Judging from this sneak peek of the new episode, I think it's either Abraham or Maggie now?
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In my view the person killed is . . . Abraham. What's more, Eugene is a traitor. Hear me out. There are a variety of mysterious factoids I have strung together here. Start with the premise that Eugene is a really smart guy, and has become (as is emphasized in this final episode) a survivor. He has figured out how powerful the Saviors are and allied with them because he knows they are the real power and best chance for survival. We also know that Eugene is quite capable of deceiving those close to him, for a long time, to achieve his ends. That's who he teamed up with Abraham to begin with as he played his "if you can just get me to DC I can fix this" virologist con.
The most compelling is that The Saviors were always one step ahead of the good guys. Well, guess who was in charge of the map? You guessed it, Eugene set them on every route they took, routes that ended with Saviors in front of them in progressively greater numbers. Did you notice that Eugene added himself to this mission to The Hilltop at the last minute at his own insistence?
Eugene needs to be separated from the main group before any potential large battle so he isn't hurt in a gun battle crossfire, so who comes up with the plan to separate him from the main group? Eugene does. His plan to set the main group off in dark the rest of the way while Eugene alone diverts the bad guys with the RV should work, unless the Saviors have advance notice of it. It doesn't work as apparently The Saviors do have advance notice. Our heroes blunder on foot into a well laid Savior trap that could only exist if the Saviors had advance notice of what they were doing. That notice came from Eugene.
As the party departs from the RV there is a fake tender moment as the party is convinced Eugene's staying with the RV is a noble, self sacrificing gesture almost certain to get him killed. We then have a private moment with Eugene where his emotions are emphasized. He frowns, but then smiles with resolve. At the time we think he is smiling in acceptance of his fate. I think that moment was all about a tinge of regret at what he was doing to his former friends followed by his acceptance that it will be good for him and a bit of pride that his treacherous plan is working perfectly.
Of course, we see Eugene at the Savior ambush point apparently captured by the Saviors. He's a little beat up, but not much. Notably we didn't actually see him get captured by the Saviors. There's a reason for that. He wasn't captured, he just rejoined his allies. He's roughed up a bit as part of the charade because Negan plans to continue to use him as a mole to monitor what goes on in Alexandria.
Notably, that is at least the second time Eugene is captured off screen by The Saviors after arranging for himself to be alone. The first is in the warehouse where Eugene discloses his plan to Abraham to make bullets. Eugene tried to go there alone, because the real purpose was to meet and plan with Saviors, but Abraham insisted on coming. Eugene insults him into leaving once they get there, leaving him alone to be "captured" off screen, isn't that convenient.
Once captured he is used as a faux hostage so he can be reunited with the group as a hero with his loyalty unquestioned and the plans now laid with The Saviors for him to lure the group into their clutches. I would not be surprised if Eugene isn't responsible for Maggie's sudden illness by some sort of poisoning. This forces the group to make the run for The Hilltop that The Saviors seem to know was going to happen. Indeed, the Saviors even seem to have foreknowledge of the spontaneous foray led Daryl, as if they must have a mole working for them in Alexandria. I suggest that they do.
And about the bullet manufacturing, there's no set up that our heroes in Alexandria have any particular shortage. Yes, Eugene notes that they are "finite" but it seems awful forward planning for them running from one crisis to another. I submit that the group short on bullets is The Saviors and Eugene has offered that service to them, that the people of Alexandria will be providing the labor for.
So why is the victim Abraham? Because Abraham nearly beat Eugene to death and Eugene has not forgotten it. His deal with Negan includes Negan taking out Abraham with Lucille. Eugene gets the security of The Saviors and revenge on Abraham in one tight neat little package. He is, after all, a really smart guy.
Anyway, that's my little pet theory. Fire away.
The most compelling is that The Saviors were always one step ahead of the good guys. Well, guess who was in charge of the map? You guessed it, Eugene set them on every route they took, routes that ended with Saviors in front of them in progressively greater numbers. Did you notice that Eugene added himself to this mission to The Hilltop at the last minute at his own insistence?
Eugene needs to be separated from the main group before any potential large battle so he isn't hurt in a gun battle crossfire, so who comes up with the plan to separate him from the main group? Eugene does. His plan to set the main group off in dark the rest of the way while Eugene alone diverts the bad guys with the RV should work, unless the Saviors have advance notice of it. It doesn't work as apparently The Saviors do have advance notice. Our heroes blunder on foot into a well laid Savior trap that could only exist if the Saviors had advance notice of what they were doing. That notice came from Eugene.
