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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/sorry-but-disney-doesnt-care-about-fans-trolling-star-wars-the-last-jedis-score-on-rotten-tomatoes-a156415

- speaking to the low RT audience scores possibly being bot trolling. Article also brings up that all other film review avenues have a positive ranking for the film.

Similar article was brought up several pages back, but got lost in the "movie sucks" echo chamber looks like. Meanwhile someone is trying to claim some of the positive reviews are fake....guess it should be lower than 56%?


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DartAg1970 said:

I have not read every single post here. I have seen a couple people mention Luke's blue saber during his Force projection.

I could be not remembering it correctly, but it was obviously blue, but to me the hilt didn't even remotely resemble Anakin's. Yes it appeared to be chrome, but the structure of it just didn't look the same to me.

I thought it was pretty clear that perhaps his iconic green saber was destroyed after the fight with Kylo at the Academy. and then in his solitude he constructed a new saber. Even though as we find out its all a mental image so he didn't actually construct a new one, but I never got the impression that it was supposed to be the original Anakin lightsaber.
would be cool if Kylo got it and used 2 lightsabers to destroy the Jedi academy then kept it. in reality, I doubt we get any explanation.

and for the record, I hated Benicio Del Toro's speech tick. Reminded me of Ben Stiller.
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vwbug said:

The fact Lucas Film people have to send out tweets like below is a great indication they failed in telling a good story:


If he's saying that the Canto Bight shenanigans moved the plot forward by endangering the escape plan put in motion by Holdo and Leia, then that reallllly underscores how ****ing terrible that whole waste of time was.
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americathegreat1492 said:

vwbug said:

The fact Lucas Film people have to send out tweets like below is a great indication they failed in telling a good story:


If he's saying that the Canto Bight shenanigans moved the plot forward by endangering the escape plan put in motion by Holdo and Leia, then that reallllly underscores how ****ing terrible that whole waste of time was.
There are more - Pablo is in full damage control mode on twitter. It's obvious they got a little big in the head and didn't think TLJ through. It backfired.
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vwbug said:

The fact Lucas Film people have to send out tweets like below is a great indication they failed in telling a good story:




Andi Gutierrez is jumping into the fray too. I think some feelings are hurt in LF. The more I think about some of the decisions, the number 1 goal must have been to surprise fans; not tell a coherent story that makes sense to the overall direction of the trilogy. In fact, I keep going back to it. It's like they were so obsessed with nobody's theory being right that they went out of their way for the entire script. I fully believe Rian now when he said the story team at Lucasfilm does not interfere with the script.
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Trying not to be a **** here, but it's obvious you don't get it. It's fine to not like the story choices, but you clearly are missing Pablo's point and the point of that storyline. Maybe that's the storyteller's fault, but I like how this movie isn't "on the nose".
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After reading every post on this thread, I wish they either:

A) Not included Luke, Leia, and Han
B) Not made another trilogy.

While there are plenty of things wrong with TLJ, I don't think TLJ even stood a chance at being considered a good movie. Here are a few reasons I think why:

1) The TFA was initially liked by almost everyone - then it dive bombed after time because it was dissected to find every possibility of a flaw and hint at the next movie.

2) For TWO years people have talked about what they would like to see in TLJ. Taking visuals, tweets, and information from other sources, people crafted a "this would be awesome if it happened in TLJ" mindset that was bound to set up for disappointment.

3) This is a bridge movie between to the finale. ESB couldn't be considered the best of the OT when it released because ROTJ hadn't even come out. It's still entirely possible the finale brings TLJ up a few levels.

4) Star Wars is the most critiqued franchise on the planet. As long as this fact remains, no movie connected to the OT will withstand the expectations.

I actually agree with a lot of the criticisms - but, I don't care. This movie was never going to be an Oscar winner. The highs in this movie, to me, far outweigh the lows - yes, even flying Leia. I personally love that this movie did not rehash ESB and presented true change.

