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Hardcore Greg
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CDUB98 said:

ChrisTAMU said:

All of the suicidal empathy in this thread is pathetic. Unfortunately, we'll reap what we've sown and it'll be too late.


Yup.

Most, if not all, of these suicidal empathetic Marxists have zero clue how racist others countries, and their offloaded immigrants, really are.

It won't dawn on them until their own children or themselves can't get a job, because it is in no way about meritocracy with them, it's about what tribe to which you belong.

Yep, we better hope Indians/Asians will be as nice and "color blind" as we have been in the admissions and hiring processes in the future. I have concerns that tribalism will win out tho.
unclefish
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As of 2023 only 34% of indians in this country were born here. Pew research and the best data we have on the subject. Its an invasion. Our leaders have betrayed us.
Zobel
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Unfortunately 13% white male undergrad is pretty reflective of state demographics. Something like 25% of Texas HS students are white.
ttu_85
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infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent
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Hardcore Greg said:

CDUB98 said:

ChrisTAMU said:

All of the suicidal empathy in this thread is pathetic. Unfortunately, we'll reap what we've sown and it'll be too late.


Yup.

Most, if not all, of these suicidal empathetic Marxists have zero clue how racist others countries, and their offloaded immigrants, really are.

It won't dawn on them until their own children or themselves can't get a job, because it is in no way about meritocracy with them, it's about what tribe to which you belong.

Yep, we better hope Indians/Asians will be as nice and "color blind" as we have been in the admissions and hiring processes in the future. I have concerns that tribalism will win out tho.

We are already seeing this and at troubling levels. Its already a problem but dont tell the lefty sunshine pumpers know that.
infinity ag
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ttu_85 said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent

Yes I agree with 1998 and peaking around 2015. I saw it all happen.

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I. Just because they are brown doesn't make them less American. If we are saying that, then this is a totally different topic.
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infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.

ttu_85
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infinity ag said:

ttu_85 said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent

Yes I agree with 1998 and peaking around 2015. I saw it all happen.

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I. Just because they are brown doesn't make them less American. If we are saying that, then this is a totally different topic.

My arguments in this tread have been from a law abiding and citizenship perspective not racial. The far right and far left, thats all they see.
Hardcore Greg
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ttu_85 said:

Hardcore Greg said:

CDUB98 said:

ChrisTAMU said:

All of the suicidal empathy in this thread is pathetic. Unfortunately, we'll reap what we've sown and it'll be too late.


Yup.

Most, if not all, of these suicidal empathetic Marxists have zero clue how racist others countries, and their offloaded immigrants, really are.

It won't dawn on them until their own children or themselves can't get a job, because it is in no way about meritocracy with them, it's about what tribe to which you belong.

Yep, we better hope Indians/Asians will be as nice and "color blind" as we have been in the admissions and hiring processes in the future. I have concerns that tribalism will win out tho.

We are already seeing this and at troubling levels. Its already a problem but dont tell the lefty sunshine pumpers know that.

Will be interesting to see how jaded white Gen Z males eventually repond. Between racial groups and females discriminating against them in the hiring process, significantly limiting their opportunities.

A simple "thank you" would have done, but instead, these groups will almost certainly actively seek to suppress their opportunities. Maybe not out of malice for whites, but out of undying love and preference for members of their own race.

Crazy to think about. Especially when you consider which demographic owns by far the most firearms. Not at all advocating for any type of violence...it just makes it even crazier to think about.
Hardcore Greg
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infinity ag said:

ttu_85 said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent

Yes I agree with 1998 and peaking around 2015. I saw it all happen.

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I. Just because they are brown doesn't make them less American. If we are saying that, then this is a totally different topic.

My wife is first generation Asian-American and, to be honest, I do consider her less of an American than me. One side of my family has been here since the 1600's...my native ancestors have been here for THOUSANDS of years. My ancestors have both died and killed for this country.

I am not saying we need to be like her country, or other Asian countries, and only consider the racially pure to ever be citizens (i.e. my half Asian daughter could have offspring born in Korea and they will never be considered real Koreans because their blood is tainted with whiteness)...but to me, tenure does matter. Someone who has been here for many generations is more American to me than someone who was barely born here...IN GENERAL.

