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I was driving all day yesterday and listened to a few podcasts taking both sides on it.

I'll start off and say that what Bo French posted is incredibly stupid and a giant unnecessary own-goal.

After hearing "racism" "ancestors" "blood and soil" all day, I think that I tend to side with Bo's intention as it's not necessarily a good thing, albeit, never would have said it that way.

almost 1/3 of tU's undergrads are Asian when they only account for about 6% of the population. i'm certain several of the people pictured are first or second generation Texans here legally and most likely are top 10% with the grades to get into Texas.

But I would wager that the almost half, if not majority of the people pictured, are the children of H1Bs brought into North Dallas or Austin to replace an American job. As somebody who works in the tech sector, I can assure you that there are plenty of intelligent ones, and plenty that are below your average white, black, or hispanic technologist. They aren't better as a whole, American companies just decided to save money and then they let entire support teams use chain migration to take over entire sectors. One product I support 10 years ago was entirely English first language support and was renowned for being amazing. About 8 years ago they brought in an Indian to take over the support team and viola, support is now miserable and there are hundreds of Indians and Asians that now report to the Plano office.

So, for a random mythical person, if you grew up in Plano or Frisco, there's a high probability that your parents were replaced with an immigrant who proceeded to get a job that an American could have done just fine in. They also now have to build houses and schools to support the hundreds or thousands of these instances that have happened. Now your parents who have lived in that area their entire life are having to compete with a new people that haven't gone to the schools or paid the taxes in an area for jobs, homes, schools, etc.

That being said, most Indian/Asian immigrants also bring a valid work ethic which is why they are getting in on the top 10% rule.

Also one of the issues I've seen as per the guy who posted about his kid not getting in with a 4.5, is that I know an instance of a girl, who was involved in sports and clubs and got salutatorian by a few points to an Indian kid who didn't do any extracurriculars and took half his classes online and came in JH. She's fine and got into A&M and I'm sure that the valedictorian is doing well wherever he went, but it was always a bit of irritation that "sure he got the best grades, but he was barely there and did nothing but go to class."

That's obviously not entirely true everywhere. One of my friends at church is a 2nd or 3rd generation Indian and his son is one of the best receivers on a 5A team and incredibly involved in Church and community.

So now, the above mythical Texans and their children who have maybe been living here for 100+ years and paying into the funds of all our state schools are losing spots to people that showed up 5 years ago, got a nice spot and crammed their whole life into being the valedictorian of Frisco HS.

Saying it the way French did DOES have a hint of racism and was stupid, but it's honestly pent up rage.

Every Indian kid in that video is not the exact instance of a dad losing his job or an job opportunity to an H1B, then their kid losing top 10% to the H1B's kid, and the H1B's kid taking a spot from them at Texas, but I think when a lot of people see that picture, it's the story that's painted in their mind.

TL;DR: French's post was stupid, but I think the anger and frustration behind the post is not a completely invalid grievance.

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I think it's funny and sad how the "blood and soil" crowd has led to a competition within their own group over who has the most claim via ancestry. I guess the ones with native American ancestry win? So I guess that would be the Mexican-Americans, the vast majority of them having native American pre-Spanish pre-Columbus ancestry.

"Nah, we defeated them, so there was a national reset, and the clock starts with the first white people in Texas." That's probably the way to reject the Mexican-Americans and native Americans.

I don't think we can just allow verbal claims. We are going to need to see ancestry charts, and more importantly, we are going to need genetic proof. In the future you may have to submit a blood sample as part of your admissions application to Texas schools. /s

Still waiting on a single MAGA person to defend Harvard/Yale/Princeton for capping Asian admissions to 20+% or whatever it is. Even though MAGA sued them over it.

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i did not hear that level of ******ery being thrown out. moronic. I say this as somebody who has sympathies to the point of view but turning it into a purity (blood) test will always be dumb.

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I hate to tell you this, but none of us had any skill, decision, impact on choosing our parents or our long dead ancestors from 100's or 1000's of years ago.

Ancestry should be completely irrelevant in every way. And yes, I laugh every time I see those ancestry.com commercials. While I'm appreciative of my parents, their parents, etc.....I don't believe that I deserve more than anyone else just because of when my now-dead-relatives got to the US sooner than someone else's relatives tens or hundreds of years ago.

