GoFundMe for Karmelo Anthony

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Haleyscomet50 said:

Prosecution should have brought in some outside track coaches with years of experience to testify about the tents team designations and not common space. Led into kids stealing at track meets ect.

Why would they do that? It just creates the perspective that there are two points of view about something that is irrelevant.

Karmelo could have literally been sitting in a church pew reading a Bible when this situation went down; it's still murder. You can't stab someone for telling you to leave and shoving you.
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did get KAs coach to admit that if asked to leave another teams tent you are supposed to leave.
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AgBQ-00 said:

did get KAs coach to admit that if asked to leave another teams tent you are supposed to leave.


Why would they need outside coaches for that?

The coach testified to that;

Prosecutor: "It shouldn't happen that one of your athletes ends up in another team's tent?"
Witness: "Yes, sir."
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Prosecutor: "You would expect someone asked to leave a tent to comply?"
Witness: "Yes."

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I've read every word of this thread but after so many pages it gets hard to remember.

Just watched like 3 minutes of a random youtuber talking about the trial. He said AMs cosch said yhe video clearly showed Austin push KA, then KA punch back and then the rest of the memorial team jump in and start hitting KA.

Where do people come up with this stuff?
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spencerdhg said:

fullback44 said:

I guess things have changed, we usually left any valuables on the bus and someone watched the bus, maybe they locked the bus, can't remember. WE hung out in little groups on the field and everyone kind of kept to their own school groups, as someone else said if it was hot we would go under the stadium bleachers. They are going to have to make these kids go through metal detectors after this - terrible

We already have to go through metal detectors to go to middle school soccer games.

I realized some cultures were dangerous when opposing players pulled knifes during games in 1974. Same sport in other parts of the country 20 years later, adults this time, where refs were beaten.
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Im Gipper said:

People don't even bother to read a few pages of posts here!

Someone posts a summary from a person in the courtroom, a few posts later someone else asks a question that was answered if they bothered to read!


Welcome to another day on TexAgs!
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They're creating an alternate reality. They don't feel guilty about it at all. It's a cottage industry and they get huge chunks of money doing it- ask the SPLC.
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Had to stop reading Sara Fields. Too much drama on her end.
Ellis Wyatt
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Agreed. But she's been attacked mercilessly and is just done with the whole thing.
AgBQ-00
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exactly. somehow the *they is missing from my post. they did get him to admit that. and was my point. they didn't need the outside coach to do so
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Just according to the social media propaganda mob.

Ahhhhh... sounds like you mean reddit.
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Old_Ag_91 said:

Kenneth_2003 said:

Dear "rissalutions"

Some of us heed the words of MLK and judge people by the content of their character. You should try it.

So very well said. I can only hope that the people in the KA camp will have their heart pierced by truth. Justice yes but mercy and truth also. Maybe KA can find forgiveness from God somewhere in his repentance over the murder of Austin someday before he passes.

They wont


"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."
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Haleyscomet50 said:

20 years ago we weren't allowed to go to restrooms by ourselves at track meets. You would never sit in another teams section automatic fight. Coaches if they caught a glimpse of another color jersey in a section they would act quickly. Track kids have or at o e time did have alot of responsibility because it was usually a couple Coaches for numerous athletes and kids were expected to police themselves.


Seriously?

where?

I went to HS in NW Houston (Jersey Village) and never had issues at track meets nor saw any fights. This was in the late 80's.
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I grew up going to track meets in Aldine and North Houston. Never really had any issues, but I didn't go looking for trouble either. Kept with my team and didn't really engage with anyone else. We usually had like 40 or so guys there and maybe 2-3 coaches.

Edit to add that our school didn't have money for tents, nor did the schools we competed against. Did go to one track meet at the woodlands and many of those schools had tents.
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91AggieLawyer said:

CrawlingNo5 said:

Z3phyr said:

Even one of the defense's witnesses today when cross examined said he thought KA was in the wrong


Seems important for the defense to find that out before calling him as a witness. Yikes


They don't have a lot of options here. They're trying to lay groundwork that him being in the tent was not an issue. If they can, they'll try to make the case that he wasn't the aggressor (good luck). Then, finally, they'll try and argue that he had no choice but to respond in the way he did -- or, his choices were limited and how he responded was one option.

As long as they can stick to the events that happened at the track, they won't "open the door" to character issues that allow the prosecution to get into his past. However, I don't know what witnesses that are available that will testify to any of this. I think they may have fired their only bullet with the coach.

