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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

I'm all for due process, but we have a dead body, a weapon, a confession, and witnesses.

We shouldn't make this harder than it is.

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pretty sure one can assume it is for the 'hoping to kill someone'

no reason to goaltend for it on texags...just realize the dude was a wrong turn away from being like Thomas Johnson in this scenario and give your T&Ps

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T&Ps he gets shanked in prison?

When thug life and twerking are more important to your culture than education … you get to join your culture in the prison system.

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I'm all for due process, but we have a dead body, a weapon, a confession, and witnesses.

We shouldn't make this harder than it is.

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And we are in Frisco, Texas on this one.

I want all you paid protesters to get your arses down to Frisco, Texas and George Flloyd this. Double Dog Dare YOU.

You gotta wait for the verdict for that

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161484438601094&id=592076093

This is a reminder of the type of people you're dealing with. Ignore facts and any evidence. Instead, concoct a narrative out of thin air that supports what I already want to believe. This kind of stupidity is a disease.

AND... there it is... the accusation "the Word" was used and it triggered... nothing else matters... now

At least the gofundme was taken down, but the GSG is now in excess of $250k. All those "racial gatekeepers" just need to shut up send money.

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AND... there it is... the accusation "the Word" was used and it triggered... nothing else matters... now

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That entire narrative is just conjured out of thin air too. I have no idea what happened, I'm open to various scenarios. But if the N word had been dropped, you can be damn sure we would've heard about it from witnesses that same day. Hell the kid himself would've told police about it before they put him in the car

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AND... there it is... the accusation "the Word" was used and it triggered... nothing else matters... now

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We all knew it was coming, and the only people it matters to are the mouth breathers who will believe it because it fits what they want to be true.

And even if it was used, it still doesn't excuse murder so the little **** can still face a very long time in prison.

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https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10161484438601094&id=592076093

This is a reminder of the type of people you're dealing with. Ignore facts and any evidence. Instead, concoct a narrative out of thin air that supports what I already want to believe. This kind of stupidity is a disease.

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lol who is this even, doesn't matter her opinion this dude is cooked

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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I don't like the argument that he shouldn't be there if he wasn't competing. Spectators are allowed at the meet. He could have been cheering on his classmates. I don't think the Metcalf boys run track but they had a right to be there to cheer on their friends.

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Wasn't he supposed to be in school?

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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sam callahan said:

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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What's the likelihood his lawyer will be able to transfer the case out of Collin county? I think he would likely get a more sympathetic jury in Dallas. Although his lawyer would be crazy to take this to trial.

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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What's the likelihood his lawyer will be able to transfer the case out of Collin county? I think he would likely get a more sympathetic jury in Dallas. Although his lawyer would be crazy to take this to trial.

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Not high.

Even with significant pretrial publicity, the county population is over 1 million. They will just have a huge venire panel and strike anyone that says that they cannot be fair and impartial. If it was a small place, then maybe.

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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What's the likelihood his lawyer will be able to transfer the case out of Collin county? I think he would likely get a more sympathetic jury in Dallas. Although his lawyer would be crazy to take this to trial.

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Not high.

Even with significant pretrial publicity, the county population is over 1 million. They will just have a huge venire panel and strike anyone that says that they cannot be fair and impartial. If it was a small place, then maybe.

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Some of the stuff Anthony's father has said almost seemed directed to increasing publicity to support a transfer of venue.

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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Not a lawyer as I presume you are, but how does a crime of "sudden passion" fit into this? Not sure of the necessary bar, but if self-defense is out, I could definitely see a defense of "they called me the n-word, stole my backpack, and pushed me which caused me to act in sudden passion". Is that a reasonable strategy even if unlikely? Is it better just to throw all of the eggs into trying to make a self-defense case?

His going under the tent and provoking the whole situation belies a crime of passion.

Wouldn't you have to pick one defense or the other? I don't think those two things can exist at the same time. And is "crime of passion" actually a defense to prosecution? Or just another thing to impact sentence?

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Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.

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I do believe he is guilty and will ultimately be convicted, but how he is ultimately charged and what he is found guilty of remains to be determined.

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There is no doubt what the charge will be. Murder (F1). Intent to kill can be formed in an instant and does not require any amount of premeditation other than the decision to intentionally stab someone. You do not stab someone in the chest that you do not intend to cause death or serious bodily injury to.

If he threw the knife up in the air recklessly inside the occupied tent and it stabbed and killed someone, it could be manslaughter.

The only out for this kid is a self-defense claim.

That requires that he has a reasonable fear that he was about to imminently suffer death or serious bodily injury from his attacker(s). I cannot conceive of a set of facts from what we have read that would justify his non proportional response to the victim.

If three kids had already punched him, knocked him to the ground, and all 3 were putting the spurs to him, sure he could possibly justify stabbing someone.

That is not this situation. This idiot felt disrespected when he was grabbed and stabbed someone in the chest. Murder F1 all day everyday.

5 to life punishment range. Anything between 15-25 years would be excellent work from his defense counsel. I suspect he will get more.