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OK, please tell every other country this. BC it seems like only we are supposed to consider an anchor baby who grows up and ends up loving the country their parents fled more than the one they are lucky enough to enjoy...as every bit as "American" as someone whose ancestors got here in the 1600's and have fought in every major war.

Part of being an genuine American is the intangibles. It's the loyalty, how much do you love this country. As I said before, many immigrants escaping socialism and communism who have not even earned citizenship are far more "American" in my eyes than many legacy Americans. So it's not all about place of birth or how long your bloodline has been somewhere to me.

Too many immigrants and their offspring are just here to use us, and because it's a nicer, cleaner place than the hellscape and backwards culture they are escaping.

That's a good point (and we agree on the luck of the draw). I think we're looking at the topic of ancestry from different angle is all.

Your perspective appears to be more broad, while mine was aimed very narrowly at the "How American is an american' question that was posted.

The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

I don't think there is a specific amount of time that can be taken into measuring one's degree of American-ness honestly.

One of my colleagues moved to the US as a child, learned to speak English, graduated from HS, joined the Navy, went to college after and has several engineering degrees (one from Texas A&M, the other from UT). He is a proud veteran, a great father, a community advocate, a great engineer and is a proud citizen and American.

A different guy - white guy and presumably long time US citizen (lives down the street) isn't active at all in the community, never bothered to work more than minimum wage jobs, is lazy and blames everything on conspiracy theories. In reality, he's dumb and he's lazy.

I feel like in this example, I would STRONGLY prefer guys like my work colleague be part of the US than the lazy, taxpayer scamming mooch down the street. Am I crazy? *****Hardcore Greg, I either misread your post or you edited it while I was typing*** I think I agree with what your post says and the logic in it****.

This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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This is "****oo Nationalism."

The ****oo is a bird that sneaks into other birds' nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but replaced their terminated offspring.

Our civilization is being raided by civilizational ****oos. Our own youth are abandoned, dismissed, and neglected when they aren't just aborted away, meanwhile foreigners are placed in our "nest" at scale and we are told this is good enough, these are the people to whom we should be allocating our national resources.

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

We're not doing ****oo Nationalism anymore Joel. We're not going to tolerate the intolerable subversion of our nation, nor the grotesquely unfair conditions our own youth have been subjected to by the ****oo State.

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

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Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view. I get this with H1s, and folks on Visas.
But citizens too?
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

We give citizenship to people born here of non-citizens. Citizenship status means nothing to me.

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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We give citizenship to people born here of non-citizens. Citizenship status means nothing to me.

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I completely understand this sentiment. I partially agree with it.
The Democrats have equated illegals with legal immigrants who want to move here, because they actually love America. Legal immigrants who vote democrat piss me off for that reason. At least they are learning in the border counties in Texas.

So what does being American mean?

Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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This is "****oo Nationalism."

The ****oo is a bird that sneaks into other birds' nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but replaced their terminated offspring.

Our civilization is being raided by civilizational ****oos. Our own youth are abandoned, dismissed, and neglected when they aren't just aborted away, meanwhile foreigners are placed in our "nest" at scale and we are told this is good enough, these are the people to whom we should be allocating our national resources.

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

We're not doing ****oo Nationalism anymore Joel. We're not going to tolerate the intolerable subversion of our nation, nor the grotesquely unfair conditions our own youth have been subjected to by the ****oo State.

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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Wow, I'm on the right but this is tough to take. Imagine if God said, "Well only ethnic Jews can go to heaven. I know there are some gentiles out there that really love me but nope, Jews can go because of their ethnic background and what is in the heart doesnt matter.

I'll take an immigrant that works his ass off, follows the law, loves the country, would fight for it over many whites. When I see the left burning things, yelling, acting like fools they are often white. Having communism or socialism in your heart is the WORST. Now that trash wants to sieze whats ours

So no I dont buy the race thing as important. Its a heart and conviction thing. And yes any one of any color that advocates for socialism communism deport their ass.

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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This is "****oo Nationalism."

The ****oo is a bird that sneaks into other birds' nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but replaced their terminated offspring.

