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samurai_science said:

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94chem said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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It was mentioned several pages back that team valuations also inflated due to tax treatment

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So what? Tesla paid $0 in taxes last year. Owners sell franchises all the time after using the taxpayers to jack up their value (remember George W. Bush?). Separating people from their money is the primary goal of business. The WNBA is doing pretty well in that regard.

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Each team is losing at least 20-40 million even with the new revenue and the only people they are separating from their money is nba owners.

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Wut!?

I thought the 40 to 50 Million dollars lost was the league total, not per team.

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You're right. That poster is incorrect. And now, a lot of those losses are investment related, where the negative cash flow isn't just a sinkhole.

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Their coach is on borrowed time. When the two most popular players in the league want her out, she done…..as she should be

It's very interesting to see how the league is reacting. I don't see ANY white lesbian players saying anything. The only ones talking and assaulting these white players are black. Fatigue..

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That body language was remarkable. I can't imagine my coach defending an opponent for committing that foul. That was Pam Bondi-level embarrassing.

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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what a joke...

That's because her girlfriend is black. Look at her players body language they hate her. pic.twitter.com/biyMNEihKB

— Trupac (@LudoUnknownmaga) August 10, 2026

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Incredible. After decades of money-losing, crappy salary irrelevance, they finally have a popular superstar with an attractive sidekick) who are doubling and tripling ticket sales and TV ratings by themselves, but they're the wrong color and not lizzys, so the entire league, including their own freaking coach, is trying to run them off.

This is the worst run sports league I've ever seen. The investors need to fire everybody and get some serious leadership.

Or hell maybe I'm an idiot and all these WWE Feuds are driving ratings.

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Good points. I was a little young to fully see what LB and Magic were doing but I do recall MJ in the 90's.
"I wanna be like Mike!"

The game through the 90's was hard hitting and extremely physical. Battles in the paint were brutal. It's one of the things that made MJ so good and so hard to play against. He'd absolutely go toe-to-toe with the defense in under the basket, but he was also fantastic just pulling up and taking the shot from the mid-ranges.

You can have very entertaining and hard hitting physical ball, but his has to be officiated well. The whistles have to blow predictably and it's got to go both ways without exception.

Those guys were all ruthless on the court, but I've heard interviews that they all got along extremely well off court and had some brutal (but respectful) closed door games.

These gals in the WNBA are missing that part. It's just thug street ball that's barely one dribble away from a brawl.

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Bingo. Physical play is fine as long as it is officiated fairly. I quit watching the NBA and never went back when even the league's own announcers felt comfortable saying on air during a game that different players were officiated differently based on their popularity and time in the league.

94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

Marco will save the league!

Why can't both players just play on international teams?

Hill08 said:

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Their coach is on borrowed time. When the two most popular players in the league want her out, she done…..as she should be

It's very interesting to see how the league is reacting. I don't see ANY white lesbian players saying anything. The only ones talking and assaulting these white players are black. Fatigue..

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Nope. She is doing what leadership wants. League leadership, team leadership, and players union. Refs are officiating like they are told to do.

It's the way they want. Which is why Congress threatened that league id violating players civil rights. It's systemic racism starting at the very top.

It's a feature, not a bug.

BlueSmoke said:

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Why can't both players just play on international teams?

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because my guess is they can more more money playing here, esp on the endorsement side

Science Denier said:

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Hill08 said:

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Their coach is on borrowed time. When the two most popular players in the league want her out, she done…..as she should be

It's very interesting to see how the league is reacting. I don't see ANY white lesbian players saying anything. The only ones talking and assaulting these white players are black. Fatigue..

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Nope. She is doing what leadership wants. League leadership, team leadership, and players union. Refs are officiating like they are told to do.

It's the way they want. Which is why Congress threatened that league id violating players civil rights. It's systemic racism starting at the very top.

It's a feature, not a bug.

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U could be right, but if CC wants change Indiana will move on it.

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Hill08 said:

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Their coach is on borrowed time. When the two most popular players in the league want her out, she done…..as she should be

It's very interesting to see how the league is reacting. I don't see ANY white lesbian players saying anything. The only ones talking and assaulting these white players are black. Fatigue..