That being said, some immigrants, even before gaining citizenship are EXTREMELY patriotic and absolutely love this country. Typically those who have escaped the oppressive clutches of leftism in their home country. And I consider them more American than a lot of natives...especially leftist ones.

In my ideal world, you would not have the right to vote in this country until you are 2nd gen. Maybe 3rd. Until then, just be grateful that we took you in, learn the lay of ths land, and try to assimilate as best you can. It's crazy that first gen Somali Muslims can vote and change the landscape of entire cities, states and eventually the country, in such short order.
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Yep, we better hope Indians/Asians will be as nice and "color blind" as we have been in the admissions and hiring processes in the future. I have concerns that tribalism will win out tho.


Lawsuit going on that at SMU right now.

https://poetsandquants.com/2026/05/19/southern-methodist-prof-sues-cox-school-over-alleged-tenure-bias-favoring-indian-faculty/

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A Chinese-American accounting professor has sued Southern Methodist University, alleging that the university's Cox School of Business systematically favored Indian-origin faculty members in tenure and promotion decisions while discriminating against non-Indian candidates.

The lawsuit, filed last year in federal court in the Northern District of Texas and first reported by independent journalist Christopher Brunet, was brought by Sean Wang, an assistant professor of accounting at SMU. Wang alleges violations of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and claims the university subjected him to unequal treatment, retaliation, and discriminatory tenure standards.

A Chinese-American accounting professor has sued Southern Methodist University, alleging that the university's Cox School of Business systematically favored Indian-origin faculty members in tenure and promotion decisions while discriminating against non-Indian candidates.

The lawsuit, filed last year in federal court in the Northern District of Texas and first reported by independent journalist Christopher Brunet, was brought by Sean Wang, an assistant professor of accounting at SMU. Wang alleges violations of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act and claims the university subjected him to unequal treatment, retaliation, and discriminatory tenure standards.

Wang's lawsuit argues that he exceeded the school's stated research expectations, publishing 10 papers in top-tier journals that had been cited nearly 2,000 times. The complaint alleges that despite those credentials, he repeatedly received criticism that he lacked "fit" within the department a term the suit characterizes as subjective and discriminatory.

The court filing also alleges disparities beyond tenure review itself. Wang claims Indian-origin faculty members received more desirable office assignments in a newly opened building, while East Asian faculty were relegated to less desirable locations.


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infinity ag said:

ttu_85 said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent

Yes I agree with 1998 and peaking around 2015. I saw it all happen.

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I. Just because they are brown doesn't make them less American. If we are saying that, then this is a totally different topic.


I think we are saying that.
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Zobel said:

Unfortunately 13% white male undergrad is pretty reflective of state demographics. Something like 25% of Texas HS students are white.


Which is as infuriating as it is disheartening.
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Indian population in the US has doubled since 2010 (census data)...it is roughly 2/3 immigrant (which is H1B driven) vs 1/3 native born. H1B is driving the rapid increase in the Indian population.

Fraud in the H1B program has been rampant. The whole system had to be redesigned and was not changed until 2024; and then had to be redesigned again in 2025. No one debates the existence of large-scale staffing-firms and lottery fraud/abuse from India; they just haggle over the percentage. Auditing stopped back in 2008 when the best audit numbers had it at 21%; vs consular officers pegging it at 90%. It's convenient that they stopped auditing it isn't it. Also keep in mind, H1B was supposed to be for talent that cannot be had in the US organically...not run of the mill IT jobs.

College entrance testing fraud - well, India is the world champ on forged documents related to college entrance. Millions of cases each year are caught inside India; it's institutional. If not caught and prosecuted in India (most are not prosecuted), then India is #4 in terms of cases of documented SAT fraud (behind China, Nigeria, S Korea). There are millions trying to get into US colleges from India, much larger than any other country.

Now, taking all these factors into account, seeing a disproportionate representation it seems only natural to ask the question; how did this happen?

Is it racist to point out that the most likely route for these "students" was 1) institutional, at scale, visa fraud by their parents; and 2) their resulting birth-right citizenship. Is it racist to ask if their test scores are valid, when the majority of Indian test scores are not valid at the institutional level (millions each year caught in India before even getting to the US)? I don't personally find asking these questions racist. They're certainly smoke. They're just questions.