I love that we are set up to go in an entirely new direction with a new understanding of what the force is. Obviously we are going to have a First Order/Rebellion rematch, but how we get there will be fun I think.

I enjoyed TLJ quite a bit. And as to how can I enjoy this "abomination" of a movie? I didn't need this to be Good Will Hunting or Saving Private Ryan. I just need this to be a movie about fighting in space, see some characters develop, and be left with some intriguing questions about the future.
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Saul Goodman said:

Trying not to be a **** here, but it's obvious you don't get it. It's fine to not like the story choices, but you clearly are missing Pablo's point and the point of that storyline. Maybe that's the storyteller's fault, but I like how this movie isn't "on the nose".
If you have to explain your story after the fact on twitter with the preface "pro-tip" (should we bow down?) then yes, you failed to tell the story correctly in the movie - they screwed up, probably know it, but don't care - they are making a lot of money regardless.
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agracer said:

bobinator said:

It's way down the list for me, but the fact that this whole interaction happened off-screen is higher on the list. Like, this moment where Luke turns on Kylo has shaped everything that's going on right now. It caused the death of Han Solo, it caused Leia to lose her son and the man she loves (both because he went back into smuggling and later because he died), it caused Luke Skywalker to go into hiding. So this moment has huge ramifications for everyone, and we don't really get to see what caused it.
The First Order would be there regardless of Kylo Ren. Snoke was in back ground all along.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I'm saying. I'm just talking about the characters that are at the core of this story.
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Saw it yesterday and am very much unsure how I feel about it so far.

On top of what most people have said bothered them, I was also irked by a few nit-picky, and maybe nerdy, things:

- Why was the resistance "bomber fleet" made up of these slow, over-sized and under-armored ships instead of the traditional Y-wings or even B-wings, which were replacing the much older Y-wings in ROTJ? Also, bombs being affected by gravity... in space?

- Why didn't they use the cruiser to fly between Snoke's ship and the transports to block the shots. It probably would've been able to block the shots long enough for the transports to get out of range, or far enough that slight evasive flying would've made them hard to hit at that distance. This also wouldn't have even required any type of cloaking. Also, why weren't they flying the transports evasively at all? They aren't fighters, no doubt, but at that distance, slightly changes in direction every second or so would've made then very hard to hit.

- Admiral Holdo should've told her fighter wing commander the plan. Her hubris caused the death of everyone on those transports, IMO.

- Maz employs union workers in her famous, 1000-year-old, middle-of-nowhere cantina? Really?

- Rolled my eyes at the "worst people in the galaxy" comment, that just goes to show rich people. Oh ya, they also deal weapons we find out after a few minutes, but the wink-wink to the progressive crowd had already been made.

- Why would the Empire/First Order have or need weapon dealers? There are 2-3 manufacturers that design and make all the ships for the Empire/First Order. The Empire (and presumably the First Order, judging by how they use the same ships) controlled many of the means of production for their craft. They wouldn't have weapons dealers. On the other hand, the rebels would be expected to use weapon dealers, especially for the craft they fly that are more widely used around the galaxy (e.g. Y-wings, X-wings).

- Too many new characters being given prominent roles and not enough time spent on known characters. Admiral Holdo's role should've been given to Akbar. Snoke and Phasma not given any back story and essentially wasted. Rose should not have existed in the story. I wasn't unhappy about Luke's story, but I think there was an opportunity lost to let him go out like a badass.

A lot of this is more nerdy stuff, but it really feels like they didn't have anybody on this project that actually had a large knowledge base built up about the Star Wars galaxy and had simply just read Wikipedia summaries of Star Wars movies. Some of this stuff is built out in the EU, but just because we aren't using the stories from that timeline, doesn't mean we should just ignore the parts of the EU background on how the Galaxy actually worked.
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FTACO97 said:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/sorry-but-disney-doesnt-care-about-fans-trolling-star-wars-the-last-jedis-score-on-rotten-tomatoes-a156415

- speaking to the low RT audience scores possibly being bot trolling. Article also brings up that all other film review avenues have a positive ranking for the film.

