*** SW: The Last Jedi - FULL SPOILERS BE IN HERE ***

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SeattleAgJr
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never understood clapping at the end of a movie.

the cast, the writer, the director are not there, like they would be with a play or a concert.
no one of note is hearing your approval.

you are literally just clapping to yourself.
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Two or three nerds clapped for about two seconds in my showing.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

wesag said:

The Last Jedi took risks? When?


When did it play it safe?


Luke is now an Obi Wan analog.
Orphan kid who will become a Jedi. Never saw that before.

Rey is basically young Skywalker.

Cute little critters. Check.

Leia appearance. Check.

Luke. Check.
Chewy
R2d2
Threepio

What else?

Poe is the new Han type character.

Snoke basically replaced the emperor.

Kylo Ren? Hell they even said he is the new Vader.
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I literally laughed out loud at Rose's quote before she died (?): "That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love." Worst line of the movie.
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After that guy said "it's salt", did anyone else think they were going to cut to Kylo Ren complaining that he hates salt cause it gets everywhere?
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So we know there is an episode 9. What other movies are planned in the Star Wars direct line and then what movies are planned as offshoots/back stories (like Rogue One)?
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redd38 said:

After that guy said "it's salt", did anyone else think they were going to cut to Kylo Ren complaining that he hates salt cause it gets everywhere?


Maybe it's just me but the guy right next to the Salt Sayer looked a lot like Gareth Edwards.
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Did anyone else see the ironing scene and think that maybe it was a tribute to Hardware Wars?
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That was him.
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Why didn't that ship get completely destroyed by the one going light speed?
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Nobody clapped.

And why do movies these days need baked in, cutesy, "funny moments?"

To me, the writing was bad. The plot was poorly sequenced. The whole Finn/Rose/casino plot swirl should have been deleted. Why didn't Holdo just tell Poe what the plan was? At some point, especially when telling a story episodically, you have to limit the plot twists. The story already jumps around and that's fine, but part of telling it like that is limiting. But not for these people. And it ruined the story. Hate to compare it to OT, but the twists were limited and impactful: 1) Vader killing Obi 2) Vader tells Luke 3) Vader turns. Through 2 movies, what twists have been really impactful TO THE STORY (not to sentimental middle aged dudes): 1) Snoke dies. That's it. Han and Luke weren't really that impactful to these stories. So them leaving wasn't really that big a deal. He'll, at this point, Leia being killed would be more impactful (and how are they going to kill her off now that Carrie is gone).

The fight on the planet should have been mirrored by the Snoke showdown. That should have been the climatic moment mirrored by Luke having a worthy ending. Instead, you get the Snoke death, then a bunch of other stuff, then Luke. It drags. Then gets weird with Luke back on the island. Then the kids. The end reminded me of LotRs: Return of the King. You have what should have been the big moment, but there's 15 more mins of crap that doesn't really matter.

The entire Luke story is just wrong. Flat. Out. Wrong. The character we see triumphant at the end of RotJ is just a defeated quitter. Ideals vacated. Bitter. And his exchange with Yoda is bizarre because of it. And that ending...wow. Just dies. No real reason. Just gone.

For the first time, I'm really hating the Disney influence. Cpt. Phasma is nothing more than a shiny prop. People try to compare her to Boba Fett, but Fett never was marketed. It was a cult pickup. Phasma has, from day one, been used as a marketing tool. Nothing more. Just look at the Battlefront2 marketing.

I have no desire to see the movie again. And my expectations for 9 are sewer low. My predictions are easy: long, more plot wiggles than a 3 year old in church (to the point of being annoying), with more throwback scenes than relevant moments between key characters.

Rant over.
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I'm watching the end of TFA right now and Ren and Poe are both there watching R2 and BB8 put the map together to find Luke. There are only a few people there.
Why do they not recognize each other in TLJ?
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Looking at the Rotten Tomatoes audience reviews, the positive reviews seem to follow a pattern and I think some are fake.
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One question answered from TFA: Luke / Ben back story. That's it.

I expected much more. As the original trilogies developed, we learned more. This time around we got one answer and more disposable characters than I care to count. And a story that neatly wrapped up. I'm honestly not even that excited about the next one now.

When the best moment of a movie is 10 seconds of silence that's about all you need to know. Over half of the story was centered around a ship slowly running OUT OF GAS.

For me this one's slightly ahead of I and II only because I love the overall Star Wars story. But a big step down from TFA.