See, this is what happens when you open US "formerly high trust" institutions to places that have no experience with that type of system. Cheating the institution is a cultural norm in China, India, etc. Rules bind the other guy; not me and my clan. Getting caught is a cost of doing business; not a career ender. The rules are simply an obstacle. There's quite a lot of academic work on this by the way (and we know academia isn't racist don't we?); in addition to the personal experiences of anyone that has actually lived or worked in those environments. I never imagined some of the controls that were required in my businesses in those markets vs the US.




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japantiger said:

Indian population in the US has doubled since 2010 (census data)...it is roughly 2/3 immigrant (which is H1B driven) vs 1/3 native born. H1B is driving the rapid increase in the Indian population.

Now, taking all these factors into account, seeing a disproportionate representation it seems only natural to ask the question; how did this happen?

It happened 'because of' politicians like John Cornyn.
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japantiger said:

Indian population in the US has doubled since 2010 (census data)...it is roughly 2/3 immigrant (which is H1B driven) vs 1/3 native born. H1B is driving the rapid increase in the Indian population.

Fraud in the H1B program has been rampant. The whole system had to be redesigned and was not changed until 2024; and then had to be redesigned again in 2025. No one debates the existence of large-scale staffing-firms and lottery fraud/abuse from India; they just haggle over the percentage. Auditing stopped back in 2008 when the best audit numbers had it at 21%; vs consular officers pegging it at 90%. It's convenient that they stopped auditing it isn't it. Also keep in mind, H1B was supposed to be for talent that cannot be had in the US organically...not run of the mill IT jobs.

College entrance testing fraud - well, India is the world champ on forged documents related to college entrance. Millions of cases each year are caught inside India; it's institutional. If not caught and prosecuted in India (most are not prosecuted), then India is #4 in terms of cases of documented SAT fraud (behind China, Nigeria, S Korea). There are millions trying to get into US colleges from India, much larger than any other country.

Now, taking all these factors into account, seeing a disproportionate representation it seems only natural to ask the question; how did this happen?

Is it racist to point out that the most likely route for these "students" was 1) institutional, at scale, visa fraud by their parents; and 2) their resulting birth-right citizenship. Is it racist to ask if their test scores are valid, when the majority of Indian test scores are not valid at the institutional level (millions each year caught in India before even getting to the US)? I don't personally find asking these questions racist. They're certainly smoke. They're just questions.

See, this is what happens when you open US "formerly high trust" institutions to places that have no experience with that type of system. Cheating the institution is a cultural norm in China, India, etc. Rules bind the other guy; not me and my clan. Getting caught is a cost of doing business; not a career ender. The rules are simply an obstacle. There's quite a lot of academic work on this by the way (and we know academia isn't racist don't we?); in addition to the personal experiences of anyone that has actually lived or worked in those environments. I never imagined some of the controls that were required in my businesses in those markets vs the US.






Only 3% of undergrads are international students. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get into an American University and almost impossible to get into a professional school.

So all the cheating and forgeries are happening for (non-professional) graduate schooling. NONE of the people in the original picture are from that group.

What is the physical mechanism by which an American born student could cheat on the SAT or MCAT or USMLE or Internal Medicine Board Exam? Have you ever been to a Prometric or Pearson testing center?
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infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.


Oh okay, the data is wrong.


I am sorry, my earlier response was incomplete.

Yes, there has been a flood of Indians since 2010. More than half? Maybe but I haven't seen the data. It is possible since the influx has been ridiculous. Please post the data. I am not contesting you on that one.


Those kids in the picture don't seem like they are foreigners who just flew in. They may be kids of H1Bs who are born here (so they are Americans). I am contesting you on that point.


Here is the data:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/journal/spotlight/indian-immigrants-united-states

It's actually more than half. The odds of those kids being American born entirely is close to zero.
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japantiger said:

Indian population in the US has doubled since 2010 (census data)...it is roughly 2/3 immigrant (which is H1B driven) vs 1/3 native born. H1B is driving the rapid increase in the Indian population.