Similar article was brought up several pages back, but got lost in the "movie sucks" echo chamber looks like. Meanwhile someone is trying to claim some of the positive reviews are fake....guess it should be lower than 56%?



That might be fake, but there are several youtube channels that I watch SW stuff on, and it's a mixed message. Definitely not the critical masterpiece that is being presented in the reviews.
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Saul Goodman said:

Trying not to be a **** here, but it's obvious you don't get it. It's fine to not like the story choices, but you clearly are missing Pablo's point and the point of that storyline. Maybe that's the storyteller's fault, but I like how this movie isn't "on the nose".


It's a Star Wars movie, not a lesson episode in a television series. The problem is it made the movie disjointed and often boring. How the hell can a Star Wars movie be boring? We just found out.
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Beat40 said:

While there are plenty of things wrong with TLJ, I don't think TLJ even stood a chance at being considered a good movie. Here are a few reasons I think why:
I think you have some good points, but I disagree with this premise in part because it's pretty close to being a good movie. Could it have ever pleased everyone? No, probably not, but there is a lot that's good with it.

If you take out the entire Canto Bight/Codebreaker/Rose & Finn storyline, then it's probably a good movie already. Not a great one, it would still have some flaws, but a good one. I think we could have given Finn a reason to fight that didn't involve drunken slapstick humor and a CGI horse race through a town.
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AcctAg11 said:



- Too many new characters being given prominent roles and not enough time spent on known characters. Admiral Holdo's role should've been given to Akbar. Snoke and Phasma not given any back story and essentially wasted. Rose should not have existed in the story. I wasn't unhappy about Luke's story, but I think there was an opportunity lost to let him go out like a badass.

I only want to comment on the part in bold.

While I think him becoming one the the force ultimately wasn't my favorite way to see him leave the screen, I don't think he's done for Episdoe 9.

Also, what Luke did WAS go out like a badass. What we saw him do was easily the greatest feat of using the force we have ever seen in the galaxy. Force projecting across the galaxy to where everyone thought it was the real Luke - that was badass.

Everyone says Rey is already too strong in the force. However, Luke explains to her that the force is in everyone and in everything. He already said she has a strength in power he has only seen once before. Given all of that - the only thing we've really seen her use the force for is to pull a light saber across a room. Hell, the force meetings were driven by Snoke.

What we saw Luke do with the force is leaps and bounds above Rey and Kylo. Rey and Kylo are novices in the force compared to Luke.
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bobinator said:

Beat40 said:

While there are plenty of things wrong with TLJ, I don't think TLJ even stood a chance at being considered a good movie. Here are a few reasons I think why:
I think you have some good points, but I disagree with this premise in part because it's pretty close to being a good movie. Could it have ever pleased everyone? No, probably not, but there is a lot that's good with it.

If you take out the entire Canto Bight/Codebreaker/Rose & Finn storyline, then it's probably a good movie already. Not a great one, it would still have some flaws, but a good one. I think we could have given Finn a reason to fight that didn't involve drunken slapstick humor and a CGI horse race through a town.
So, I agree with you a lot here on the Canto Bight/Codebreaker/Rose & Finn storyline. I would have rather had a buddy cop moment with Poe and Finn. Just would have been way more fun.

However, I thike Cano Bight piece alone isn't such a bad part to the story. I actually liked that the one in a million hero's plan failed.

I also like that we see a different side to the universe. I think it would be accepted better if in stead of the codebreaker, Poe would have had to secretly send a rescue team to them or some rebellion sympathizers could have flown them back to the fleet / crate.

