Dekker_Lentz said:

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terrible fanboy idea.

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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If I was going to let my inner fan boy out, I would make Episodes 1-6 be the rise and fall of Darth Vader. Episodes 1-9, the Rise and Fall of Emperor Palpatine. I would have made Snoke and Rey clones of the Emperor and that they were sort of contingent plans. Obviously more would need to go into it, but something Along those lines.

Then I would set up the last standalone movie, to be Palpatine's story with Plagious, why he did what he did in the prequels, and the sequels. Maybe make that a trilogy, but I don't think it is necessary.

Just my .02 terrible fanboy idea.

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2. There Is No Gravity In Space. The opening sequence features bombers dropping explosives on a First Order dreadnought. It's a cool scene. But the bombers literally drop explosives in space. That's not a thing, guys.

3. Snoke Is A Throwaway. In the last film, JJ Abrams made a big deal out of this Snoke guy. Now, I'm not a fellow who spends a lot of time googling whether Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis or whether he's Mace Windu. But if you're going to build up a big baddie who has the power to seduce Kylo Ren to the Dark Side, completely override Rey's force abilities, and threaten Luke, you've got to tell us who the heck he is. And then he's dispatched in particularly easy fashion by Kylo Ren. It's satisfying to see him go, but he can't be that scary if Kylo Ren can take him out by activating a light saber.

9. Poe Dameron's Story Arc Is Foolish. Poe is supposed to be newfangled Han Solo. Fail. First off, there is no new Han Solo. Second, Poe is a dolt. And Admiral Laura Dern, working with Leia, has a plan they could easily just tell Poe and solve half the conflict of the plot. Why keep it secret from Poe? We never find out. Instead, Poe runs around like a moron, making stupid plans with Finn that have no actual effect on the plotline.

10. Finn's Storyline Is Useless. Finn should have died at the end of TFA. He should have died at the end of The Last Jedi. Instead, he goes on a random jaunt to Monte Carlo with aliens, and then rides a bunch of camel/horse/kangeroos to freedom while street urchins cheer. It's godawful. Then, finally, when he's about to do something useful, Rose stops him from doing it. Why is he here again, except to have awkward hugs with Rey?


11. Rose Is Useless. Rose is added to the plot to give Finn someone to travel with and develop awkward romance with. But her presence is simply not useful. She doesn't do anything particularly special. She does give Finn a lecture about income inequality, though. So I guess that's something.

12. Social Justice Warrioring On Interplanetary Monte Carlo Is Awful. Awful. In this little jaunt, we learn that income inequality is bad (see, street urchins are riding the magic horsecamels, and that's terrible!), that animal abuse is bad (see, the ugly alien is abusing the magic horsecamels and that's terrible!), and that weapons dealing is bad (yeah, talk to the Rebel Alliance using all those X-Wings). This whole sequence never should have happened.

13. Captain Phasma Is A Nothing. She's apparently a white woman who wears a cool suit, and then Finn a dude who five seconds ago was a janitor beats her. Welp.


14. Luke Shouldn't Have Been A Hologram. Turning Luke into Obi-Wan Kenobe for purposes of the reset makes some sense. But his death made none. Why is it cool for Luke to survive a barrage from AT-ATs if he's not even there? Why is it cool for Luke to best Kylo Ren in a light saber battle if (1) Rey has already done so, and (2) Luke isn't even there? They easily could have brought Luke there, and had him do exactly the same thing, but sacrifice himself or perhaps just fade away in front of Kylo Ren.


16. Light Speed Can't Be Used As A Weapon. You can't destroy ships by flying at them at light speed. If you could, the entire first scene would have been unnecessary (forget the bombers, just shoot an X-wing through that dreadnought), and the Rebel Alliance could have taken down every Death Star ever in the same way.

17. Why Would Luke Try To Kill Kylo? He tried to save Vader after Vader destroyed a planet and cut off his hand. He sensed good in him. He senses evil in Kylo and for a moment wants to kill him? That seems like a mild stretch at best.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Lol.

The absolute hatred for Rian is just preposterous.

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Those big things that are right with the film are more important, in many ways, than the things that are wrong with the film. Rian Johnson, the director, didn't play it safe, and that's great. But he did play it safe by having Kylo return to the Dark Side and turning Rey into an avatar of populism. Those are mistakes that will haunt the franchise. And without Luke and Han and the nostalgia factor, can Star Wars carry forward with the same legacy, without just turning into another Avengers series a fun watch that has no real emotional resonance?