As the party departs from the RV there is a fake tender moment as the party is convinced Eugene's staying with the RV is a noble, self sacrificing gesture almost certain to get him killed. We then have a private moment with Eugene where his emotions are emphasized. He frowns, but then smiles with resolve. At the time we think he is smiling in acceptance of his fate. I think that moment was all about a tinge of regret at what he was doing to his former friends followed by his acceptance that it will be good for him and a bit of pride that his treacherous plan is working perfectly.
Of course, we see Eugene at the Savior ambush point apparently captured by the Saviors. He's a little beat up, but not much. Notably we didn't actually see him get captured by the Saviors. There's a reason for that. He wasn't captured, he just rejoined his allies. He's roughed up a bit as part of the charade because Negan plans to continue to use him as a mole to monitor what goes on in Alexandria.
Notably, that is at least the second time Eugene is captured off screen by The Saviors after arranging for himself to be alone. The first is in the warehouse where Eugene discloses his plan to Abraham to make bullets. Eugene tried to go there alone, because the real purpose was to meet and plan with Saviors, but Abraham insisted on coming. Eugene insults him into leaving once they get there, leaving him alone to be "captured" off screen, isn't that convenient.
Once captured he is used as a faux hostage so he can be reunited with the group as a hero with his loyalty unquestioned and the plans now laid with The Saviors for him to lure the group into their clutches. I would not be surprised if Eugene isn't responsible for Maggie's sudden illness by some sort of poisoning. This forces the group to make the run for The Hilltop that The Saviors seem to know was going to happen. Indeed, the Saviors even seem to have foreknowledge of the spontaneous foray led Daryl, as if they must have a mole working for them in Alexandria. I suggest that they do.
And about the bullet manufacturing, there's no set up that our heroes in Alexandria have any particular shortage. Yes, Eugene notes that they are "finite" but it seems awful forward planning for them running from one crisis to another. I submit that the group short on bullets is The Saviors and Eugene has offered that service to them, that the people of Alexandria will be providing the labor for.
So why is the victim Abraham? Because Abraham nearly beat Eugene to death and Eugene has not forgotten it. His deal with Negan includes Negan taking out Abraham with Lucille. Eugene gets the security of The Saviors and revenge on Abraham in one tight neat little package. He is, after all, a really smart guy.
Anyway, that's my little pet theory. Fire away.
It's Daryl or Maggie.
Starting to think it's Daryl. He said it's important to have a right hand man.
Hope I'm wrong.
Hope I'm wrong.
Rick, Carl, Daryl, Michonne, Glenn, Abraham, Sasha, Eugene, Aaron, Rosita and Maggie
Only way it is Rick, Carl, Daryl or Michonne is if they refused to resign to do other work.
Think they do want it to be a major character though since will be viewed as cop out, that takes Aaron, Rosita and Sasha off the board for me.
Killing Glenn again I think would not be viewed well.
That leaves Abraham, Eugene or Maggie.
Thinking:
#1 Maggie - makes most sense, don't have to deal with another baby story line and Glenn can go ape **** which would love to see
#2 Abraham
#3 Eugene
Only way it is Rick, Carl, Daryl or Michonne is if they refused to resign to do other work.
Think they do want it to be a major character though since will be viewed as cop out, that takes Aaron, Rosita and Sasha off the board for me.
Killing Glenn again I think would not be viewed well.
That leaves Abraham, Eugene or Maggie.
Thinking:
#1 Maggie - makes most sense, don't have to deal with another baby story line and Glenn can go ape **** which would love to see
#2 Abraham
#3 Eugene
It'll be Glen
It wont be Maggie. If Negan were to pick her there is no way people like Glenn Rick or Abraham would just stay there and let it happen. They would try to stop it which would lead to all of them getting killed. In reality i think Abraham would do that for anyone so im heavily leaning towards it being him that gets picked
What is he going to do to Rick in the RV?
Jenga
JaxDad said:
What is he going to do to Rick in the RV?
Cut off his "right hand" with the axe.
Rick has blood on the right side of his face, but I don't think it's enough splattered to be Maggie. And she's a woman and in the current political environment, I don't think it's a woman.