I also happen to think that for a lot of the negatives being hated on in this movie, there are some positives for the exact same scene - the Canto Bight piece being one of them. The resolution to that piece is just what sets it against being overall positive.
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I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan, and I thought it was a fine movie. B-
Positives
  • Poe's arc was my favorite, loved his growth.
  • I loved everything after Rey left Luke's island except the Casino plot
  • Dreadnaught opening was good
  • Great visuals

Negatives
  • It felt like 3 or four movies crammed into one. There's a great and shorter movie in here somewhere.
  • The sequences on Luke's Island could have been much shorter. I thought it really dragged here and I got pretty bored.
  • I thought most of what BB-8 did and some of the side stuff going on at the casino were very "prequelish"
  • Let's use the trope three times of having one person distract the bad guys while everyone else escapes. C'mon man.
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man, i can't believe this thread is already at 39 pages.

overall, i liked it a lot. there are obviously some flaws, but the good dramatically outweighed the bad for me.

i haven't read all 39 pages, so sorry if this has been discussed, but is this the first time we've seen a force ghost (Yoda) physically interact with the real world? if so, maybe we'll still get that "Luke is a beast" moment in episode 9.
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Beat40 said:


However, I thike Cano Bight piece alone isn't such a bad part to the story. I actually liked that the one in a million hero's plan failed.

I also like that we see a different side to the universe. I think it would be accepted better if in stead of the codebreaker, Poe would have had to secretly send a rescue team to them or some rebellion sympathizers could have flown them back to the fleet / crate.

I also happen to think that for a lot of the negatives being hated on in this movie, there are some positives for the exact same scene - the Canto Bight piece being one of them. The resolution to that piece is just what sets it against being overall positive.
I didn't mind that their plan failed, I just hated everything about that part of the movie.

For one, I just hated the way it looked. It looked like something out of the prequels. Now, this might be because I saw it in 3D, so maybe this isn't as noticeable in 2D, but the amount of CGI used in the Canto Bight scenes just seemed out of place in this movie which I thought otherwise had really good effects. The "on the horse running through town" bit was akin to the absurd barrel scene in The Hobbit. Like the whole time I found myself thinking "what is even happening here?"

But two, the entire plot was weird. They had to find a codebreaker, and it either ended up being a different codebreaker or Maz's plan the entire time was to have them get thrown in jail where this guy always is? Also, his character was trash. Like nothing about the plot involving Canto Bight makes any sense at all, and it all ends up being completely unnecessary.

But, I do get that they wanted to give Finn a reason to fight. I liked "the message" of the Canto Bight scenes, it was just the execution.
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jackie childs said:

i haven't read all 39 pages, so sorry if this has been discussed, but is this the first time we've seen a force ghost (Yoda) physically interact with the real world? if so, maybe we'll still get that "Luke is a beast" moment in episode 9.
In the movies, yes, and I think that last bit is exactly why it happened. To show Luke (and the audience) that he still has a part to play even though he's now one with the force.
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AcctAg11 said:

Also, bombs being affected by gravity... in space?
Ship crews don't float inside their ships, so presumably some gravity-like force field affects objects inside the ship, including the bombs. So they would start falling and accelerate until leaving the influence of the "gravity" field, at which point they'd continue downward at nearly constant velocity.
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The more I think about this movie, the more I am reminded of "Snowpiercer"

(Note: I HATED/LOATHED Snowpiercer)
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Beat40 said:

After reading every post on this thread, I wish they either:

A) Not included Luke, Leia, and Han
B) Not made another trilogy.

While there are plenty of things wrong with TLJ, I don't think TLJ even stood a chance at being considered a good movie. Here are a few reasons I think why:

1) The TFA was initially liked by almost everyone - then it dive bombed after time because it was dissected to find every possibility of a flaw and hint at the next movie.

2) For TWO years people have talked about what they would like to see in TLJ. Taking visuals, tweets, and information from other sources, people crafted a "this would be awesome if it happened in TLJ" mindset that was bound to set up for disappointment.

