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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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The only way it's legal to have a knife on school property is if the competition that is occurring requires it. Have they recently replaced batons with switchblades by chance?

No I dont underestimate how dangerous a small folder is. I have literally worked with knives for 12 years. The difference between me w/ a folder or a 52 year old is a lot different than a 17 year old hood rat. This kid didnt have a small pocket knife that is used to cut yarn. I bet he had 4 or more inch serious knife on him.

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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No I dont underestimate how dangerous a small folder is. I have literally worked with knives for 12 years. The difference between me w/ a folder or a 52 year old is a lot different than a 17 year old hood rat. This kid didnt have a small pocket knife that is used to cut yarn. I bet he had 4 or more inch serious knife on him.

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Then you're the perfect person to clarify your comment for me; precisely what knife size is "big enough to kill someone"?

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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No I dont underestimate how dangerous a small folder is. I have literally worked with knives for 12 years. The difference between me w/ a folder or a 52 year old is a lot different than a 17 year old hood rat. This kid didnt have a small pocket knife that is used to cut yarn. I bet he had 4 or more inch serious knife on him.

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Then you're the perfect person to clarify your comment for me; precisely what knife size is "big enough to kill someone"?

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I already answered, anything above 3 can kill someone but wouldnt be easy or clean. It would be a disaster. I have a very hard time believing Karmello had nice Buck 3 inch folder from his outdoor hobbies and was able to quicky kill another 17 year old like a pro. He likely had a rambo knife and hacked him up.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude of non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

He was stabbed in the heart. Not much you can do to recover

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2025/04/07/texas-track-meet-stabbing-frisco-isd-karmelo-anthony-go-fund-me-austin-metcalf-false-information/82974747007/#

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Whatever his reason...it wasn't an intelligent decision and will likely pay a price for it.

I certainly do not know how often he carried a knife. I know that stabbing someone when you are being physically removed from a place you knew you never should have been is psychotic. It is not something a person who belongs in a civilized society would do.

I know that he was not just looking for a place to sit and put his things when he deliberately sat under another team's tent at a sports competition with that team's members present. There is no legitimate reason for him to have done that. He was looking for a fight (or to kill), and he has found himself a prison sentence.

pretty sure one can assume it is for the 'hoping to kill someone'

no reason to goaltend for it on texags...just realize the dude was a wrong turn away from being like Thomas Johnson in this scenario and give your T&Ps

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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None of the examples in your last paragraph are legitimate reasons to illegally carry a weapon, sorry. At no point will claiming that you forgot you had it in your bad be considered a legitimate reason for carrying it somewhere that is illegal to carry, much less then to turn around and use it (claiming that he forgot he had it but immediately grabbed for it is amazing logic, btw).

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I certainly do not know how often he carried a knife. I know that stabbing someone when you are being physically removed from a place you knew you never should have been is psychotic. It is not something a person who belongs in a civilized society would do.

I know that he was not just looking for a place to sit and put his things when he deliberately sat under another team's tent at a sports competition with that team's members present. There is no legitimate reason for him to have done that. He was looking for a fight (or to kill), and he has found himself a prison sentence.

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I've never argued against any of that. My issue is precisely what size knife is "big enough to kill".

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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None of the examples in your last paragraph are legitimate reasons to illegally carry a weapon, sorry. At no point will claiming that you forgot you had it in your bad be considered a legitimate reason for carrying it somewhere that is illegal to carry, much less then to turn around and use it (claiming that he forgot he had it but immediately grabbed for it is amazing logic, btw).

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Never claimed they were legitimate, just that illegal does not = illegitimate. I also never claimed that he forgot about his knife. Keep trying though, you're almost there.

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Whatever his reason...it wasn't an intelligent decision and will likely pay a price for it.

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Almost certainly correct. I just hope that should I ever need to defend myself with the Swiss Army knife I carry on a daily basis people might understand that I carry it as a tool and not as a weapon even if it is both. It has turned screws more than it has cut and has cut apples more than it has had blood on it. But yes, it could easily someone.

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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None of the examples in your last paragraph are legitimate reasons to illegally carry a weapon, sorry. At no point will claiming that you forgot you had it in your bad be considered a legitimate reason for carrying it somewhere that is illegal to carry, much less then to turn around and use it (claiming that he forgot he had it but immediately grabbed for it is amazing logic, btw).

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Never claimed they were legitimate, just that illegal does not = illegitimate. I also never claimed that he forgot about his knife. Keep trying though, you're almost there.

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I'm just going off your attempts. You're the one that said he may have put it in his bag as a defense to your claim that he had it for a legitimate reason. Was he planning on witling some wood between races?

