Is there a Lego version?SeattleAgJr said:
FL_Ag1998 said:
Its not that it's "cool" to bash this movie....it's that the movie is simply mediocre at best, and because it's an entry in the most beloved movie franchise of all time people are disappointed.
Nah. It's great at worst. Certainly better than The Force Awakens and easily better than all the prequels. Right up there with the original trilogy. Go watch Kill Bill if you want the same formulaic crap.FL_Ag1998 said:
Its not that it's "cool" to bash this movie....it's that the movie is simply mediocre at best, and because it's an entry in the most beloved movie franchise of all time people are disappointed.
aTmAg said:Nah. It's great at worst. Certainly better than The Force Awakens and easily better than all the prequels. Right up there with the original trilogy. Go watch Kill Bill if you want the same formulaic crap.FL_Ag1998 said:
Its not that it's "cool" to bash this movie....it's that the movie is simply mediocre at best, and because it's an entry in the most beloved movie franchise of all time people are disappointed.
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Episode 8: Completely unpredictable departure of the now formulaic past. Plot was clever and characters used their minds to get out of problems rather than pure grit. Nothing happens like it seems and characters are more complex. I came away from episode 7 thinking Ren was a terrible villian to now thinking he is great. He's now a more complex character after two movies than most other legacy characters were after 6.
VanZandt92 said:
I thought it was rote formulaic. There really wasn't an original moment.
Of course not.. They freaking forshadowed it from the beginning. Congratulations on figuring that out. The twist wasn't that he was going to turn on Snoke, it was that he was going to replace Snoke and then try to kill everybody including his mother afterwards.Quote:
You didn't think Kylo turning on Snoke was predictable?
Again he was doing that through their ESP sessions throughout the movie. Of course it was no surprise that he'd try again after she arrived. Again... Congrats on that prediction.Quote:
Or that him trying to get Rey to join him was predictable?
The point of that was to show that all of that was a waste. That even that victory was too costly and not worth it. That point wouldn't have been driven home if they all just got wasted.Quote:
Or that the last bomber would manage to drop all the bombs despite the pilot lying there desperately kicking the ladder to drop the remote, and catching it as it falls past was cliche?
Again, I already said I wished they died. Clearly Disney greenlights who dies and lives since they famously did so for R1. I think the writers played it well given the constraints they under. Finn is the clear choice to board that ship since he was a deserter. Despite my near certainty that he was immune from death in this trilogy, they had me thinking he might actually die twice in this movie. That's good writing, not bad.Quote:
Or that something would happen to save Finn and Rose from execution mere seconds before they lose heads? That is probably as cliche as it gets.
Uuuh.. Both "cheeky" plans failed and they get wiped except for a few dozen people. That's the only time that has ever happened in SW history. Yeah... So formulaic.Quote:
Here's the formula this movie followed.
1. Overwhelming force falls prey to cheeky escape plan
2. Heroes think they are in the clear and get surprised, creating a race against clock scenario
3. Heroes come up with plan to save day, and get ever so close to achieving before everything turns wrong
4. Bad guys are moments from ending it all before deus ex machina helps heroes get away
5. Final minutes of the movie even repeat the whole cycle. We're trapped, let's blow up this thing, we can't make it in time, I'll sacrifice myself, no you're saved at the last minute bc I love you, force badass is giving us time to get away with the most awesome force use evvaarr!
This statement is ridiculous. You must be trolling.VanZandt92 said:
I thought it was rote formulaic. There really wasn't an original moment.
cbr said:
It was just total nonsense plot. All the characters were idiotic losers. Most had really bad attitudes and bull**** social crap. They all sucked. That is a total travesty. Then the garbage attempts at humor? Pointless yoda? Loser Luke? Seriously? Other than the rip off of having tie fighters, lightsabers etc this movie wouldn't have made a dime.
DannyDuberstein said:
LOL at people so butthurt over criticism of the movie that they'll hurl insults at other ags
Because that's where this franchise was going before this last movie came out (ignoring Rogue one for a moment). To outdo itself in the previous movie they have to make the Jedi/Sith even more amazing in the next. One thing that made the original trilogy so great was that Luke was the perpetual underdog. He was weak in 2 movies and only beat Vader in the 3rd because he was momentarily inspired by hate. Vader/Palpatine were powerful, but not ridiculously powerful.Sex Panther said:
I'm just confused on why you keep referencing Kill Bill
We got a crapload more than "arms dealers". If that's all you remember about the movie, then no wonder you came away disappointed. Go watch it again, there was a lot more going on.jamaggie06 said:
I get that. But at least show us something...give us the infamous knights of ren in a flashback. Something for us to believe he is a force to be reckoned with. At least in TFA, he was just the student to Snoke. So far, we've been given nothing and he is now the main antagonist.
And given Rey's unexplainable improvement, it would appear it won't be much of a contest when they inevitably clash again.
When Luke fought Vader, we knew Vader was a threat. Even in ROTJ, Vader was still a force to be reckoned with againsy Luke; the point of the battle was to turn Luke, not to destroy him, so we have some reason for Vader not whooping his ass again.
Even anakin in the prequels; if we didnt already know the outcome, you'd have to think its 50/50 going into the battle on Mustafar.
Right now, I don't see how you could perceive a battle between Kylon and Rey as anything better than 20/80 in favor of Rey.
Also, forget the emipre, who's backing the first order and where are they getting all these ships and personell? In TFA, we were told they were a fringe remmnant of the old empire. Now, they can lose their whole base and army, but are back to near full strength in less than days. I mean, TLJ takes place immediately following TFA.
Maybe the galaxy should go evil. There seems to be an overabundant supply of people willing to sign up and join them at the drop of a hat.
The TLJ should have been about both sides rebuilding. But all we got is a crappy and pointless story about arms dealers.
Yes, lots was unexpected. That doesn't make it good storytelling.
I thought he was lame in TFA. I would agreed with you 100% prior to seeing this movie. Now I see where they are going with him (or maybe the writer(s) of TLJ improved it.. not sure). He is an unhinged wannabe who aspires to be something that he will never be. It's sorta like the Commodus trying to fill the shoes of his father Marcus Aurelius (from Roman Empire.. not just the movie). His ambition, ruthlessness, and lack of sympathy for anybody is what made him fearful. Not his personal fighting skills.jamaggie06 said:
BTW, the new bad guy has now been beaten by an untrained girl twice. What exactly have we seen Kylo Ren do that should make us (the audience) fear him?
Don't get me wrong, I think Adam Driver is one of the best parts of the movie (same with TFA). But this movie was bad. Nonsesnical and pointless plots.
I mean, sure, it'd be "differenr" and "non-formulaic" for Batman to be able to fy and Robin to be a better crime fighter. Doesn't mean it makes for a good story.