HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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There is a reason all the stories about franchise value talk about what great revenue the teams have and don't even try to estimate profit. Because so much of the expenses are carried by the NBA team and their facilities, staff, etc. are subsidized by the NBA teams that also own the WNBA franchises, the actual profitability is negative for most teams. But for an NBA owner who also owns a WNBA franchise, he already owns the arena, so if he can put 22 more regular season games worth of butts in the seats for which he gets to keep all the concessions and gate instead of splitting with some other concert or event promoter, it is worth it.

HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

Here you go. They want their own league. Language warning.

94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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Is the NBA covering your losses too?

Science Denier said:

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Here you go. They want their own league. Language warning.

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That was pretty educational. Kinda got to the heart of the matter.

94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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Exactly. I want my house to be on the books for $1.

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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Exactly. I want my house to be on the books for $1.

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And another point is that the $150k value on the rental property is probably based on its value for somebody to live in or use as a vacation property (depending on where it is), not its value as a rental property. Its value as a rental property is much lower if he is currently losing $5k/year on it.

The values of these franchises are built on their revenue and profitability. In the case of a non-NBA owner, the need to secure a place to play the games and split gate and concessions with the arena owner greatly diminishes their ability to turn a profit only playing 22 regular season home games per season. NBA owners of WNBA teams can use arenas they already own for their NBA teams and get to keep all of the gate and concessions sales. So the franchise's peak value is very specific to potential buyers who already own an NBA team and that control their own arenas. The value to anybody else is much lower because the revenue is lower and the costs are higher.

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Exactly. I want my house to be on the books for $1.

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Most people want their houses on concrete slabs, but you do you.

txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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And I already pointed out a franchise that was purchased this year for $300 million, and another one that sold a portion, with a projected full sale of $450 million. Go ahead, look it up.

No effing duh that you can't spend paper gains until you sell them. This is how the wealthy avoid paying taxes. They just take out huge low interest loans using their paper gains as collateral, report zero income, and even when they die they get a basis reset for their kids. Look that up too.

94chem said:

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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And I already pointed out a franchise that was purchased this year for $300 million, and another one that sold a portion, with a projected full sale of $450 million. Go ahead, look it up.

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Great. When will the team break even?

Until it does we are talking Amway franchise valuations.

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94chem said:

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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And I already pointed out a franchise that was purchased this year for $300 million, and another one that sold a portion, with a projected full sale of $450 million. Go ahead, look it up.

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Great. When will the team break even?

Until it does we are talking Amway franchise valuations.

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Seriously? Every business that's negative cash flow is an Amway franchise? I thought A&M had a business school.

94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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I really hope you are not in charge of any major business or their finances...lol

For example, if the NBA ever decided to cut the cord a team like the SUN would immediately go out of business do you think thats a good investment? League only has any value because of the NBA.

A couple of you guys need to start another thread to discuss the crap yall keep talking about.

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A couple of you guys need to start another thread to discuss the crap yall keep talking about.

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Post of the day.

The great thing about the WNBA is that if you're not interested you don't have to pay it any attention. I think I've watched one game ever. But I've also only watched two NBA games in forty years. Basketball. Pfft.

94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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Because it's gone up in value, do you not count the extra property taxes and insurance you pay each year on top of the $5K loss? Or is that part of the $5K?

94chem said:

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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HaroldShipmanAg said:

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NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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I lose $5K a year on my rental property, but it's gone up $150K in value in 6 years. Why is this math so hard for you?

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And everybody keeps pointing out that the increase in paper value is worthless to you until you actually get somebody to pay you that, just like the paper valuations for the WNBA franchises. Actually, the increase in value hurts you by costing you more in taxes.

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And I already pointed out a franchise that was purchased this year for $300 million, and another one that sold a portion, with a projected full sale of $450 million. Go ahead, look it up.

No effing duh that you can't spend paper gains until you sell them. This is how the wealthy avoid paying taxes. They just take out huge low interest loans using their paper gains as collateral, report zero income, and even when they die they get a basis reset for their kids. Look that up too.

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Without the NBA money the value would disappear


The league operates at an estimated net financial loss of roughly $50 million per year across its teams, which is why the NBA's funding is required.


Lets be honest, its more than that with the new CBA, lol.

The growth is fictional at best and the league is money sink of failure. Profit is the only thing that matters, and long term they WILL HAVE NONE. Its literally not possible for the teams to make money. No one watches

Aggie Dad Sip said:

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The great thing about the WNBA is that if you're not interested you don't have to pay it any attention. I think I've watched one game ever. But I've also only watched two NBA games in forty years. Basketball. Pfft.

