yeah, I've checked out of this circle jerk of a thread until facts pop up. Seemed to get a few today.
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http://www.kxxv.com/story/29307598/waco-police-release-more-details-on-twin-peaks-shooting-investigation
quote:so where did the long guns come from? we know of 1 AK-47 in a locked car.
475 weapons have been found during police's search of the crime scene. Police say there were 151 firearms, 12 of those were long guns, along with knives, brass knuckles, batons, tomahawks, weighted weapons, a hatchet, stun guns, bats, clubs, a machete, a pipe, an ax, pepper spray, and a chain.
quote:By my count that's 12 shots fired by police, and at least 32 fired by motorcyclists, presuming the cops didn't use revolvers.quote:
yep, 44 casings, 12 from police. Excludes any spent rounds found in revolvers. FBI is currently in possession of the video. Autopsies and ballistics being done by outside firm which is still finalizing results/report.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Waco-Police-Chief-to-Provide-Update-on-Twin-Peaks-Shooting-Investigation-307146261.html
Those pesky facts pop up again.
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Stroman said allegations and rumors that Waco police were indiscriminately firing into the crowd were not true. Stroman added that video of the shooting would help tell the story of what happened that afternoon and that it would be released in the future. The video is currently in the possession of the FBI for analysis.
quote:Insert comment about letting the geese go while rounding up the ducks.
Stroman said 239 people were originally detained at the scene and 62 were released that day without any charges being filed.
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475 weapons have been found during police's search of the crime scene. Police say there were 151 firearms, 12 of those were long guns, along with knives, brass knuckles, batons, tomahawks, weighted weapons, a hatchet, stun guns, bats, clubs, a machete, a pipe, an ax, pepper spray, and a chain.
Some of those weapons were even found using metal detectors after police say they were buried in the ground.
quote:quote:Insert comment about letting the geese go while rounding up the ducks.
Stroman said 239 people were originally detained at the scene and 62 were released that day without any charges being filed.
quote:But but ... injustice! Due process!
Authorities initially impounded 130 motorcycles and 91 other vehicles. As of Wednesday, June 10, police say 52 of the motorcycles and 47 of those other vehicles have been returned to the owners. 12 other motorcycles and three vehicles were given back to lien holder because of repossession.
quote:I don't care to be involved with the back and forth here, just wanted to point out that this is not what the article says. Direct quote from the text below:
By my count that's 12 shots fired by police, and at least 32 fired by motorcyclists, presuming the cops didn't use revolvers
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Police have recovered 44 shell casings from the scene, but that number does not include revolver rounds fired by non-law enforcement officers. Police are still counting those revolver casings.
12 of those 44 shell casings recovered were from rifles of 3 Waco officers
quote:So, is he still being detained or has he been released? If he's been released how long ago?quote:
Honestly, so many of you ready to jump on the Internet lynch wagon based on hearsay and rumors is a little dissapointing.
good to know that conversations with a co-worker who was there and arrested is considered hearsay and rumors. I'll let him know.
i've not posted all of what he's said/revealed, as its not my place to tell his story.
quote:Dunno about grass growing. It seems fairly obvious there was time for everybody to ditch their weapons before being arrested, though
Also... People had time to bury firearms, under dirt, and grass grew back up around them?!
quote:Am I the only one who sees the humor in that bit of "journalism"?
Police are still counting those revolver casings.
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Twelve of the motorcycles and three other vehicles were released to the lien holders due to repossession.
quote:Well, that's what I meant. They were bikes now owned by the bank as the buyers didn't pay their bills. Sorry, after a lot of tedium in this thread that just struck me as funny.
Or they were in reposession.
quote:Yup. Saved the banks from hiring a repo man.quote:Well, that's what I meant. They were bikes now owned by the bank as the buyers didn't pay their bills. Sorry, after a lot of tedium in this thread that just struck me as funny.
Or they were in reposession.
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The "Twin Peaks" incident has resulted in an investigation that is unprecedented in the history of the Waco Police Department and McLennan County. Since the initial event, the investigation is a large and complex investigation, involving many entities. It is our intent to release regular updates, but the pace of developments is often beyond our control. We also do not want to release any information that would jeopardize the ongoing criminal investigation. We appreciate the outpouring of community support that we have received during the past weeks and we will continue to serve our community as we investigate this case.