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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If I felt the need to defend myself with a knife, I would not first brandish it. If I did not feel the need, I wouldn't use it. So the lack of a defensive display doesn't really matter in my opinion. The presence of one would help, but the lack doesn't move the needle for me.

I agree with everything else you said.

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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The only way it's legal to have a knife on school property is if the competition that is occurring requires it. Have they recently replaced batons with switchblades by chance?

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When did I claim it was legal?

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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None of the examples in your last paragraph are legitimate reasons to illegally carry a weapon, sorry. At no point will claiming that you forgot you had it in your bad be considered a legitimate reason for carrying it somewhere that is illegal to carry, much less then to turn around and use it (claiming that he forgot he had it but immediately grabbed for it is amazing logic, btw).

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Never claimed they were legitimate, just that illegal does not = illegitimate. I also never claimed that he forgot about his knife. Keep trying though, you're almost there.

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I'm just going off your attempts. You're the one that said he may have put it in his bag as a defense to your claim that he had it for a legitimate reason. Was he planning on witling some wood between races?

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I'll admit I was wrong here. I did at one point say he could have had the knife for legitimate reasons. I suppose one would need to define legitimate. I would say legitimate reasons would be to use the knife as a tool in the pursuit of non-illegal activities rather than a weapon. That does not make it legal but I would consider it legitimate. And I would not say that illegally having it on campus makes his intent for its use illegitimate.

If he brought it to slice the apple in his lunch that is legitimate in my opinion, even if not legal.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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I don't like the argument that he shouldn't be there if he wasn't competing. Spectators are allowed at the meet. He could have been cheering on his classmates. I don't think the Metcalf boys run track but they had a right to be there to cheer on their friends.

Now I do completely agree that Karmelo had no right or reason to be under the tent for another school. That right there was instigating behavior. The refusal to leave after it was pointed out that the tent was for their school and not his was escalating the situation. "Touch me and see what happens" is antagonizing speech. Austin should not have put his hands on Karmelo but that's small potatoes compared to everything that had already halen l happened. Stabbing Austin was so far beyond a proper reaction that I struggle with the mental gymnastics people are capable of to justify Karmelo. Absolutely murder; not self defense at all.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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If I felt the need to defend myself with a knife, I would not first brandish it. If I did not feel the need, I wouldn't use it. So the lack of a defensive display doesn't really matter in my opinion. The presence of one would help, but the lack doesn't move the needle for me.

I agree with everything else you said.

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That's the crux - this false narrative that he felt he needed "to defend himself". It's akin to walking through someone's open door and parking yourself on their couch - then they throw a fit and you "feel threatened" and kill them? It's simply not adding up.

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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I don't like the argument that he shouldn't be there if he wasn't competing. Spectators are allowed at the meet. He could have been cheering on his classmates. I don't think the Metcalf boys run track but they had a right to be there to cheer on their friends.

Now I do completely agree that Karmelo had no right or reason to be under the tent for another school. That right there was instigating behavior. The refusal to leave after it was pointed out that the tent was for their school and not his was escalating the situation. "Touch me and see what happens" is antagonizing speech. Austin should not have put his hands on Karmelo but that's small potatoes compared to everything that had already halen l happened. Stabbing Austin was so far beyond a proper reaction that I struggle with the mental gymnastics people are capable of to justify Karmelo. Absolutely murder; not self defense at all.

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I've been to multiple track events at that very stadium. The tents are sequestered off from the crowds for concerns of the athletes and their belongings. Coaches with races to win and events to coordinate don't allow outside people to just casually mingle around their athletes. Layer in concerns of theft and you have a recipe for escalation. Karmelo knew where he was, and what he was doing.

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BlueSmoke said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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If I felt the need to defend myself with a knife, I would not first brandish it. If I did not feel the need, I wouldn't use it. So the lack of a defensive display doesn't really matter in my opinion. The presence of one would help, but the lack doesn't move the needle for me.

I agree with everything else you said.

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That's the crux - this false narrative that he felt he needed "to defend himself". It's akin to walking through someone's open door and parking yourself on their couch - then they throw a fit and you "feel threatened" and kill them? It's simply not adding up.

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I once again agree with you that a reasonable person would not have felt the need to defend themselves based on what I have read about the encounter. I just also think that the failure to brandish the knife doesn't mean much to me.

He didn't kill a frail little boy. The victim was a well put together athlete. I doubt it was a 3" folder.

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pretty sure one can assume it is for the 'hoping to kill someone'

no reason to goaltend for it on texags...just realize the dude was a wrong turn away from being like Thomas Johnson in this scenario and give your T&Ps

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I'm definitely not willing to assume this was premeditated murder. That doesn't mean that I am ruling it out nor that II wouldn't avoid him given the opportunity. It is not goal tending to point out that no one here actually knows what occurred.