3) This is a bridge movie between to the finale. ESB couldn't be considered the best of the OT when it released because ROTJ hadn't even come out. It's still entirely possible the finale brings TLJ up a few levels.

4) Star Wars is the most critiqued franchise on the planet. As long as this fact remains, no movie connected to the OT will withstand the expectations.

I actually agree with a lot of the criticisms - but, I don't care. This movie was never going to be an Oscar winner. The highs in this movie, to me, far outweigh the lows - yes, even flying Leia. I personally love that this movie did not rehash ESB and presented true change.

I love that we are set up to go in an entirely new direction with a new understanding of what the force is. Obviously we are going to have a First Order/Rebellion rematch, but how we get there will be fun I think.

I enjoyed TLJ quite a bit. And as to how can I enjoy this "abomination" of a movie? I didn't need this to be Good Will Hunting or Saving Private Ryan. I just need this to be a movie about fighting in space, see some characters develop, and be left with some intriguing questions about the future.
Most of the complaints center around the useless Finn/Rose Plot, and the idiocy of the cocktail dress admiral. Both that side quest and the admiral were utterly useless to the story.

And NO ONE expected an Oscar winner. We expected a good story, good dialog, some great action and our Hero's would have a purpose. Other than Ray and Luke (kind of), none of the hero's did anything of significance.
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Canto Bight was an abomination. Needed to be cut.

I could buy the secrecy from Holdo if they had sold her as an incompetent leader, but they didn't. They alluded to her past successful commands and Leia who is beyond reproach supports her and blasts her way out of med-bay to demonstrate it, which actually makes the whole secrecy bit even more dumbfounding. The secrecy not being believable is what makes the whole Canto Bight side story make no sense. That's on top of the cgi running of the bulls.
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I am an "old" (48 years old and saw SW in the old theater in Sugarland in 1977 when it originally came out) and I loved this movie.

The scenes with Finn and Rose were designed to put the notion of a romantic relationship between Finn and Rae to rest. So thankfully we won't be repeating the same love triangle thing from the OT. You have to have some bonding/connection thing between them and that was it. Plus the Canto Bight stuff was designed to actually show for the first time that the universe is not just a bunch of poor sack cloth wearing working class povs but that there was a huge chunk of the population that doesn't give a crap about the rebellion or the empire/first order. And we have never really seen that aspect of the universe portrayed in any of the movies. I helps explain why when the resistance sends out their distress call to their "friends", no one shows up. Most people (as is true today) can't be bothered to give a damn about much of anything that doesn't directly impact them personally.

Luke's battle with Kylo is terrific as well. He uses the thing that will always be the downfall of the Sith/darkside: emotion. Kylo is so emotionally involved in killing Luke (for personal rather than strategic reason like Snoke) that he ignores the evidence (no footprints, looks younger, survives the fusillade from the walkers) and actually puts off the attack on the base to have a one on one with a ghost.

Also, this time Luke actually saves the day using ONLY the Force. No x-wing, no light saber, just using the force to project himself to strengthen (and say goodbye to) his friends and defeat his enemies. It strikes me that a jedi's use of the force is his most powerful weapon, and Luke defeating Kylo in this way is a huge statement about his power and abilities as a Jedi. Can anyone else claim to have used the force in this way and to that effect?

Also, when did Luke get the reputation for being the baddest Jedi ever? He basically was the only Jedi left but that alone doesn't put him in the pantheon of badass Jedis. The expectation that Luke was some sort of ass kicking Jedi that could wipe out the first order with a swipe of his hand seems unsupported. I admit I am no rabid fan but I don't think the movies support this notion.

