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And yet, he couldn't sense that Kyle was manipulating the lightsaber right beside him because he was... too focused on narrating Rey's death?
dromo07 said:
the real question is... why aren't Snokes or Kylos eyes yellow?
80s Guy said:Quote:
And yet, he couldn't sense that Kyle was manipulating the lightsaber right beside him because he was... too focused on narrating Rey's death?
You mean like the Emperor was when he was focused on Luke just before Vader tossed him over the rail into the reactor core (or whatever the hell it was)?
dromo07 said:
the real question is... why aren't Snokes or Kylos eyes yellow?
Mark did say publicly he disagreed with Rian's direction for his character, have to wonder if he had other comments during shooting. If anyone seems to have a feel for what Star Wars is and how to be faithful to that while also passing on the torch to the next generation, it's that guy. Personally, if they wanted to kill Snoke, why not just have a master-apprentice duel with Luke/Snoke and Rey/Kylo. Hell, they could've even kept the whole force-time subplot and had Kylo turn on Snoke at the last second during the duel if they wanted to do something "bold" and "risky." Have Luke take a mortal wound in the duel. You get to see Luke use his lightsaber, we get an actual lightsaber battle, and you get to keep your "boldness" and also pass the torch on.Urban Ag said:
I kind of think any further involvement with Hamill will be very limited. As much as I love the guy, I get this feeling he was a pain in the ass for Rian and the writers to deal with. Luke's incredibly limited showing in TFA and abrupt ending in TLJ could have been somewhat influenced by that. Who knows.
All of them followed! Man...they really hate that ship!CJS4715 said:
One more random thought, I've already said that I enjoyed Kylo Ren the most. I think my favorite moment was how pissed Kylo got when he saw the Falcon. My wife and I both let out a pretty nice LOL in the theater.
Except that in that case the Emperor was at least using the force lightning to hurt Luke, so he really was focusing the force for a reason. And we've already seen that using that level of the force takes a physical toll on the emperor.80s Guy said:Quote:
And yet, he couldn't sense that Kyle was manipulating the lightsaber right beside him because he was... too focused on narrating Rey's death?
You mean like the Emperor was when he was focused on Luke just before Vader tossed him over the rail into the reactor core (or whatever the hell it was)?
Kylo wasn't lying in his thoughts. Snoke just misinterpreted them. The "kill your mortal enemy" part was 100% true in Kylo's mind.bobinator said:Except that in that case the Emperor was at least using the force lightning to hurt Luke, so he really was focusing the force for a reason. And we've already seen that using that level of the force takes a physical toll on the emperor.80s Guy said:Quote:
And yet, he couldn't sense that Kyle was manipulating the lightsaber right beside him because he was... too focused on narrating Rey's death?
You mean like the Emperor was when he was focused on Luke just before Vader tossed him over the rail into the reactor core (or whatever the hell it was)?
Snoke wasn't doing anything except holding Rey in place, which he's already shown to be able to do extremely easily.
But he was narrating Kylo's actions, so he was reading his thoughts right? And you can't like, lie in your thoughts. That's what was weird about that scene to me. If you're thinking "I'm going to be moving both of these light sabers at once, and then activate the other one" someone reading your thoughts would know that. Does that make sense, like you can't fake think, that's not how thinking works.
But so they basically built up Snoke as this hyper powerful force user, only for him to get hoodwinked the very first time we see him in person.
Kylo caught him monologue'ing...bobinator said:
And yet, he couldn't sense that Kyle was manipulating the lightsaber right beside him because he was... too focused on narrating Rey's death?
americathegreat1492 said:Mark did say publicly he disagreed with Rian's direction for his character, have to wonder if he had other comments during shooting. If anyone seems to have a feel for what Star Wars is and how to be faithful to that while also passing on the torch to the next generation, it's that guy. Personally, if they wanted to kill Snoke, why not just have a master-apprentice duel with Luke/Snoke and Rey/Kylo. Hell, they could've even kept the whole force-time subplot and had Kylo turn on Snoke at the last second during the duel if they wanted to do something "bold" and "risky." Have Luke take a mortal wound in the duel. You get to see Luke use his lightsaber, we get an actual lightsaber battle, and you get to keep your "boldness" and also pass the torch on.Urban Ag said:
I kind of think any further involvement with Hamill will be very limited. As much as I love the guy, I get this feeling he was a pain in the ass for Rian and the writers to deal with. Luke's incredibly limited showing in TFA and abrupt ending in TLJ could have been somewhat influenced by that. Who knows.