Maybe I'll feel differently tomorrow, but that's where I am coming out of my first viewing.
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Fans tried to paint the prequel positively upon release. And it wouldn't surprise me if Disney was robo pumping positive reviews.
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aggiechick said:

I'm watching the end of TFA right now and Ren and Poe are both there watching R2 and BB8 put the map together to find Luke. There are only a few people there.
Why do they not recognize each other in TLJ?
bad writing. poor planning.
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aggiechick said:

I'm watching the end of TFA right now and Ren and Poe are both there watching R2 and BB8 put the map together to find Luke. There are only a few people there.
Why do they not recognize each other in TLJ?


I thought that too! There's no way they didn't meet at the end of TFA.
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Kramer said:

Fans tried to paint the prequel positively upon release. And it wouldn't surprise me if Disney was robo pumping positive reviews.
I hated phantom menace while I was watching it.
all those Gungans....
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You mean it's not because you're
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upset that the franchise's heroes now include women and people of color, and the misogynist, racist, classist, dark side of the populace that's always been present, wielding power in one form or another.
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI WILL BOTHER SOME PEOPLE. GOOD

(I believe the linked article is why critics are in love with it)
SeattleAgJr
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It is obvious Lucasfilm does not have an actual plan.

If you read the making of books for all 3 movies, they even lay that fat out. they do not start with a story outline and go from there. They go from set pieces and move backwards through imaging and mockups.

that is how we end up with things like crystal wolves and canto bight.

in fact ,reading the making of books actually makes me very angry at the wasted opportunities.
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AGinHI said:

You mean it's not because you're
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upset that the franchise's heroes now include women and people of color, and the misogynist, racist, classist, dark side of the populace that's always been present, wielding power in one form or another.
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI WILL BOTHER SOME PEOPLE. GOOD

(I believe the linked article is why critics are in love with it)
not reading SJW garbage.

yes, there are many twitter posts that have to be plants talking about "how awesome it is an Asian woman of color" is a start, such an inspiration, blah blah blah"
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I'll say on the 2nd viewing, it's definitely more enjoyable. The bad stuff is still there but it doesn't surprise you, and it seemed to go by faster this time. Since it didn't drag me down as much, the good stuff really stood out.

RE: Clapping, yesterday there was a good amount of clapping at the end, tonight I don't think there was any at the end. I think that's the way it's been 3 years in a row. Opening night diehards, I guess. Although I did think tonight's crowd was more discerning on laughing at the jokes that worked and not at the ones that didn't
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I've already said what I think about VIII in this thread, but the last thing I have to comment on is:


WHERE IS SNAP WEXLEY?!?!?!?!

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO SNAP WEXLEY????

I'm serious, please help me... does anyone know or have a link to what happened to Snap?
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AGinHI said:

You mean it's not because you're
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upset that the franchise's heroes now include women and people of color, and the misogynist, racist, classist, dark side of the populace that's always been present, wielding power in one form or another.
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI WILL BOTHER SOME PEOPLE. GOOD
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(I believe the linked article is why critics are in love with it)


Damn. What an article.
VanZandt92
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Freaking crystal wolves
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Finn was cheesy through TFA as well but I gave it a pass. Then they teamed him up with Rose and it got even worse.
VanZandt92
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This RT review is a plant:

"

Mark S

December 15, 2017

A very unique Star Wars movie! I thought it was a wonderful movie! It was a very fast paced movie with twists and turns that keep the ride fun and exciting! I absolutely loved the movie! It is the best Star Wars movie to date in my opinion and I would highly recommend it to anyone!"

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VanZandt92 said:

This RT review is a plant:

"

Mark S

December 15, 2017

A very unique Star Wars movie! I thought it was a wonderful movie! It was a very fast paced movie with twists and turns that keep the ride fun and exciting! I absolutely loved the movie! It is the best Star Wars movie to date in my opinion and I would highly recommend it to anyone!"


Other than, "it is the best StarWars movie to date", I'd agree with what they said...

And having said that, I need to see it a few more time before I say if it is or isn't the best StarWars movie to date...
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Are people watching two different movies and we are all being trolled? That is the only way I can understand any of this.
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I would like to know why they cut away from Rey defeating Kylo-and how exactly it happened
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amercer said:

I would like to know why they cut away from Rey defeating Kylo-and how exactly it happened
I assumed they both got knocked out by the lightsaber explosion, she woke up first and then we see Kylo telling Hux she escaped in Snoke's ship.
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The way it's written. It's fake, as are many others.
VanZandt92
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So much wrong with Leia flying in space.
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Been discussing the series with my friends, where we rank all the movies, etc. We all have our nitpicks and criticisms for all the movies, except Empire.

None of us can come up with legit complaints regarding ESB.

Can anyone?
SeattleAgJr
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Really good critique here.

http://starwarsbooks.us/reviews/2017/12/15/tljcritique.html

Spoilers of course.
 
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