The notion that what Kylo told Rey about her parent's background was the truth seems to me to be farcical, particularly for real fans. He told her what she was most afraid of in order to manipulate her to joining him. "You're really a nobody. I'm a somebody, but not you. And no one will believe in a nobody. But I will. I think you're awesome. Join me and you can be somebody." It's a photo negative of the way Snoke treats Kylo earlier. He insults him and plays on his fears that he is weak because of his connection to his family. He doesn't need whiny "nobody understands me" Anakin, he needs pissed off rage monkey Kylo that is driven by his rage to do what Snoke wants him to do. The dark side and the sith are all about manipulation and fear. She fears she is alone and a nobody and he tries to use that to manipulate her decision making.

The last scene with the kid was as much a message to the olds like me as it was a statement of hope. The future (of the franchise, of the stories, of the money coming in) are the kids. The primary audience in 1977 was kids and going forward it still is. This isn't The Godfather in space.

Hence Luke's speech to Kylo. The rebellion is reborn today. It's small but it has stopped fighting yesterday's fight and has kicked over the traces with new heros and new villains. Reboot time. Let the past die. Obi Wan, Luke, Han, Leia, Yoda, the old Jedi order, the empire and the republic are gone. New heros, new bad guys, new struggles and stories.

We put the band back together and then ran it's tour bus off the side of a cliff. Going forward we are not nearly as beholden to the past as we have been. Let the past die.
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OCEN99 said:

AcctAg11 said:

Also, bombs being affected by gravity... in space?
Ship crews don't float inside their ships, so presumably some gravity-like force field affects objects inside the ship, including the bombs. So they would start falling and accelerate until leaving the influence of the "gravity" field, at which point they'd continue downward at nearly constant velocity.


Fair point, but the ordinance technology on the galaxy has far exceeded the need to even drop dumb-bombs from directly overhead of the target to begin with. While I have no problem with the strategy and trade off (I will gladly lose 5 bombers and some fighter escorts to knock out a dreadnaught any day, even with the Resistance's limited capacity to acquire more), the technology of the movie (and of TFA) has bothered me in a nerdy way haha. It just seems like the design choices were made by someone who neither 1) Understands military technology and doctrine, or 2) has anything more than a basic, movie-level knowledge of Star Wars.

They could use these small details to show progress from the original trilogy and build on what we know, it instead it seems like they go in just about every other direction.

Stupid complaint, I know. But for me, it makes it hard to get immersed into the universe when the smaller details don't seem consistent or even somewhat logical with what had already existed.
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pagerman @ work said:

The notion that what Kylo told Rey about her parent's background was the truth seems to me to be farcical, particularly for real fans. He told her what she was most afraid of in order to manipulate her to joining him. "You're really a nobody. I'm a somebody, but not you. And no one will believe in a nobody. But I will. I think you're awesome. Join me and you can be somebody." It's a photo negative of the way Snoke treats Kylo earlier. He insults him and plays on his fears that he is weak because of his connection to his family. He doesn't need whiny "nobody understands me" Anakin, he needs pissed off rage monkey Kylo that is driven by his rage to do what Snoke wants him to do. The dark side and the sith are all about manipulation and fear. She fears she is alone and a nobody and he tries to use that to manipulate her decision making.
I'll leave the rest of your post alone, again, different strokes for different folks and if you liked it that's fine, but Rian Johnson said in an interview that what Kylo told Rey is true. Or at least that Kylo thinks it's true.

"I don't think he's lying in that momentI think he is like telling what he saw and I think that Rey seems like she believes it in that moment. So for me, I wrote it as an honest revelation and as an honest kind of reaction to it, as opposed to a move in a game of chess.

"Now as we know in these movies, you know the whole idea of a certain point of view comes into play and as you know I'm not involved in writing the next movie. JJ [Abrams] and Chris [Terrio] are writing it so, I want to make it clear I'm not sure how it's going to get resolved. For me, the important part was saying it was an emotionally honest revelation, I feel like it, I don't know, I believed it."

That obviously leaves open the door that it ends up being a lie, but to me that would be stupid.