Our civilization is being raided by civilizational ****oos. Our own youth are abandoned, dismissed, and neglected when they aren't just aborted away, meanwhile foreigners are placed in our "nest" at scale and we are told this is good enough, these are the people to whom we should be allocating our national resources.

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

We're not doing ****oo Nationalism anymore Joel. We're not going to tolerate the intolerable subversion of our nation, nor the grotesquely unfair conditions our own youth have been subjected to by the ****oo State.

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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I don't know...I think it's more complicated than most realize.

I for one, was very pleasantly surprised to see them assimilating...you could just change their skin color using AI or something, and you'd think it was the SAE's or Fiji's. Look at the passion and excitement as their team completes a shocking upset against the #1 team in the nation. These are not foriegn born kids, outside of maybe a few exceptions. And they are behaving exactly how I would hope immigrants or first gen students would.

I love to see it, personally (aside from it being the dirty Sips who won). These kids are proving the stereotypes wrong to me. Now I'm not saying there weren't a bunch of foreigners and first generation t.u. students in Austin that night, completely oblivious to the fact that the big game was going on, who are only here to use us...but these kids in the video are about the WORST example one could pick to make the point.

That video actually eased my concerns a bit when I saw it the other day TBH. Great to see them dressing and behaving like normal, every day American college students/Texans. If that was from an Aggie victory over a top team, I would be proud.

Remember, it is almost certainly just a student organization or fraternity block. Not at all indicative of the whole stadium.

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

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Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

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But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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I hate to tell you this, but none of us had any skill, decision, impact on choosing our parents or our long dead ancestors from 100's or 1000's of years ago.

Ancestry should be completely irrelevant in every way. And yes, I laugh every time I see those ancestry.com commercials. While I'm appreciative of my parents, their parents, etc.....I don't believe that I deserve more than anyone else just because of when my now-dead-relatives got to the US sooner than someone else's relatives tens or hundreds of years ago.

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OK, please tell every other country this. BC it seems like only we are supposed to consider an anchor baby who grows up and ends up loving the country their parents fled more than the one they are lucky enough to enjoy...as every bit as "American" as someone whose ancestors got here in the 1600's and have fought in every major war.

Part of being an genuine American is the intangibles. It's the loyalty, how much do you love this country. As I said before, many immigrants escaping socialism and communism who have not even earned citizenship are far more "American" in my eyes than many legacy Americans. So it's not all about place of birth or how long your bloodline has been somewhere to me.

Too many immigrants and their offspring are just here to use us, and because it's a nicer, cleaner place than the hellscape and backwards culture they are escaping.

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Just saw this post.

Blue Star - I loved this country, even though i grew up in a pro-Soviet country that blasted anti-American propaganda my entire childhood and teen years. America is that exceptional , it can inspire you despite the propaganda.

How do you measure the intangibles?

So which is preferable?

An Indian kid with Vivek like political views going to football games Donning the outer trappings of our society while working on a engineering degree?

White kids with Elizabeth Warren, like political views going to antifa rallies waving dildos around working on the 13th century Nigerian art degree?



We have to stop importing so many foreigners. I think most here agree with that. But now that they are here, they aren't even the worst among us sadly.

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Part of being an genuine American is the intangibles. It's the loyalty, how much do you love this country. As I said before, many immigrants escaping socialism and communism who have not even earned citizenship are far more "American" in my eyes than many legacy Americans. So it's not all about place of birth or how long your bloodline has been somewhere to me.

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

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This might have some truth, in general, but deddog is a different skin tone than me and comes across as one of the best conservative, patriotic posters on here. Also seems like a Christian.

Our 5y/o daughter's Indian friend's parents are fully Americanized and devoutly Christian. Wonderful people.

Do I have some problems with the ones that refuse to assimilate, in particular the boomer aged ones who are rude as hell? Absolutely. But I think Asians/Indians, by and large, are a good example to other migrant groups on how to properly assimilate.

But I would trade ANY white liberal for the most non-assimilating Indian. Wish we could deport white liberals more than anyone, aside from maybe Muslims.

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

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Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

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But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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This is "****oo Nationalism."

The ****oo is a bird that sneaks into other birds' nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but replaced their terminated offspring.

