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Oh and I wear Ag gear 5 days a week. Just sayin.
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Oh and I wear Ag gear 5 days a week. Just sayin.
quote:Yeah. If Ags were known and identified as an organized criminal gang. See, that's where the affiliation analogies falls apart. These aren't Knights of Columbus, or Aggies, or Masonic Lodge members.
8T agreed. I walk like an Ag I talk like an Ag and look like an Ag. If police say Ags are bad do I get arreasted for a month and forfeit 25k for being in Parking lot behind police? Hmm
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8T agreed. I walk like an Ag I talk like an Ag and look like an Ag. If police say Ags are bad do I get arreasted for a month and forfeit 25k for being in Parking lot behind police? Hmm
quote:quote:I bet you drive a camry.
I guess my question should be is there anyone out of the group arrested that doesn't belong to a motorcycle club/biker gang?
If so, find another hobby and quit playing dress up
quote:quote:You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?quote:
8T agreed. I walk like an Ag I talk like an Ag and look like an Ag. If police say Ags are bad do I get arreasted for a month and forfeit 25k for being in Parking lot behind police? Hmm
Are you and several others trafficking narcotics and murdering others?
quote:Has law enforcement identified and classified Aggies as a criminal gang? If not, the affiliation analogy once again falls flat.quote:You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?quote:
8T agreed. I walk like an Ag I talk like an Ag and look like an Ag. If police say Ags are bad do I get arreasted for a month and forfeit 25k for being in Parking lot behind police? Hmm
Are you and several others trafficking narcotics and murdering others?
quote:THIS!!!! You can take all that duck comment crap and stick it in the trash because it doesn't hold any water in this situation. I don't care if some of the guys in jail robbed a bank the previous Thursday. If there isn't evidence tying these guys to the crime that happened that Sunday in Waco, and that is the charge that they are being held on for close to a month, then that is illegal. Period. End of story. It amazes me that some of you folks are on here day in and day out *****ing and moaning about your gun rights. Then you turn around and close your eyes to the completely unconstitutional actions happening right now? All because you think the bikers are stupid for hanging out with the wrong crowd and wearing a vest? I agree it's not smart, but it's not illegal to do that, unless they are tied to the crimes that were committed.
And once again the proponents of the police state rush forward to claim that if you'll just give up your constitutional rights, you'll have no problems.
I am embarrassed for you people.
quote:We are here on page 39 of a thread that's almost four weeks old, and some of you are still hung up on stereotypes. No one wants anyone responsible for the deaths and mayhem that may have occurred to escape justice, nor have an especially easy time receiving it.
And once again the proponents of the police state rush forward to claim that if you'll just give up your constitutional rights, you'll have no problems.
I am embarrassed for you people.
quote:Not quite. I understand why the high bail amount was given. But as has been reported, in the reduction hearings, Cossacks and Banditos were lowered to quarter million bails. Affiliated groups lower, non affiliated even lower. The system is working, just slower than we'd all like.quote:And if law enforcement only arrested those who are members of criminal gangs you would have a point with your duck comment. Unfortunately that isn't what happened so you once again have admitted you are content with innocent people being arrested, held on million dollar bail and having their Liberty infringed upon.quote:Has law enforcement identified and classified Aggies as a criminal gang? If not, the affiliation analogy once again falls flat.quote:You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?quote:
8T agreed. I walk like an Ag I talk like an Ag and look like an Ag. If police say Ags are bad do I get arreasted for a month and forfeit 25k for being in Parking lot behind police? Hmm
Are you and several others trafficking narcotics and murdering others?
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You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?
quote:Is that what the patches on the back of the vests are for?
What if you enjoy 40 mpg and want something protective, but not sweltering between you and the asphalt?
quote:The Arthur Anderson guys in the Enron scandal were Ags, right?quote:
You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?
Care to name a few? I don't know of any that fit that description, unless you're talking about crimes that few people pay attention to or don't really affect others.
quote:Ah, okay....quote:Is that what the patches on the back of the vests are for?
What if you enjoy 40 mpg and want something protective, but not sweltering between you and the asphalt?
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Because I was wearing a certain color vest, automatically in their eyes I was guilty. So much for innocent until proven guilty.
I get his point, but he still hasn't been proven guilty. Getting arrested doesn't mean you are guilty.
Now, if he had said "so much for needing probable cause before being arrested" he'd have a much better point.
A couple of weeks of his life, all of his lost income during that time, the damage to his reputation, a felony arrest on his record, legal fees, bail costs and mental anguish are a pretty steep price for his clothing choice. He gets none of that back irregardless if he is indicted, tried or convicted.
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You don't think there are well known and prominent aggies committing crimes on a regular basis?
Care to name a few? I don't know of any that fit that description, unless you're talking about crimes that few people pay attention to or don't really affect others.
quote:Cue my duck comment. The officers and the court don't see it the way many of y'all do on here. We can rail against the wrongness of their view and call people names, but this is the reality those guys face.
Based on the vague affidavits, bikers merely eating lunch at Twin Peaks that day were arrested for wearing "patches" and for being associated with a biker club and not based on whether they fired a weapon, got into a fight or helped provoke the gunbattle, Reposa argued.
He said it was not right for everyone to be arrested for the actions of others.
Johnson ruled there was adequate probable cause to detain the bikers.
quote:Again, the way we may want to portray bikers is not the important thing for them right now. It's the way law enforcement and the courts see them that counts.
When Luce referred to the Bandidos as a gang, Weathers corrected him, saying he is in a motorcycle club called the Bandidos.
Luce reminded the court that law enforcement considers the Bandidos a criminal gang.
quote:The police argument is going to work just fine for members of the Bandidos and maybe the Cossacks. In a higher court, they are going to have a real tough time justifying that for some of the mom & pop groups that aren't criminal organizations like the Bandidos.
Cue my duck comment. The officers and the court don't see it the way many of y'all do on here. We can rail against the wrongness of their view and call people names, but this is the reality those guys face.
quote:Isn't one too many?
How many from don Carlos are in jail?