Overall, better than The Force Awakens, which doesn't hold up on repeat, and planted seeds that poisoned The Last Jedi, particularly with regard to Kylo Ren. Not as good as Rogue One, and below Return of the Jedi. It's difficult to imagine how Episode IX can remain interesting with a universe this narrowed and a set of compelling characters reduced to a grand total of two: Kylo and Rey.

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Bruce Almighty said:

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The OT had sinking spaceships and dodging asteroids through an asteroid belt. Why don't people hate on that?

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SeattleAgJr said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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The OT had sinking spaceships and dodging asteroids through an asteroid belt. Why don't people hate on that?

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because it was AWESOME!

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I mean, seriously, all this talk and not one person has even speculated about where episode nine will go. There is literally nothing left to speculate about. This *****bag Johnson screwed over Abrams so bad. And Disney signed him up for a trilogy? The fuq?

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I mean, seriously, all this talk and not one person has even speculated about where episode nine will go. There is literally nothing left to speculate about. This *****bag Johnson screwed over Abrams so bad. And Disney signed him up for a trilogy? The fuq?

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You don't find it the least bit exciting that we have no idea where the story can go from here?

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Bruce Almighty said:

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SeattleAgJr said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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The OT had sinking spaceships and dodging asteroids through an asteroid belt. Why don't people hate on that?

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because it was AWESOME!

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And scientifically impossible. But the second a post OT movie breaks the laws of physics, it's awful.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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People complaining about the bombs falling are absolutely idiotic. Know what else doesn't exist in space? Sound.

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bangobango said:

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Really liked the close of Shapiro's review:

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Those big things that are right with the film are more important, in many ways, than the things that are wrong with the film. Rian Johnson, the director, didn't play it safe, and that's great. But he did play it safe by having Kylo return to the Dark Side and turning Rey into an avatar of populism. Those are mistakes that will haunt the franchise. And without Luke and Han and the nostalgia factor, can Star Wars carry forward with the same legacy, without just turning into another Avengers series a fun watch that has no real emotional resonance?

Overall, better than The Force Awakens, which doesn't hold up on repeat, and planted seeds that poisoned The Last Jedi, particularly with regard to Kylo Ren. Not as good as Rogue One, and below Return of the Jedi. It's difficult to imagine how Episode IX can remain interesting with a universe this narrowed and a set of compelling characters reduced to a grand total of two: Kylo and Rey.

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I disagree where he ranks it. I think this movie is going to make huge, huge problems for this franchise going forward. I think you will see a huge downturn in opening weekend attendance for the next film and I kind of feel sorry for JJ Abrams.

I mean, is anybody excited about where they are going to go with this now?

Rey is already fully realized as a protagonist. She can't really get any more powerful or perfect. She has yet to **** anything up or make any mistakes. She has more wisdom and power than the most powerful Jedi of all time.

They've completely ruined Finn's character. They had a lot of potential with him from the start. A deserter from the First Order was a cool idea and could have really gone some interesting ways, but now I cannot figure out where they are going with him and, unlike at the end of the TFA, I don't care anymore.

Kylo is the big bad. Cool. I think he is by far the most interesting character left, but like Shapiro says, now what? He has killed everyone he wanted to kill and he probably won't or can't kill Rey, so now what? He gets more angry and angsty? He and Hux go back and forth like potluck roommates?

Poe sucks now. Makes nothing but bad decisions. Hard to believe anybody would follow him after he basically got the whole resistance destroyed. And that's if we just completely ignore that he committed open mutiny and should have been executed by any reasonable measure.

Rose ****ing sucks. **** Rose. If they don't kill her off in first ten minutes, then they suck. WTF is the point of Rose, seriously?

I mean, seriously, all this talk and not one person has even speculated about where episode nine will go. There is literally nothing left to speculate about. This *****bag Johnson screwed over Abrams so bad. And Disney signed him up for a trilogy? The fuq?

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YouBet said:

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Dammit, the more I think about this movie the lower my initial 6.5 drops.

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PatAg said:

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seattleag has some serious issues

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SeattleAgJr said:

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PatAg said:

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seattleag has some serious issues

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yes.
#1 on the list... TLJ.

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