Our civilization is being raided by civilizational ****oos. Our own youth are abandoned, dismissed, and neglected when they aren't just aborted away, meanwhile foreigners are placed in our "nest" at scale and we are told this is good enough, these are the people to whom we should be allocating our national resources.

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

We're not doing ****oo Nationalism anymore Joel. We're not going to tolerate the intolerable subversion of our nation, nor the grotesquely unfair conditions our own youth have been subjected to by the ****oo State.

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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Wow, I'm on the right but this is tough to take. Imagine if God said, "Well only ethnic Jews can go to heaven. I know there are some gentiles out there that really love me but nope, Jews can go because of their ethnic background and what is in the heart doesnt matter.

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Why would I imagine that when that isn't the case? Weird hypothetical that doesn't even make sense. I don't think they can't get to Heaven because they are Indian. I think they aren't American because they are Indian.

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I'll take an immigrant that works his ass off, follows the law, loves the country, would fight for it over many whites. When I see the left burning things, yelling, acting like fools they are often white. Having communism or socialism in your heart is the WORST. Now that trash wants to sieze whats ours

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Working hard, following the law, and loving a country don't make you American. I actually understand why an immigrant would fight for the country over a White American, because the country is now pro-immigrant and anti-white.

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

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But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

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This might have some truth, in general, but deddog is a different skin tone than me and comes across as one of the best conservative, patriotic posters on here. Also seems like a Christian.

Our 5y/o daughter's Indian friend's parents are fully Americanized and devoutly Christian. Wonderful people.

Do I have some problems with the ones that refuse to assimilate, in particular the boomer aged ones who are rude as hell? Absolutely. But I think Asians/Indians, by and large, are a good example to other migrant groups on how to properly assimilate.

But I would trade ANY white liberal for the most non-assimilating Indian. Wish we could deport white liberals more than anyone, aside from maybe Muslims.

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I was hindu for 50 years. Jesus found me, and transformed my life and my perspective.
I've unconditionally loved America since I was in 3rd grade though.

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Zobel said:

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

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Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

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But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

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This. I also am tired of always catering to either Muslims or Jews...or giving them so much of our attention. We should be emphasizing focus on Christians. Christians from India, Christians from Nigeria, Christians from South America etc etc. Preferably young families.

As it is now, we don;t even really vet people. What good is diversity if it is a hindrance to unity? We start focusing on Christians and we will become more united and prove that racial diversity can work in the long haul, as long as you have the same priorities, visions and goals.

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So which is preferable?

An Indian kid with Vivek like political views going to football games Donning the outer trappings of our society while working on a engineering degree?

White kids with Elizabeth Warren, like political views going to antifa rallies waving dildos around working on the 13th century Nigerian art degree?



We have to stop importing so many foreigners. I think most here agree with that. But now that they are here, they aren't even the worst among us sadly.

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The Indian is far worse. They took a spot from a white kid who very possibly could have deserved it more but didn't get it because of affirmative action. Vivek is also a swindler who would have you believe he is Christian but is actually Hindu. Don't even blame him for it, it's just his culture.

I'll also point out those kids haven't really assimilated. Assimilation would be one Indian in a large white friend group. They are still ethnically segregated, they have just chosen to only interact with their own people. So it isn't assimilation.

We should be cleaning our house, not importing the third world while our house is in shambles.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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<snip>

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

</snip>

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

---

So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

---

This might have some truth, in general, but deddog is a different skin tone than me and comes across as one of the best conservative, patriotic posters on here. Also seems like a Christian.

Our 5y/o daughter's Indian friend's parents are fully Americanized and devoutly Christian. Wonderful people.

Do I have some problems with the ones that refuse to assimilate, in particular the boomer aged ones who are rude as hell? Absolutely. But I think Asians/Indians, by and large, are a good example to other migrant groups on how to properly assimilate.

But I would trade ANY white liberal for the most non-assimilating Indian. Wish we could deport white liberals more than anyone, aside from maybe Muslims.

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Indian Christians tend to be good people, so much so that the Hindus in India love to try to take advantage of them. I've known several Indian Christians and they were good people who loved this country. One of them is third generation (grandparents on both sides came from India) and she's is an awesome person. Red ass Aggie in the extreme (even after all the time since she graduated, she could still fill in for the Yell Leaders if needed), very conservative, Christian, and probably the only doctor of Indian descent I would go see without hesitation of I needed her specialty.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Zobel said:

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

---

Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

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But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

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I am not sure these tests are good enough.