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Nope. She is doing what leadership wants. League leadership, team leadership, and players union. Refs are officiating like they are told to do.

It's the way they want. Which is why Congress threatened that league id violating players civil rights. It's systemic racism starting at the very top.

It's a feature, not a bug.

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U could be right, but if CC wants change Indiana will move on it.

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League / Fever are not doing anything.

And CC is going to take it.

Her best shot was to quit and play in Europe. They offered her tons. But now, she has approx $16mm/year in endorsements.
- Nike
- Gatorade
- State Farm
- Wilson Sporting Goods

Plus, while ESPN is all in with the lesbos, should she drag up, they will also take a hit. So, when these endorsements run out, they will probably throw in to stop the insanity.

If the franchises are so valuable the league should be able to operate on its own....just sayin

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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BlueSmoke said:

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Why can't both players just play on international teams?

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because my guess is they can more more money playing here, esp on the endorsement side

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Euro and Asian league salaries are larger than WNBA salaries therefore endorsements (as you stated) and notoriety are likely the key factors. Does anyone in the US know a single player in either Europe or Asia?

Trying to get this back to what really matters:

Are the majority of WNBA fans lesbians? I'm trying to understand why they are running the league this way.

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BQ_90 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Would you rather by SF Valkeries or Fullham FC in the EPL? Both are valued about the same amount.

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Would you rather by SF Valkeries or Fullham FC in the EPL? Both are valued about the same amount.

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Ummm...the one turning a profit without needing outside charity funding from a men's team?

" Are the majority of WNBA fans lesbians?"

I was in Charlotte for a 2 yr project back in '98, and attended a Comets @ Sting game…so my answer is a resounding Yes!

I'd say the stadium was 90% empty, and all I saw was butch, butch, and more butch!

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Are the majority of WNBA fans lesbians? I'm trying to understand why they are running the league this way.

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They run the league like a grade school club. Hell, last year they complained about only getting a week off during all star break because they spent too much time having kicking parties and couldn't get ready for their first game. Same this year. And lol at their reaction when Clark put on a show and it was brought out that she didn't party and actually acted like a professional.

The NBA has paid their token losses to keep their virtual signal going and the players like that. They don't like actual basketball being played because they can't do it.

They never cared about profits snd still don't.

They do seem to care that Clark boosted rating so much that their salaries are huge due to the collective bargaining salary cap actually being hit.

But these racist players think the ratings are due to them. lol.

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Are the majority of WNBA fans lesbians? I'm trying to understand why they are running the league this way.

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Anecdotally, every person I know who follows Womens basketball closely, has been a lesbian. Until Clark and Sophie.

I don't even think they are making any strategic decisions on the running of the league. They are blindly following the Democrat partys cultural path, and that's put them in predictably stupid situations.

Their aim is to push the Party's degenerate culture no matter how loathsome it is. In that sense, they are no different than CNN.

akm91 said:

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Would you rather by SF Valkeries or Fullham FC in the EPL? Both are valued about the same amount.

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Tbh, I'd never heard of either of them until the past 24 hours.

txags92 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Tillman just bought the Conn. Sun for $300 million. Franchise fees are now $250 million, up from $50 million, which is what the SF owners paid. The NY franchise just sold shares, indicating a full valuation of $450 million. Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

So you're in favor of the wokeness and the way the WNBA runs itself?

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So you're in favor of the wokeness and the way the WNBA runs itself?

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He didn't say that.
He's arguing that they are making money, and they are valued (while not at a billion) more than we'd like to believe on here.

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Rockdoc said:

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So you're in favor of the wokeness and the way the WNBA runs itself?

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He didn't say that.
He's arguing that they are making money, and they are valued (while not at a billion) more than we'd like to believe on here.

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I didn't say he said it. From reading his posting history I was just curious in general.

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txags92 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Tillman just bought the Conn. Sun for $300 million. Franchise fees are now $250 million, up from $50 million, which is what the SF owners paid. The NY franchise just sold shares, indicating a full valuation of $450 million. Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

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If they are selling shares, would the actions of all of these carpet-munching racists, who are obviously doing what they can to destroy their own league and teams, a matter related to fiduciary responsibility to shareholders?