Fraud in the H1B program has been rampant. The whole system had to be redesigned and was not changed until 2024; and then had to be redesigned again in 2025. No one debates the existence of large-scale staffing-firms and lottery fraud/abuse from India; they just haggle over the percentage. Auditing stopped back in 2008 when the best audit numbers had it at 21%; vs consular officers pegging it at 90%. It's convenient that they stopped auditing it isn't it. Also keep in mind, H1B was supposed to be for talent that cannot be had in the US organically...not run of the mill IT jobs.

College entrance testing fraud - well, India is the world champ on forged documents related to college entrance. Millions of cases each year are caught inside India; it's institutional. If not caught and prosecuted in India (most are not prosecuted), then India is #4 in terms of cases of documented SAT fraud (behind China, Nigeria, S Korea). There are millions trying to get into US colleges from India, much larger than any other country.

Now, taking all these factors into account, seeing a disproportionate representation it seems only natural to ask the question; how did this happen?

Is it racist to point out that the most likely route for these "students" was 1) institutional, at scale, visa fraud by their parents; and 2) their resulting birth-right citizenship. Is it racist to ask if their test scores are valid, when the majority of Indian test scores are not valid at the institutional level (millions each year caught in India before even getting to the US)? I don't personally find asking these questions racist. They're certainly smoke. They're just questions.

See, this is what happens when you open US "formerly high trust" institutions to places that have no experience with that type of system. Cheating the institution is a cultural norm in China, India, etc. Rules bind the other guy; not me and my clan. Getting caught is a cost of doing business; not a career ender. The rules are simply an obstacle. There's quite a lot of academic work on this by the way (and we know academia isn't racist don't we?); in addition to the personal experiences of anyone that has actually lived or worked in those environments. I never imagined some of the controls that were required in my businesses in those markets vs the US.







Jugaad explains all of this behavior and Izzat explains why they will never ever admit any wrongdoing and do nothing but attack you for pointing it out. The loss of Izzat (aka extreme social standing) is worse than death and they will do anything to gain it back.
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fc2112 said:

infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.




Yes it is. It is also debatable that they are foreigners. That exactly is my point.
If they were white-skinned, this would not be an issue.
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Hardcore Greg said:

infinity ag said:

ttu_85 said:

infinity ag said:

Spergin said:

VaterAg said:

Vox Clamantis said:

VaterAg said:

Zobel said:




this is good, and right, and necessary for us to be a superpower - is that your stance?


The demographics changes happened, man. The US looks very different today than it did 50 years ago and will look very different in 50 years than it does today. All these folks are Americans, regardless of what they look like or who their ancestors are. Division based on arbitrary factors such as skin color and not merit will only weaken us as a whole.



If they were albino we wouldn't want them either. Skin color is such a weak argument. Skin color is only an easy heuristic for your region of origin.


As was pointed out, these folks are American, born and raised in the US. In many cases, their parents too were born in the US. Can you explain why you don't them then if it isn't skin color? And while you are at it, show how it isn't as arbitrary as skin color.




This is an abject lie. More than half of all Indians have arrived in the US since 2010. There is a very high chance thatnone of the people in the picture in the OP were born here at all.


Total nonsense.

Well lets do the math. Indians STARTED appearing in the Texas tech industry in significant numbers around 1998. Remember "started appearing." Then peaking around 2015. So a good number say 30% could be American born but using that same logic a more of them are likely foreign born. And remember if there is one school in Texas that is about the all mighty dollar its that one. I bet international students pay out the nose and into those $$$ coffers. Dont you know those admission stats get bent

Yes I agree with 1998 and peaking around 2015. I saw it all happen.

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I. Just because they are brown doesn't make them less American. If we are saying that, then this is a totally different topic.

My wife is first generation Asian-American and, to be honest, I do consider her less of an American than me. One side of my family has been here since the 1600's...my native ancestors have been here for THOUSANDS of years. My ancestors have both died and killed for this country.

I am not saying we need to be like her country, or other Asian countries, and only consider the racially pure to ever be citizens (i.e. my half Asian daughter could have offspring born in Korea and they will never be considered real Koreans because their blood is tainted with whiteness)...but to me, tenure does matter. Someone who has been here for many generations is more American to me than someone who was barely born here...IN GENERAL.