Shook (and possibly the other guy) is WAY too smart to think they're going to get an acquittal with what the prosecution has and I have zero doubt they've told Anthony and his parents that. Shook has won death penalty cases as a prosecutor with less evidence than the DA has in this case. At this point, I think the best they can hope for is a hung jury and perhaps a "better" plea deal.

I wouldn't be shocked if that happens.

For legal people on here, how does establishing precedence work?

When I attended the concealed carry class, they were very clear on the criteria and rules for self defense. One thing that sticks in my mind was the comment that you are legally entitled to stand your ground. But if you can walk away, it is a whole lot better to just walk away. From that limited knowledge obtained from that class and a few YouTube videos, I understand that if you pull out that gun you better have a very reasonable reason to do it and it pretty much has be a legitimate fear for your life. And you cannot have provoked the situation that caused you to fear for your life.

The question relative to precedence: If I am understanding this case correctly and this guy somehow gets off, could this case be used as precedence in future self defense claims as to what would legally constitute the right to kill someone and claim self defense? From my uneducated perspective, it appears that Anthony pretty much broke every rule to be able to successfully claim self defense.

Would an acquittal in this case create precedence that would change the legal criteria for a self defense claim? Or at least change how those criteria are effectively defined?
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Would an acquittal in this case create precedence that would change the legal criteria for a self defense claim? Or at least change how those criteria are effectively defined?

No. A jury verdict does not establish precedent. Appellate courts do.
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If I am understanding this case correctly and this guy somehow gets off, could this case be used as precedence in future self defense claims as to what would legally constitute the right to kill someone and claim self defense?


No, it would no create precedent. If he is found not guilty, that's a question of fact about the jury. It is not a legal ruling from the court.


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aggiehawg said:

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Would an acquittal in this case create precedence that would change the legal criteria for a self defense claim? Or at least change how those criteria are effectively defined?

No. A jury verdict does not establish precedent. Appellate courts do.

thank you!
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Wouldn't set any legal precedent, but if they find him not guilty, it would send a terrible message that any middle school or HS hallway shove can be met with a knife to the heart and you can get away with it even in Collin County. Kids arguing and shoving happens every day in every district. God help us of this jury is dumb enough to let that happen. I do not think they will
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Im Gipper said:

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If I am understanding this case correctly and this guy somehow gets off, could this case be used as precedence in future self defense claims as to what would legally constitute the right to kill someone and claim self defense?


No, it would no create precedent. If he is found not guilty, that's a question of fact about the jury. It is not a legal ruling from the court.



What is the reasoning in a judge having the ability deny television coverage of a trial? It would seem that a "public" trial would be readily available to the public. Why would it not be a requirement to at least livestream trails?

Thanks in advance for your excellent insights!
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Judges can conduct their courtrooms according to their discretion for the most part.

But there was a case involving Dr. Sam Shepard for the murder of his wife back in the late 50s. Was a media crap show with a ton of cameras in the courtroom. Because of the massive publicity, he got a new trial under the rationale his due process rights were violated.

So a court can establish its own rules for how and when cameras or audio feeds will be allowed to protect the due process rights of the accused.
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Had to stop reading Sara Fields. Too much drama on her end.

Try to give her some grace. She's just trying to do her job.

She's been in on this since the beginning, when she was exposing what a POS Dominique Alexander is. I would not be surprised if she's received death threats from his group, and now with the trial going on, and the threats literally in her face, I think it is starting to wear on her.

Some of us, if we're insulted online or receive a death threat, we just laugh because we know they're full of ***** I don't think she's built like that.
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Backyard Gator said:

MsDoubleD81 said:

Had to stop reading Sara Fields. Too much drama on her end.

Try to give her some grace. She's just trying to do her job.

She's been in on this since the beginning, when she was exposing what a POS Dominique Alexander is. I would not be surprised if she's received death threats from his group, and now with the trial going on, and the threats literally in her face, I think it is starting to wear on her.

Some of us, if we're insulted online or receive a death threat, we just laugh because we know they're full of ***** I don't think she's built like that.

There's not a zero chance the fatass, racist loudmouth or one of his fans wouldn't act on his very specific threat to murder people, one by one.

I'm still not sure how LEO can't get involved with that POS. What constitutes a terroristic threat anyway?
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I normally do support extra taxes, but in this case I am in favor of a %110 tax on go-fund-me donations.
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Marvin said:

Z3phyr said:

I think the defense lost on the jury selection. If the one person didnt say "I couldn't put a brother behind bars" and got on the jury it would be different. Props for honesty I guess


If they don't already exist, I could see community service groups teaching citizens how to avoid disqualifying themselves. The "get the vote out" organizers will transition to "protect our own" jury duty advocates.