Many Gen X folks are not on social media. If they are, they are not dumb enough to post anti-America material under their own names. The dumb ones are the Millennials and the Gen Zers.

English - well, there are many who can speak good English.

I know many foreigners, including many from India and China who are naturalized US citizens who want H1B to be open "because I have a niece working in San Jose and she is on H1B" or "We got in through H1B, we have to be fair and let others come in as well".

They don't care about Americans who can't get hired. They are worried about their niece and nephew from their hometown who is on H1B and might have to go home.

How to check for that?

Vessel said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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So which is preferable?

An Indian kid with Vivek like political views going to football games Donning the outer trappings of our society while working on a engineering degree?

White kids with Elizabeth Warren, like political views going to antifa rallies waving dildos around working on the 13th century Nigerian art degree?



We have to stop importing so many foreigners. I think most here agree with that. But now that they are here, they aren't even the worst among us sadly.

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The Indian is far worse. They took a spot from a white kid who very possibly could have deserved it more but didn't get it because of affirmative action. Vivek is also a swindler who would have you believe he is Christian but is actually Hindu. Don't even blame him for it, it's just his culture.

I'll also point out those kids haven't really assimilated. Assimilation would be one Indian in a large white friend group. They are still ethnically segregated, they have just chosen to only interact with their own people. So it isn't assimilation.

We should be cleaning our house, not importing the third world while our house is in shambles.

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I am a Christian nationalist that most liberals would easily consider "racist" (I'm not), but the white liberals are a much greater threat to this country than those Indian kids dressed like KA's, going absolutely nuts because their football team just won.

They are far more American than some blue haired septum pierced white girl who hates "the patriarchy".

In fact, if we are going to smash the matriarchy, we may need Asians and Indians and Latinos. We just need to vet for Christian/conservative ones. Too many white men, even on the conservative side of the spectrum, have become complete pushovers with zero influence over their wives. Completely fine with their wives vcasting votes for the Demoncraps.

By the way, most white women are a complete lost cause. Tainted goods. If you want a white woman, order her from Eastern europe and forego the torture of a compromised white American gal (obviously there are exceptions - usually Christian ones).

Hardcore Greg said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Zobel said:

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

---

Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

---

But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

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This. I also am tired of always catering to either Muslims or Jews...or giving them so much of our attention. We should be emphasizing focus on Christians. Christians from India, Christians from Nigeria, Christians from South America etc etc. Preferably young families.

As it is now, we don;t even really vet people. What good is diversity if it is a hindrance to unity? We start focusing on Christians and we will become more united and prove that racial diversity can work in the long haul, as long as you have the same priorities, visions and goals.

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So you want to discriminate on the basis of religion.

I don't think deddog agrees with you on this. Could you please clarify, deddog?

I don't agree either.

Don't think that just being Christian will bring forth Utopia that you desire.

BTW, there are several Indian Christians who use America like a hoar for their personal needs. Like Francisco D'Souza, the ex CEO of COGNIZANT. He is the one who needs to be imprisoned, not the new guy Ravi Kumar who might get into trouble.

Rapier108 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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<snip>

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

</snip>

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

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This might have some truth, in general, but deddog is a different skin tone than me and comes across as one of the best conservative, patriotic posters on here. Also seems like a Christian.

Our 5y/o daughter's Indian friend's parents are fully Americanized and devoutly Christian. Wonderful people.

Do I have some problems with the ones that refuse to assimilate, in particular the boomer aged ones who are rude as hell? Absolutely. But I think Asians/Indians, by and large, are a good example to other migrant groups on how to properly assimilate.

But I would trade ANY white liberal for the most non-assimilating Indian. Wish we could deport white liberals more than anyone, aside from maybe Muslims.

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Indian Christians tend to be good people, so much so that the Hindus in India love to try to take advantage of them. I've known several Indian Christians and they were good people who loved this country. One of them is third generation (grandparents on both sides came from India) and she's is an awesome person. Red ass Aggie in the extreme (even after all the time since she graduated, she could still fill in for the Yell Leaders if needed), very conservative, Christian, and probably the only doctor of Indian descent I would go see without hesitation of I needed her specialty.