That being said, some immigrants, even before gaining citizenship are EXTREMELY patriotic and absolutely love this country. Typically those who have escaped the oppressive clutches of leftism in their home country. And I consider them more American than a lot of natives...especially leftist ones.

In my ideal world, you would not have the right to vote in this country until you are 2nd gen. Maybe 3rd. Until then, just be grateful that we took you in, learn the lay of ths land, and try to assimilate as best you can. It's crazy that first gen Somali Muslims can vote and change the landscape of entire cities, states and eventually the country, in such short order.


You can think whatever you like, that is your choice. But that is not what the law says. If she was born here, she is a US citizen with the same rights as you (assuming you were born in the US)
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Spergin said:


Jugaad explains all of this behavior and Izzat explains why they will never ever admit any wrongdoing and do nothing but attack you for pointing it out. The loss of Izzat (aka extreme social standing) is worse than death and they will do anything to gain it back.

Which one of these explains why Indian women over the age of 55-60 never seem to smile and mostly look at me like they want to kill me when I am being polite?

Is that the most rude and cold demographic in the entire world? Goodness. I much prefer my culture.
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Ben Shapiro arguing furiously on X this morning that there is nothing wrong with this takeover. Shapiro and his followers/listeners are enemies of America.
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US Citizen =/= American
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hell yeah

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Hardcore Greg said:

Spergin said:


Jugaad explains all of this behavior and Izzat explains why they will never ever admit any wrongdoing and do nothing but attack you for pointing it out. The loss of Izzat (aka extreme social standing) is worse than death and they will do anything to gain it back.

Which one of these explains why Indian women over the age of 55-60 never seem to smile and mostly look at me like they want to kill me when I am being polite?

Is that the most rude and cold demographic in the entire world? Goodness. I much prefer my culture.


Maybe it is because they think you want to F them?
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infinity ag said:

fc2112 said:

infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.




Yes it is. It is also debatable that they are foreigners. That exactly is my point.
If they were white-skinned, this would not be an issue.

Correct. This is a white country.

A random German living in Germany right now has infinitely more in common with an American than a random Indian living in America.
Hardcore Greg
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You can think whatever you like, that is your choice. But that is not what the law says. If she was born here, she is a US citizen with the same rights as you (assuming you were born in the US)


Our laws are silly. That is like me as a white boy being born unexpectedly while parents are visiting Mexico or China or India, getting citizenship and thinking I am just as Mexican or Chinese or Indian as the people who have been there for hundreds of years LOL. I mean, yeah, on paper maybe, but they would laugh at me if I tried to make the case that I was just as Mexican/Chinese/Indian. And anyone from those countries calling US "racist" gets a hearty laugh from me. These countries are supremely racist compared to us.

But yeah, I would assimilate, respect the prevailing cultures, but know my place and defer to the natives. Knowing that i was not as Mexican/Chinese/Indian as them...and being fine with that.
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Vessel said:

infinity ag said:

fc2112 said:

infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.




Yes it is. It is also debatable that they are foreigners. That exactly is my point.
If they were white-skinned, this would not be an issue.

Correct. This is a was awhite country.

A random German living in Germany right now has infinitely more in common with an American than a random Indian living in America.


FIFY.

For the record, I have no issue with people of different ethnicities and nations immigrating. However, I have an issue when it disproportionately changes the ethnic makeup of our nation. Even JFK supported certain quotas. What's infuriating is when you realize this is an intentional move to wholesale change the demographics with intention of causing division and demoralization.
Hardcore Greg
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Queso1 said:

Vessel said:

infinity ag said:

fc2112 said:

infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.




Yes it is. It is also debatable that they are foreigners. That exactly is my point.
If they were white-skinned, this would not be an issue.

Correct. This is a was awhite country.

A random German living in Germany right now has infinitely more in common with an American than a random Indian living in America.


FIFY.

For the record, I have no issue with people of different ethnicities and nations immigrating. However, I have an issue when it disproportionately changes the ethnic makeup of our nation. Even JFK supported certain quotas. What's infuriating is when you realize this is an intentional move to wholesale change the demographics with intention of causing division and demoralization.