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its part of the larger cultural war going on in this country unfortunately we are subjected to it ad nauseam

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Are the majority of WNBA fans lesbians? I'm trying to understand why they are running the league this way.

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1/3 social justice warriors, 1/3 Caitlin Clark fans, and 1/3 trolls just here to throw dildos and laugh at Angel Reese's horrific offensive game

The story of DiJonai Carrington is every parent’s worst nightmare. 👇

In high school she was a normal, grounded kid.

A devoted Christian.

Her father was a pastor.

No blonde wig.

No heavy makeup.

No radical politics.

Then in 2016 she went to Stanford.

Four years later she… pic.twitter.com/RBlxMT3mwF

— Pro America Politics (@proamericapol) August 11, 2026

Pretty sad.

nortex97 said:

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The story of DiJonai Carrington is every parent’s worst nightmare. 👇

In high school she was a normal, grounded kid.

A devoted Christian.

Her father was a pastor.

No blonde wig.

No heavy makeup.

No radical politics.

Then in 2016 she went to Stanford.

Four years later she… pic.twitter.com/RBlxMT3mwF

— Pro America Politics (@proamericapol) August 11, 2026

Pretty sad.

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Universities have become left wing seminaries. If your kid isn't going to college to get an education that will directly help them obtain a well paying job you're wasting your money and possibly damaging your child for life.

Syd Colson is saying out loud the subcontext that has been in the WNBA for at least a decade, probably longer.

The old guard don't see the league's purpose as providing entertainment to sports fans. They see it as a platform they can use to support their social justice activism… https://t.co/aOqHSVE2zt

— Shira (@shiradotnet) August 11, 2026

Backyard Gator said:

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Syd Colson is saying out loud the subcontext that has been in the WNBA for at least a decade, probably longer.

The old guard don't see the league's purpose as providing entertainment to sports fans. They see it as a platform they can use to support their social justice activism… https://t.co/aOqHSVE2zt

— Shira (@shiradotnet) August 11, 2026

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Syd has failed at adulthood.

i legit wonder if all this wnba stuff is a psyop hatched in some marketing firm because legit the wnba has never had more interest than right now and its in their best interest to keep it going

its wwe. you find a heel you find a hero and you pit them against eachother and people dont care about the action because they're there for the stories

The WNBA was founded by black women, so it is primarily a platform for them to speak about what they want?

Nah, sister. That ain't how that works. It's entertainment. Most of the country is regular folks who don't want muh racism and LGBTQwhatever preached at them.

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i legit wonder if all this wnba stuff is a psyop hatched in some marketing firm because legit the nba has never had more interest than right now and its in their best interest to keep it going

its wwe. you find a heel you find a hero and you pit them against eachother and people dont care about the action because they're there for the stories

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The NBA or the WNBA?

So disappointed in Sydney

GeorgiAg said:

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The WNBA was founded by black women, so it is primarily a platform for them to speak about what they want?

Nah, sister. That ain't how that works. It's entertainment. Most of the country is regular folks who don't want muh racism and LGBTQwhatever preached at them.

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This is why they are acting out - they are losing control. And they know it and they fear it.

The league will never be the same again - it will be greatly improved - but that does not matter to them.

What matters is they are losing control of the message and the power.


The league was never about success or value or profit - not to the players. The league was about power and a platform for their message. Without that they have nothing.

Couldn't happen to a better group of losers.

The fact that it is being brought about by a few straight white women is the ultimate slap in the face. Bwahahahahaha!!!

bubblesthechimp said:

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i legit wonder if all this wnba stuff is a psyop hatched in some marketing firm because legit the nba has never had more interest than right now and its in their best interest to keep it going

its wwe. you find a heel you find a hero and you pit them against eachother and people dont care about the action because they're there for the stories

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They are desperate for attention, so I do think the Clark vs the refs (and the league) is a part of that. Anything to get the social media focused on their league is a win in their eyes (I believe).

I refuse to even turn the WNBA games on, but SportsCenter forces it on you. Between the WNBA and the WWE, they are making SportsCenter unwatchable. But its getting to be college football time, so I guess I just need to keep the remote handy so that I can mute it when needed.

my bad. the wnba. edited my post.

5 years ago none of us could name a single player. now we're talking inter player feuds and going as deep as knowing players political viewpoints. eyeballs means dollars.

some marketing whiz is cackling at how well they've harnessed the culture wars to get people caring about womens basketball for whatever reason

GeorgiAg said:

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The WNBA was founded by black women, so it is primarily a platform for them to speak about what they want?

Nah, sister. That ain't how that works. It's entertainment. Most of the country is regular folks who don't want muh racism and LGBTQwhatever preached at them.

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Now that he has passed away, I guess David Stern identifies as a black woman.