned. Qui-Gon uses the force to influence Watto's chance die. Hell, one might say that use of the force for personal gain is what really set Anakin's fall in motion.
Kind of validates Luke's point that the force doesn't belong to the Jedi
The rebel scum line made me cringe
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