I truly believe this is likely the case. And that acive participants like Cornyn aren't even aware of the more sinister and diabolical goals of such policy.

Look, we're all getting called "racist" because we don't want INFINITY foreigners replacing us and our offspring...or impacting our way of life. I was always fine with Indian immigrants, we have great Indian family friends out here who are strong Christians. But I don't necessarily want an endless stream of them. I don't want them to consolidate in our suburban neighborhood to the point where my daughter has to forego sports or any sort of a life outside of school just in order to have a shot at getting into any state university. Will they even include her in their massive cheating rings, if she is not Indian?

Just look at Western Europe...has to be all by design. At least our invasion is less Muslim in nature.
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Queso1 said:

Vessel said:

infinity ag said:

fc2112 said:

infinity ag said:

I think those kids in the pic were children of H1Bs born in the US. Hence US citizens like you and I.




Yes it is. It is also debatable that they are foreigners. That exactly is my point.
If they were white-skinned, this would not be an issue.

Correct. This is a was awhite country.

A random German living in Germany right now has infinitely more in common with an American than a random Indian living in America.


FIFY.

For the record, I have no issue with people of different ethnicities and nations immigrating. However, I have an issue when it disproportionately changes the ethnic makeup of our nation. Even JFK supported certain quotas. What's infuriating is when you realize this is an intentional move to wholesale change the demographics with intention of causing division and demoralization.


And the Commies keep calling Replacement Theory a myth.
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I hate to tell you this, but none of us had any skill, decision, impact on choosing our parents or our long dead ancestors from 100's or 1000's of years ago.

Ancestry should be completely irrelevant in every way. And yes, I laugh every time I see those ancestry.com commercials. While I'm appreciative of my parents, their parents, etc.....I don't believe that I deserve more than anyone else just because of when my now-dead-relatives got to the US sooner than someone else's relatives tens or hundreds of years ago.

Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
Zobel
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you don't believe this unless you treat your own children exactly the same as everyone else's.
Sweep4-2
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When my son applied to college, I didn't tell him to talk about how long ago his ancestors had come to the US if that's what you mean.

I expected him to be treated the same as all other applicants. Does that help?

And yes, I laugh at all of the ancestry.com. and at anyone who acts like their ancestry determines what they deserve in life. You deserve what you work for and what you deliver. That's it.

No "Do you know who my dad is and who his dad was and who his dad was???" is needed IMO.
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
TAMU1990
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AgGrad99 said:

Part of what's lost on the discussion, is not the crowd at the game, but what it represents.

90% of incoming freshman at texas have to be Texas residents. But that doesnt mean citizen. You just need to establish residency, to get in-State tuition and acceptance. So if H1b recipients flood an area, and live there for a couple years, their kids are eligible. So you have abuse of the H1b system by corporations, giving jobs to immigrants that otherwise would go to citizens...for the obvious cost benefits. And as a result, their kids take spots that again, would have otherwise gone to citizens...and then the jobs after graduation. Is that the case for all of them? No. But if you live in an area like this, you know it's the vast majority.

It's not so much the changing demographics on UT's campus, or those kids in general...it's just a symptom of our State at the moment, getting over-run by H1b families, and pushing out lifelong Texans from University spots, jobs, etc.

it is what it is, and I'm not excusing his stupid post, and the racist comments. But there is a real issue with abuse of the system, and this picture just perpetuated the debate. But people are myopically focusing on the students, and not the bigger picture.

This is the number I want to see. How many were from H1b families and graduated from a Texas HS? Therefore, they are included in the in state category. They are not citizens.
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Sweep4-2 said:

When my son applied to college, I didn't tell him to talk about how long ago his ancestors had come to the US if that's what you mean.

I expected him to be treated the same as all other applicants. Does that help?

And yes, I laugh at all of the ancestry.com. and at anyone who acts like their ancestry determines what they deserve in life.


I've always thought the "love" towards ancestors is a little silly. We can appreciate what some of them did but I don't have to defend or care about what they believed. They evolved beyond their ancestors and so do we.
 
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