Hamill has been quoted as saying that he disagreed with the direction of Luke. But he also said that it was his job as an actor to portray the directors vision of the character as best as he possibly could. That leads me to believe Hamill may have been disapproving but also cooperative.Macarthur said:americathegreat1492 said:Mark did say publicly he disagreed with Rian's direction for his character, have to wonder if he had other comments during shooting. If anyone seems to have a feel for what Star Wars is and how to be faithful to that while also passing on the torch to the next generation, it's that guy. Personally, if they wanted to kill Snoke, why not just have a master-apprentice duel with Luke/Snoke and Rey/Kylo. Hell, they could've even kept the whole force-time subplot and had Kylo turn on Snoke at the last second during the duel if they wanted to do something "bold" and "risky." Have Luke take a mortal wound in the duel. You get to see Luke use his lightsaber, we get an actual lightsaber battle, and you get to keep your "boldness" and also pass the torch on.Urban Ag said:
I kind of think any further involvement with Hamill will be very limited. As much as I love the guy, I get this feeling he was a pain in the ass for Rian and the writers to deal with. Luke's incredibly limited showing in TFA and abrupt ending in TLJ could have been somewhat influenced by that. Who knows.
Where did you see this?
I actually read that Hamill was wowed by the script.
I find a lot of these criticisms the leavings of a large farm animal. The movie is not perfect, but neither were the original three.
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Also, how could Snoke not know where Luke was if he was able to find Rey and connect her with Kylo?
I agree with this, but I do also agree it's an odd choice by Luke. So was making his force projection look better groomed than his actual self. "I need to look good for this" seems like a weird thought for a Jedi.Ag Since 83 said:
I think a) it was a hint to the audience paying attention, and b) a sign of just how blinded by anger Kylo was. Not sloppy writing
I am still under the opinion that Rey and Kylo were connecting to each other and Snoke was interfering with their dialogue/discussion. I don't believe that Snoke was orchestrating the connection. This is the big reason that I still think that Kylo and Rey are siblings.hurleyag said:
Also, how could Snoke not know where Luke was if he was able to find Rey and connect her with Kylo?
I took it as the projection represented how he saw himself - maybe a bit younger, dressed as a Jedi, using the lightsaber he was most familiar with.bobinator said:I agree with this, but I do also agree it's an odd choice by Luke. So was making his force projection look better groomed than his actual self. "I need to look good for this" seems like a weird thought for a Jedi.Ag Since 83 said:
I think a) it was a hint to the audience paying attention, and b) a sign of just how blinded by anger Kylo was. Not sloppy writing
(To be clear, this isn't something that really even registered on the bothered me scale, just thought it was odd)
Eh... in the grand scheme of things he barely had the blue lightsaber. He had the green one for WAY longer.Ark03 said:
maybe a bit younger, dressed as a Jedi, using the lightsaber he was most familiar with.
I agree with all of those, and I like it for Ren's character (which I has basically no problems with at all.) And I can admit that it's my own fault for expecting more from/about Snoke. But like the moment it happened my reaction wasn't "Holy **** that was awesome..." it was "Really? That's it for Snoke?"Ulrich said:
I think Snoke was killed so easily because he was blinded by pride and because Kylo Ren's strength is deception. I think that was his plan going in and he was prepared to show Snoke the interpretation of his thoughts Snoke expected to see. Snoke was too arrogant to bother really searching because he couldn't even consider the possibility that Ren would attack him. Remember, Snoke thinks Ren is extremely powerful, yet Ren is obviously not that great at combat. Deception is his power, and I think a lot of his indecision and mental weakness has been a smokescreen... a Snokescreen.
It was a textbook Sith way to achieve power.
Like a lot of things with the force some focus is required, and I'm guessing that used a considerable amount of focus. An amount that he probably wasn't able to necessarily muster while fighting off four guys.SheriffBarclay said:
Also, kylo was freezing people in place left and right in TFA. Are we supposed to believe he just forgot how to do this during the throne room battle with the imperial guards?
And Vader was choking *****es left and right before he decided to weakly toss objects at Luke... the finer points of using which force powers when have never been super consistent.SheriffBarclay said:
Also, kylo was freezing people in place left and right in TFA. Are we supposed to believe he just forgot how to do this during the throne room battle with the imperial guards?
It's the one he learned with, and had held most recently? I don't know if there is much more to it than that, although seeing the green one (that he built) would have been pretty meaningful as well.bobinator said:Eh... in the grand scheme of things he barely had the blue lightsaber. He had the green one for WAY longer.Ark03 said:
maybe a bit younger, dressed as a Jedi, using the lightsaber he was most familiar with.