Like you said, half the point of this movie was to move on from the past, so Rey's parentage being some sort of big reveal in the third movie definitely seems backward-facing.
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One thing I'm absolutely certain of is that they wanted to leave open that Kylo could conceivably end up as a good guy again which is why I think they scrapped the idea of Kylo and Luke actually having a showdown. If he would have actually killed him, then there's no way he could conceivably become a good guy again, but he didn't.

I also think this was a decision that was made very late in the process. I don't know that for sure, but that's my wild speculation.
I'm starting to believe most decisions were left late in the process.

This movie is driving me nuts....I want to like it, and I feel like I should like it, but it makes me so angry....
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I've only seen TLJ once to this point, but I find it interesting that the movie is bugging me so much since I saw it last Friday. At one point I'm thinking, yeah, it was a good movie, and then I'm thinking it could have been so much better. So many things happening that I did not expect, or that I view as a waste of potential.

I'm going to focus in on something another poster wrote a few posts above, in that when The Empire Strikes Back came out in 1980, there was no way fans would have considered it the best of the OT (as is now the case, I believe) because Return of the Jedi had not yet been released. I am hoping that JJ Abrams wraps everything up in Episode IX to such a degree that will point out a greatness in TLJ that simply is not evident at this point.

But for the time being, my Star Wars ranking is now ...

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Rogue One
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Return of the Jedi
6. The Force Awakens
7. The Last Jedi
8. Attack of the Clones
9. The Phantom Menace

The wasted potential of TLJ is Snoke. Who was he? How did he become so all powerful (yet not so all powerful to not see that lightsaber moving on his chair?) I also cannot seem to get past an opportunity that they seemed to have punted on, in that of having Kylo and Rey join forces for dark. I really thought that was the direction they were going when Kylo killed Snoke and they fought together against the Royal Guard.
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Can't wait for forty years from now when Rey is a washed-up old bitter woman on some deserted planet and a young boy barely trained in the force shows up to kick her ass and teach her a thing or two about courage and what it means to be a real Jedi.
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I assumed the bombers were not ideal, but they were working with what is available.
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My issue with comparing this to ESB is that ANH didn't set up a bunch of questions like TFA did. Even if Episode IX comes out and reward us by answering everything, TLJ will just be filler between the two other movies that didn't really move the plot forward.
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CJS4715 said:

I assumed the bombers were not ideal, but they were working with what is available.
Yeah, I'm also not sure why anyone cares about this particular point and some similar ones. There have always been some liberties taken with the technology of Star Wars just for the sake of the story. They're fun to talk about, but they don't really affect if I liked the movie or not.

Like, if one ship going at light speed can rip apart the entire imperial fleet nearby, then why even worry about having bombers. Just has a bunch of light-speed-capable ships nearby at all times. The resistance should save money on bombs and weapons and just be scouring the galaxy for the biggest ships with hyperdrives they can find and stripping them down and installing auto-pilot systems.
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My issue with comparing this to ESB is that ANH didn't set up a bunch of questions like TFA did. Even if Episode IX comes out and reward us by answering everything, TLJ will just be filler between the two other movies that didn't really move the plot forward.
Completely agree. It does nothing for the new trilogy. I couldn't believe it after seeing it twice.
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Why do I feel like the next movie is going to be worse because they're going to be trying to fill in a reason for all the useless crap of this movie because they never had a plan to begin with.

It's the TV show Lost all over; beginning "this is interesting", Middle "huh", end "well that sucked".

I think at the end of the day, they introduced two new big characters to the story. Cocktail Dress and Rose. I didn't care about either one and they were completely useless to the entire plot of the movie.

In ESB, Lando and Yoda were introduced. Thinks about that for second.
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bobinator said:


The resistance should save money on bombs and weapons and just be scouring the galaxy for the biggest ships with hyperdrives they can find and stripping them down and installing auto-pilot systems.
They don't have those, remember. That's why Cocktail Dress had to stay behind.....
 
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