I don't know, just curious.

If Sophie and Clark hit the road, the fandom is going to take a massive hit for certain. It's all so dumb.

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Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

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How do you know this? There is no transparency about the financials of either the league nor any individual team.

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txags92 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Tillman just bought the Conn. Sun for $300 million. Franchise fees are now $250 million, up from $50 million, which is what the SF owners paid. The NY franchise just sold shares, indicating a full valuation of $450 million. Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

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I wasn't talking about a narrative or that people wouldn't pay money to own a franchise. Maybe you need to read the posts better to see who you are responding to instead of lumping an entire thread worth of posts onto whoever's post you respond to. I just said that nobody was going to pay a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise. The values you were spouting about San Fran's franchise are overinflated and don't have any relation to reality. Paper values are just that...paper. When somebody is willing to pay you that amount, then the value becomes real. There are plenty of reasons for owners to place inflated values on an underperforming asset. There is also a reason that most of the franchises are back under the control of NBA team owners again.

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So you're in favor of the wokeness and the way the WNBA runs itself?

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What a juvenile question. For a school that never once has featured Aggie inventors in the alumni magazine, but runs a feature every year on the top 100 Aggie businesses, one might think that my point could be readily discerned. This isn't some complex scientific concept. It is pretty simple, like most business ideas. How do we separate people from their money, how do we do it repeatedly, and how do we make it sustainable?The devil will be in the execution.

The WNBA needs to immediately begin protecting its most valuable assets by changing the game to promote their talents. The game needs much tighter officiating, more open play, and zero tolerance for conduct detrimental to the league. That "white privilege" tweet should have come with a suspension, just like Yuli Gurriel got for racially mocking Yu Darvish. Colson should get a suspension too.

94chem said:

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txags92 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Tillman just bought the Conn. Sun for $300 million. Franchise fees are now $250 million, up from $50 million, which is what the SF owners paid. The NY franchise just sold shares, indicating a full valuation of $450 million. Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

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Wait for Clark to say she's had enough and moves to Europe. Those franchise fees will go to $1.99 and a set of Ginsu's.

Science Denier said:

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94chem said:

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txags92 said:

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BQ_90 said:

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94chem said:

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samurai_science said:

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Franchise value is fools gold because they are losing money

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The owner of the San Francisco Valkyries has made $950 million in paper gains after a $50 million franchise fee. Let's assume those numbers are 50% off. I still wouldn't mind some of that fool's gold.

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that assumes somebody is willing to pay that. franchise value is based on scarcity.

The Yankees are worth the number because there would be plenty of people in line to buy them. Same with cowboys.

Nobody is buying the Valkyries for whatever that amount is

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Yeah, you can claim a paper value of whatever you want, but it doesn't make it real until somebody is willing to pay you that amount. Nobody is paying anybody a billion dollars for a WNBA franchise.

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Tillman just bought the Conn. Sun for $300 million. Franchise fees are now $250 million, up from $50 million, which is what the SF owners paid. The NY franchise just sold shares, indicating a full valuation of $450 million. Owners are making big money. Sorry if that hurts somebody's narrative. It's just the truth. You don't have to keep doubling down on your feelings. Isn't that what F16 is all about? Aren't the facts all that matters?

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Wait for Clark to say she's had enough and moves to Europe. Those franchise fees will go to $1.99 and a set of Ginsu's.

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Sure, if I were running things, I'd be trying to build a video game and a fantasy basketball league. My kids don't know 1/10th as much ball as me, but they know who all the players are because of their fantasy leagues and Playstation.

It makes your league less dependent on a few names.

NBA subsidizes the WNBA to a tune of 35 million a year, their valuation is complete garbage.

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My 2 biggest disappointments of the Jordan era were:
1) I never really felt that CHI beat DET. I thi k it was more that the Pistons aged out. They never came back after that.
2) CHI never got to play the '95 HOU team. The '93 PHO team was the only peak challenger they got to face. Utah was a good team, but they weren't on the level of the '93 Suns.

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Derailing again, but I'll go to my grave believing that Jordan was sitting out two years due to gambling.

Sucks. Hakeem wanted to no part of the force of nature known as Luc Longley.

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