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He didn't kill a frail little boy. The victim was a well put together athlete. I doubt it was a 3" folder.

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With as fast as the kid is reported to have died, something pretty important was hit and while it is definitely easier to do that with a sword, a 3" folder is definitely capable. Not saying it was, just that "a knife big enough to kill someone" doesn't have to be that big.

I want all the self defense apologists to explain to me why the situation escalated so quickly. They have argued Karmelo could sit wherever he wanted, but we all know it's uncommon for people to be under the tent of an opposing school. Had he been there with friends, odds are good no one would have said anything to him. If he was with someone who left to go do an event, why would Karmelo not just say, "hey man, I'm here with Joe but he's doing long jump right now."? And why, when told he is in the wrong spot, was Karmelo's first response to threaten? And people can argue but the fact is, "touch me and see what happens" is 100% a threat.

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He didn't kill a frail little boy. The victim was a well put together athlete. I doubt it was a 3" folder.

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I don't think it matters whether evil whitey was a frail little boy or well put together athlete, nor does it matter if the blade was 3" or 4". It is enough for any hero like Karamelo to slash a human heart muscle and murder someone.

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BlueSmoke said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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BlueSmoke said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Fenrir said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I'm not saying Anthony was a boy scout and had the knife for legitimate reasons but he could have.

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He did NOT have a knife on school property for legitimate reasons.

He absolutely didn't go sit under another team's tent for legitimate reasons.

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I'm guessing you're correct and I'd even bet a small sum on it, but I'd challenge you to prove it.

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I am not in court. I have to prove nothing.

He cannot legally carry a knife on campus. Period.

Sitting under another team's tent uninvited is an act of provocation. Period.

Read the police report.

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If you have nothing to prove, then have this discussion with yourself. Otherwise, expect people to reply to and even challenge your posts on a message board.

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Since you're a hardliner for responding when challenged, can you expand on the legal, legitimate reason to have a knife at a track meet?

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Legal and legitimate are not necessarily the same. Nor are illegal and premeditated murder or assault. But then you knew that already.

Anthony may have carried a knife on a daily basis for its utility as a tool and not as a weapon. He might have put it in his bag so he could go run his event (or any other multitude on non-nefarious scenarios). Or it could have had it because he was hoping to kill someone on that day. Few people know and none of them are on this board.

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Word is he's already been reprimanded for carrying a knife at school - that's a big no-no in FISD. So he's been warned prior. He also neither brandished the knife or made any attempts to use it to gain separation from his "attacker" as is usually the case. You pull the knife, hold it out in front of you, and dare anyone to make a move. In fact the opposite happened, he had his hand on the knife hidden in the bag and stabbed when Metcalf closed the distance to either put his hands on him or the bag and stabbed when he was in close. This is after inciting the incident by not leaving the team tent when he was told to leave and escalating things with a "see what happens" line if someone dared touch him.

There were concerns of theft at the meets, which is why the victim was there camped out at the tent and why another kid around their belongings set off warning bells that led to the above. Nor was he even supposed to be at the meet. He wasn't competing.

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If I felt the need to defend myself with a knife, I would not first brandish it. If I did not feel the need, I wouldn't use it. So the lack of a defensive display doesn't really matter in my opinion. The presence of one would help, but the lack doesn't move the needle for me.

I agree with everything else you said.

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That's the crux - this false narrative that he felt he needed "to defend himself". It's akin to walking through someone's open door and parking yourself on their couch - then they throw a fit and you "feel threatened" and kill them? It's simply not adding up.

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I once again agree with you that a reasonable person would not have felt the need to defend themselves based on what I have read about the encounter. I just also think that the failure to brandish the knife doesn't mean much to me.

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To me I read it as premeditated. He wasn't surprised in a dark alley. He instigated the entire thing.

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Wow, and people are actually sending money

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$14,625 raised so far.

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I hope the victim's family get all of the GFM money and a bonus $20 million from Frisco ISD for not eliminating the problem earlier.

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AGpops1923 said:

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He didn't kill a frail little boy. The victim was a well put together athlete. I doubt it was a 3" folder.

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I don't think it matters whether evil whitey was a frail little boy or well put together athlete, nor does it matter if the blade was 3" or 4". It is enough for any hero like Karamelo to slash a human heart muscle and murder someone.

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Impressive statement

Yep. He immediately went to "touch me and see what happens". Tells you all you need to know what he was there for

Dude killed someone. Unless it was self defense or an accident, of which there is zero evidence, it was murder.

All the other talk is interesting, but has no bearing on his guilt. That is the main point and the side talk is just distraction and obfuscation.