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"I think we should allow Indian Christians in because I know a few of them and they are good folks".

This is just like Old MacDonald who wanted us to hand out green cards to Muslims "because Abdul down the street lets his kids play with my kids and his wife brings us delicious biryani for Ramadan".

Very naive and ill-informed take.

infinity ag said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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deddog said:

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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<snip>

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

</snip>

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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This is an extremely cynical view.
I consider myself more American than the heathens who think abortion is ok, and that its ok to murder your kids just because you have the sads.

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And trans women consider themselves women.

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So what does being American constitute?
Because being white is not it.

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Having a shared European lineage is definitely a major part of it. There's a shared European experience going back thousands of years inextricably linked to race/DNA. It's why

It isn't just ideas, because you can have countrymen/kinfolk who disagree on ideas/beliefs but are still countrymen/kinfolk.

---

This might have some truth, in general, but deddog is a different skin tone than me and comes across as one of the best conservative, patriotic posters on here. Also seems like a Christian.

Our 5y/o daughter's Indian friend's parents are fully Americanized and devoutly Christian. Wonderful people.

Do I have some problems with the ones that refuse to assimilate, in particular the boomer aged ones who are rude as hell? Absolutely. But I think Asians/Indians, by and large, are a good example to other migrant groups on how to properly assimilate.

But I would trade ANY white liberal for the most non-assimilating Indian. Wish we could deport white liberals more than anyone, aside from maybe Muslims.

---

Indian Christians tend to be good people, so much so that the Hindus in India love to try to take advantage of them. I've known several Indian Christians and they were good people who loved this country. One of them is third generation (grandparents on both sides came from India) and she's is an awesome person. Red ass Aggie in the extreme (even after all the time since she graduated, she could still fill in for the Yell Leaders if needed), very conservative, Christian, and probably the only doctor of Indian descent I would go see without hesitation of I needed her specialty.

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"I think we should allow Indian Christians in because I know a few of them and they are good folks".

This is just like Old MacDonald who wanted us to hand out green cards to Muslims "because Abdul down the street lets his kids play with my kids and his wife brings us delicious biryani for Ramadan".

Very naive and ill-informed take.

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Why am I not surprised that is your take. /eyeroll

infinity ag said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Zobel said:

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

---

Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

---

But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

---

This. I also am tired of always catering to either Muslims or Jews...or giving them so much of our attention. We should be emphasizing focus on Christians. Christians from India, Christians from Nigeria, Christians from South America etc etc. Preferably young families.

As it is now, we don;t even really vet people. What good is diversity if it is a hindrance to unity? We start focusing on Christians and we will become more united and prove that racial diversity can work in the long haul, as long as you have the same priorities, visions and goals.

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So you want to discriminate on the basis of religion.

I don't think deddog agrees with you on this. Could you please clarify, deddog?

I don't agree either.

Don't think that just being Christian will bring forth Utopia that you desire.

BTW, there are several Indian Christians who use America like a hoar for their personal needs. Like Francisco D'Souza, the ex CEO of COGNIZANT. He is the one who needs to be imprisoned, not the new guy Ravi Kumar who might get into trouble.

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I want to prioritize based on religion, yes. It's not a magic bullet, but it would do wonders.

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Vessel said:

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This is “Cuckoo Nationalism.”

The cuckoo is a bird that sneaks into other birds’ nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but… https://t.co/8yyKyW0GOs

— Chief Egregore Officer (@ChiefEgregore) September 15, 2026

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This is "****oo Nationalism."

The ****oo is a bird that sneaks into other birds' nests, removes their eggs, and replaces them with its own. Then the other birds come back to their nest and are tricked into feeding and caring for this hatchling that not only is not theirs, but replaced their terminated offspring.

Our civilization is being raided by civilizational ****oos. Our own youth are abandoned, dismissed, and neglected when they aren't just aborted away, meanwhile foreigners are placed in our "nest" at scale and we are told this is good enough, these are the people to whom we should be allocating our national resources.