The following is our most current update from the Twin Peaks Shooting Investigation that occurred on 5-17-15:
The number of officers initially assigned to the Twin Peaks event on 5-17-15 are as follows:
There were 16 uniformed Waco Police Department Officers to include 5 Supervisors (3 Sergeants, 1 Commander and an Assistant Chief). Included in that number was a Tactical Element (SWAT Officers) assigned and present.
None of the Officers were assigned in a sniper capacity and all Officers were in their vehicles at the time the suspects began the shooting. Those Officers were stationed in the parking lots adjacent to the Twin Peaks and were visible to patrons entering the Twin Peaks parking lot. There were 6 marked Waco Police units and 4 unmarked Waco Police vehicles. This does not include DPS vehicles. There were also Texas Department of Public Safety Officers assigned to the event as well.
As of this release, there are a total of 44 shell casings recovered from the Twin Peaks scene. This number does not include the revolver rounds fired by non-law enforcement shooters. Those casings are still being counted. 12 of those casings were from the rifles of 3 Waco Officers who discharged their weapons in defense of their selves or a third party. The Waco SWAT Officers' weapons are .223 caliber rifles that are capable of full-auto fire; Officers only fired in semi-auto mode during the incident. There was no full-auto gunfire from any of the Officers at the scene. As is normal practice, rifles carried by the Waco SWAT Officers were deployed with sound suppressors. No other Officers fired rounds from any other weapon during the incident. The Officers involved in the shooting have been assigned administrative duties pending the outcome of the investigation.
The number of weapons discovered during our search of the crime scene has increased since the first release and may continue to increase. The weapon count at this point in time is at least 475 weapons. This includes 151 firearms, 12 of which were long guns. The weapons recovered include: knives, brass knuckles, batons, tomahawks, weighted weapons, a hatchet, stun guns, bats, clubs, a machete, a pipe, an ax, pepper spray, and a chain. Many of these were hastily hidden and some were found using metal detectors as they were buried beneath the grass in the dirt. The involved firearms have been transferred to the ATF for analysis. Videos of the incident have been transferred to FBI Investigators for analysis. Full autopsy and ballistics analysis is being conducted by outside labs and the completed and final results have not been returned to us as of this release.
The special organizational structure of the Twin Peaks Investigation as it continues is this. There is a Commander assigned over the two Criminal Investigation Units (Special Crimes and SAFE-Support, Abatement, Forfeiture and Enforcement) investigating the cases that have developed from the shootings. There have been 4 additional Officers assigned to Special Crimes and 5 additional Officers assigned to SAFE to assist in the workload. This is in addition to the Detectives permanently assigned to those units. There are a total of 21 Officers and Supervisors assigned to the Twin Peaks Investigation.
Besides the addition of these Officers, we continue to receive support and investigation assistance from the following agencies; Texas Department of Public Safety including their Criminal Investigation Division and the Texas Rangers, Federal Bureau of Investigation-FBI, Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms-ATF, Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission- TABC and the McLennan County District Attorney office.
We initially impounded 130 motorcycles and 91 other vehicles. As of June 10, 2015, 52 motorcycles and 47 vehicles have been released to the owners. In addition to those, 12 of the motorcycles and 3 of the other vehicles were released to the lien holders due to repossession. At this point, we have recovered over 1000 pieces of evidence from the crime scene, the Convention Center (where suspects were initially detained) and the jail. Search warrants are still being issued in this case in reference to some of the property held as evidence.
There were 239 persons detained at the crime scene as result of the Twin Peaks shootings. At least 62 individuals were released from the crime scene or from the Convention Center without charges being filed. 177 persons were arrested that night or subsequently on warrants obtained by Detectives.
quote:OK. I guess I misread earlier. On second read, it appears no LEOs shot revolvers. Some suspects did. That number is still being determined.
As of this release, there are a total of 44 shell casings recovered from the Twin Peaks scene. This number does not include the revolver rounds fired by non-law enforcement shooters.
quote:Curse those banks for following the letter of the law. Obama would let somebody take out a loan on a vehicle and never pay it back.
I don't see a timeline on when the bikes were released to the holders.
Could it be they were repo'd because the person missed a payment or two due to being locked up?