Coming in late here but that already exists. Read an article about it a few weeks ago. They intentionally try to get on juries so they can say not guilty for their criminal comrades.
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I would not be surprised if she's received death threats from his group, and now with the trial going on, and the threats literally in her face,

She is. If you're white, then you're receiving them as well. It's just that most of us are just anonymous "crackers" who are getting non-specific threats while she's getting them with her name/face attached to it.
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If/when KA is found guilty, does the jury or the judge decide the sentence?
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aggiehawg said:

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Would an acquittal in this case create precedence that would change the legal criteria for a self defense claim? Or at least change how those criteria are effectively defined?

No. A jury verdict does not establish precedent. Appellate courts do.


Dam- did not know that - always time to learn new things
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fullback44 said:

aggiehawg said:

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Would an acquittal in this case create precedence that would change the legal criteria for a self defense claim? Or at least change how those criteria are effectively defined?

No. A jury verdict does not establish precedent. Appellate courts do.


Dam- did not know that - always time to learn new things

Well think about it for a moment. The jury is the trier of fact, not the law. The judge tells them the applicable law in the jury instructions. So a jury is not even asked to opine on the law.

But appellate courts are only asked to opine on the law. Thus their opinions become case law with precedential value.
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usmcbrooks said:

It is truly amazing how people like this dingbat can lie with a straight face and believe they are actually telling the truth.


It's not a lie if YOU believe it.

/costanza

These people are filth.
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TheRatt87 said:

If/when KA is found guilty, does the jury or the judge decide the sentence?


Dont both sides offer up their requested sentences and the judge decides to apply one? They take into account mitigating or aggravating factors at this point too i think. They can completely ignore both too and apply their own sentences, even those outside of the guidelines for sentences for the particular crime convicted of (see all the liberal judges ignoring guidelines and releasing murderers and rapists back onto the streets with slaps on the wrists).
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aggiehawg said:

Judges can conduct their courtrooms according to their discretion for the most part.

But there was a case involving Dr. Sam Shepard for the murder of his wife back in the late 50s. Was a media crap show with a ton of cameras in the courtroom. Because of the massive publicity, he got a new trial under the rationale his due process rights were violated.

So a court can establish its own rules for how and when cameras or audio feeds will be allowed to protect the due process rights of the accused.

Claimed some hippies killed his family.

dude was as guilty as they come.
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fullback44 said:

This is such a sad situation that this kid was having fun at a school athletics evident and this thug kid goes looking for trouble and stabs him. What a POS


Agreed. And even with a conviction and full sentence justice won't be served.

KA deserves to get the same treatment he dealt.
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FatZilla said:

TheRatt87 said:

If/when KA is found guilty, does the jury or the judge decide the sentence?


Dont both sides offer up their requested sentences and the judge decides to apply one? They take into account mitigating or aggravating factors at this point too i think. They can completely ignore both too and apply their own sentences, even those outside of the guidelines for sentences for the particular crime convicted of (see all the liberal judges ignoring guidelines and releasing murderers and rapists back onto the streets with slaps on the wrists).

The jury assesses punishment if the defendant elected for the jury to set punishment. And there are no sentencing guidelines in Texas there is just a range of punishment. So this defendant is looking at 5 to 99 years or life if found guilty.
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Im Gipper said:

AgBQ-00 said:

did get KAs coach to admit that if asked to leave another teams tent you are supposed to leave.


Why would they need outside coaches for that?

The coach testified to that;

Prosecutor: "It shouldn't happen that one of your athletes ends up in another team's tent?"
Witness: "Yes, sir."
...
Prosecutor: "You would expect someone asked to leave a tent to comply?"
Witness: "Yes."



I talked to a friend of mine who is a track coach in the Houston area. He said the first part is wrong (at least in his experience ). Kids go into other schools tents all the time, especially the boys who are chasing girls. He did say, though, that he has to ask kids to leave all the time because they become a distraction and the kids always leave when asked. He also said he has to leave kids behind in the tent because otherwise kids will steal stuff.

I'm not at all trying to defend the kid. It just struck me as strange they would be saying kids never go into other tents, because that wasn't my experience in high school (we didn't have tents, but we had areas). Kids were always mingling with other kids and going to other schools areas. It was always a friendly environment, though, and it makes no sense that someone would need to bring a knife along with them. It also doesn't make sense the kid would stay as it sounds like he had no girls he was chasing or friends he was hanging out with in the tent.
 
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