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Not a lawyer as I presume you are, but how does a crime of "sudden passion" fit into this? Not sure of the necessary bar, but if self-defense is out, I could definitely see a defense of "they called me the n-word, stole my backpack, and pushed me which caused me to act in sudden passion". Is that a reasonable strategy even if unlikely? Is it better just to throw all of the eggs into trying to make a self-defense case?

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I am a former Texas felony prosecutor and now the managing partner of a 4 attorney criminal defense firm.

Sudden passion is a punishment mitigation strategy. It doesn't stop you from being convicted of Murder but can limit your punishment range to 20 years.

It is extremely rare to see it successfully utilized outside of the family context. I cannot imagine a scenario where that would apply from unarmed students grabbing someone to expel them from an area.

I do not see a legal defense to this in guilt/innocence if the crime is as described in the offense reports posted earlier in this thread.

I would try to work out a deal with prosecutor ASAP. Barring that, I would be planning on pleading guilty and putting on a punishment case for the jury. Hoping to get less than 30 years.

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Wouldn't you have to pick one defense or the other? I don't think those two things can exist at the same time. And is "crime of passion" actually a defense to prosecution? Or just another thing to impact sentence?

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I believe you are correct on both. Perhaps I poorly phrased it, but was asking about passion vs defense not some combination. And yes, I do believe sudden passion can only favorably impact the sentence a defendant receives.

Some idiot leaked the Anthony address online and they are getting threats. Police in constant contact. Police stating they didn't know each other prior and fake info must stop.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/collin-county/fatal-stabbing-of-frisco-student-athlete-austin-metcalf-sparks-community-tension/287-d3120a43-fafa-40e7-8fa6-a5fee3818b70

I really appreciate your input.

Thanks.

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Some idiot leaked the Anthony address online and they are getting threats. Police in constant contact. Police stating they didn't know each other prior and fake info must stop.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/collin-county/fatal-stabbing-of-frisco-student-athlete-austin-metcalf-sparks-community-tension/287-d3120a43-fafa-40e7-8fa6-a5fee3818b70

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does anyone really care? if metcalf would have stabbed anthony, his parents would likely be fired from their jobs and house burned to the ground.


dont raise a kid premeditates stabbing another kid at a track tournament he was not supposed to be at...and you wont have issues of threats to your house.

I'm not saying it's ok, but child murderer and those attempting to justify and make money off it receive threats…..color me shocked


I just want to know: was Karmelo supposed to be at meet (competing) or at his own school, and was he invited into the other schools tent area or did he invite himself.

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Some idiot leaked the Anthony address online and they are getting threats. Police in constant contact. Police stating they didn't know each other prior and fake info must stop.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/collin-county/fatal-stabbing-of-frisco-student-athlete-austin-metcalf-sparks-community-tension/287-d3120a43-fafa-40e7-8fa6-a5fee3818b70

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i hope no one does anything stupid at the family's house, but this appears that the police are investigating a fake sheriff account online and the founder of Next Generation Action Network (NGAN) is vaguely claiming some racist threats have occurred with no specifics or details whatsoever. Could be real or could be a defense strategy to drum up sympathy for the murderer. Wait and see on this one.

https://www.kbtx.com/2025/04/08/nearly-250000-raised-defense-17-year-old-accused-stabbing-teen-track-meet/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=organicclicks&tbref=hp

Can't believe people are giving money to this thug for his defense. He needs to rot in prison.

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I'm not saying it's ok, but child murderer and those attempting to justify and make money off it receive threats…..color me shocked


I just want to know: was Karmelo supposed to be at meet (competing) or at his own school, and was he invited into the other schools tent area or did he invite himself.

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My understanding is that he was not a competitor and was supposed to be in class at his own school. I've not heard anything reported about him being invited to the other school's tent area.

At most track meets, spectators stay in the home side stands and fence surrounding the track. Competitors set up their tents in the visitor's stands and surrounding area. Spectators usually don't go over there, just athletes and coaches.

Everything reported makes it appear that he did this deliberately because he was feeling stabby and needed an excuse.

He should never see the outside of a prison as long as he draws breath. He honestly deserves the death penalty, but that won't happen due to his age.

I've heard one and both were spectators which only leads to more intentional misinformation.

I looked for quite some time to find the heat sheets online and couldn't. I know how to find them for swimming, so maybe I'm just not clear on where they are archived.

Should be an easy fact check, so, I'm not sure if they've been pulled offline.

Try MileSplit.com

That was one place I ended up.

FISD's website... lots of dead ends, no pun intended.

If you have seen the mugshot it looked like he had been crying. It's funny people want to do thug **** but when caught they cry like a *****.

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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I don't like the argument that he shouldn't be there if he wasn't competing. Spectators are allowed at the meet. He could have been cheering on his classmates. I don't think the Metcalf boys run track but they had a right to be there to cheer on their friends.

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Wasn't he supposed to be in school?

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Possibly, unless the rumors of prior knife carrying on school grounds are true, maybe he was suspended?

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So if it turns out that he had stolen items in his backpack from other people at the track meet, would it then be Capital Murder?

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No because theft is not a felony sufficient to rise to capital murder under Sec. 19.03(a)(2) of the Texas Penal Code.

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If they took the Letitia James route and decided every step he took on school property with a contraband knife was a felony then it might elevate it because that may be like 2500 felony counts to stack! But I'm not a lawyer