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Thinking:
#1 Maggie - makes most sense, don't have to deal with another baby story line and Glenn can go ape **** which would love to see
#2 Abraham
#3 Eugene
After seeing the Sneak Preview, going to have to go with Abraham. No way would he consider Maggie or Eugene is right hand.
There's one giant gaping chest wound in your theory. You are assuming that the writers made good choices over at least an entire season and were actually thinking ahead in a logical and coherent manner.
I think the bad guy leader values muscle, so I don't think it's Abraham.
Unless they off more than one.Clavell said:Quote:
Thinking:
#1 Maggie - makes most sense, don't have to deal with another baby story line and Glenn can go ape **** which would love to see
#2 Abraham
#3 Eugene
After seeing the Sneak Preview, going to have to go with Abraham. No way would he consider Maggie or Eugene is right hand.
I would be willing to bet that the first episode is going to just be a flash back of whoever is killed and the end of the episode will show them getting beat to death... Typical WD style where nothing progresses and they get their millions of viewers to watch an entire season opener with literally nothing happening.
I'm going 70% Abraham, 25% Glenn, 5% someone else.
They'll find some other way for Maggie to lose the baby.
They'll find some other way for Maggie to lose the baby.
I think Nagan values compliance. It should be Abraham.
someone to Rick's right...so Aaron out.
Think Abraham is the man that gets it. Mainly cause he was still upright after first blow.
Wish it was Coral....can't stand his arse!! Waiting for him to get bit by walker....
Think Abraham is the man that gets it. Mainly cause he was still upright after first blow.
Wish it was Coral....can't stand his arse!! Waiting for him to get bit by walker....
It's Glenn.
At first it's will be Maggie, but Glenn will go nuts and it will wind up being him instead
Nearly 7 months later, it's about time for a new season of The Walking Dead!
The previews and commercials have been great. I can't wait.
I have had a lot of people say I over thought it and that the writers didn't think it through as much as I did.bedofbrass33 said:
There's one giant gaping chest wound in your theory. You are assuming that the writers made good choices over at least an entire season and were actually thinking ahead in a logical and coherent manner.
I don't know, I just found a lot of elements suspicious and seem like they were set up deliberately, mostly dealing with Eugene.
-His twice being "captured" off camera.
-Their setting him up as a "survivor."
-His last minute insistence on joining the mission to the Hilltop.
-His being in charge of the map that led the heroes to ever larger Savior lairs.
But the thing that capped it for me was the abandoning the RV to set off in the dark through the middle of the woods. I sat there as they did that and said "that plan should work and if it doesn't it MUST mean they have a turncoat in their midst." The plan didn't work, not even close, as they blunder into the biggest Savior camp of all just waiting for them to arrive. So right then and there I decided the Saviors had to have an mole on the inside feeding them information about that plan.
Then it was only a question of who. First suspect, the guy who came up with the plan, Eugene. Next the guy who directed them to all the other rendezvous with the Saviors, again Eugene. How did Eugene get selected for the Hilltop mission? Answer: He wasn't, he insisted on coming at the last second and was only reluctantly accepted.
It seemed so obvious to me that I was surprised everyone wasn't saying the same thing. Of course, everything I describe could also be the writers tricking someone like me with a great big misdirection. We start finding out in 6 1/2 hours.
Wife and are over excited and been analyzing your theory along with formulating our own based on the previews.. our conclusion is
60% -- Abraham
20% -- Daryl (has a new show, would be biggest shocker, ricks right hand man)
20% -- michonne ( also ricks right hand)
Can't wait...
60% -- Abraham
20% -- Daryl (has a new show, would be biggest shocker, ricks right hand man)
20% -- michonne ( also ricks right hand)
Can't wait...
Daryl has a new show?
Anybody have pre show spoilers?
My only ban came from revealing subtle TWD comic hints on here.
Ya'll are intense.
BTW - (just my .02$ - not based on any info) - I think it's Glenn.
My only ban came from revealing subtle TWD comic hints on here.
Ya'll are intense.
BTW - (just my .02$ - not based on any info) - I think it's Glenn.
I'm thinking Abraham or Glenn. Hoping Abraham but afraid it's Glenn.
If it's Maggie I walk.
unless a hotter piece of zombie apocalypse ass is introduced.
If it's Maggie I walk.
unless a hotter piece of zombie apocalypse ass is introduced.
It'll be Glen.
I'M SO SCARED
It's finally starting now!!!!!!
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