But they aren't us. They are foreigners with no connection to us. Donning the outer trappings of our society is just a trick to deceive us into the intolerable ****oo relationship. Like a ****oo evolving to lay an egg that more closely resembles the eggs of its primary victims. "I wear an outer shell that looks familiar, don't ask questions, give me the resources you secured for your posterity."

We're not doing ****oo Nationalism anymore Joel. We're not going to tolerate the intolerable subversion of our nation, nor the grotesquely unfair conditions our own youth have been subjected to by the ****oo State.

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Extremely salient point. They aren't us and they are seizing what is ours.

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Wow, I'm on the right but this is tough to take. Imagine if God said, "Well only ethnic Jews can go to heaven. I know there are some gentiles out there that really love me but nope, Jews can go because of their ethnic background and what is in the heart doesnt matter.

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Why would I imagine that when that isn't the case? Weird hypothetical that doesn't even make sense. I don't think they can't get to Heaven because they are Indian. I think they aren't American because they are Indian.

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I'll take an immigrant that works his ass off, follows the law, loves the country, would fight for it over many whites. When I see the left burning things, yelling, acting like fools they are often white. Having communism or socialism in your heart is the WORST. Now that trash wants to sieze whats ours

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Working hard, following the law, and loving a country don't make you American. I actually understand why an immigrant would fight for the country over a White American, because the country is now pro-immigrant and anti-white.

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A weird hypothetical ? thats only been around for 2000 years and makes the case that the heart, values, intensity > race. Awesome I'v pissed off the left and the far right on single thread.

BTW your last sentence is a weird paradox. You wouldn't fight for the country because its in your words pro immigrant and anti-white. Is this zoomer logic ? Who do you think made it this way? Leftest whites but since, like leftest whites, you see only race. It gives your world view a giant ball of contradiction .

Hardcore Greg said:

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infinity ag said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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Zobel said:

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The thing is these questions are not new in democracies or republics. We just have some really stupid ideological priors influencing how people view the question (omg u r so racist) that's preventing us from 1) looking back at history to what has solved this before as our founding fathers did and 2) being rational about it.

Hence you get absurdities like someone born here to parents who immigrated illegally yesterday is "just as American as me or you". It isn't true on any level, and if it is you've just redefined "American" in such a way that is so broad as to be useless.

---

Illegal immigrants are by definition un-American. They broke a pretty big law to get into this country, consume resources that could and should be used to work with those immigrating legally.

The legal immigration process is long (and should be). But what is kinda disappointing in that process is that it doesn't really try to make sure your values and ethics line up with American values and ethics. If you want immigration to be successful, that is the #1 thing to be fixed. That and consistently denying anti-American folks.

---

But how would you test for values?
Most non Americans with whom I talk about such things, it is clear that they most of them view America as an economic zone for jobs and wealth. They even have US passports but their hearts are where they came from. This is dangerous.

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Absolutely. 100%.

Anyone who has a green card for over 5 years and not applied for citizenship should have their green cards revoked.

You absolutely do need to check social media. Anybody with anti-American posts should never get a Visa of any kind (and i don't care who the President is, you respect the office, not the person).

And you have to be able to speak English.

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This. I also am tired of always catering to either Muslims or Jews...or giving them so much of our attention. We should be emphasizing focus on Christians. Christians from India, Christians from Nigeria, Christians from South America etc etc. Preferably young families.

As it is now, we don;t even really vet people. What good is diversity if it is a hindrance to unity? We start focusing on Christians and we will become more united and prove that racial diversity can work in the long haul, as long as you have the same priorities, visions and goals.

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So you want to discriminate on the basis of religion.

I don't think deddog agrees with you on this. Could you please clarify, deddog?

I don't agree either.

Don't think that just being Christian will bring forth Utopia that you desire.

BTW, there are several Indian Christians who use America like a hoar for their personal needs. Like Francisco D'Souza, the ex CEO of COGNIZANT. He is the one who needs to be imprisoned, not the new guy Ravi Kumar who might get into trouble.

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I want to prioritize based on religion, yes. It's not a magic bullet, but it would do wonders.

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Thank you for clarifying it. I like it that you are clear in your views unlike many who are wishy washy and couch their opinions in vague terms.

America in religious terms is just another Saudi Arabia.

However, I still disagree with you. Religion works inside the house. Not outside.