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Pool remains a loser tool bag:

Tim Pool has completely lost the plot. He’s passionately defending the unjust slaying of 17-year-old Austin Metcalf. Calls it “self defense,” and acts as if Karmelo Anthony was justified in taking his life. Unfollowed. pic.twitter.com/cgz2PanRsP

— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) April 10, 2025

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hes already walking that back lol

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That still goes against normal human thought, though. There is something wrong with a person who makes the decision to kill with no specific target or reason. Those are your psychopaths. There was a rumor going around that his friend said Karmelo had said in the days or weeks before that he wanted to stab someone. I haven't seen a source that confirms that happened, but if that's the case, we are looking at a severe personality disorder at best. Clearly he suffers from impulse control. I just wonder if something had happened in the hours or days leading up to the murder that made Karmelo more on edge or whatever. Not that it excuses the behavior at all. I'm just interested in what makes people tick and something set this guy off that would not have set off the average person.

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It's really not that difficult to understand. He wanted to 'Thug Life'.

Did you see the pictures he put out online? He wanted to live the Thug Life.

The good thing for him is that he's gonna get all the tattoos he could ever want… in prison. Which is a part of Thug Life…

Edit: Prison, murder, bad decisions, that's all Thug Life. So he's getting everything he's ever wanted.

The kid is literally living out his dream life…

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My argument was mostly due to others (mostly on social media) that Karmelo's use of deadly force on Austin was due to him getting beat up and stomped on. It does not appear that was the case and witness statements say Austin pushed him (at most - others say he just touched Karmelo's backpack) and Karmelo pulled out his knife and stabbed Austin through the heart. I have no idea how the attorney is going to try to get a self defense argument to hold water when there doesn't seem there was any real threat to Karmelo's safety.

I suppose they might argue that he felt unsafe because Austin was so much bigger, but I doubt that works or you set the precedence that shorter people can kill bigger people after words are exchanged. They might argue he felt unsafe because he was outnumbered, but then they have to answer why he was in the tent of another team and how that wasn't antagonizing behavior. If prosecution is able to show Karmelo was the antagonizer, self defense goes out the window.

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Yep

I've seen many people use whataboutism and comparing this to Zimmerman. If the twins or Austin was on top of KA bashing his head into the ground like in that case it's 100% self defense. That doesn't seem to be the case. If it was there are multiple videos out there that would show this. There's a reason he's charged with murder 1, the videos show KA wasn't being attacked.

My guess is Austin simply grabbed him and KA stabbed him. No way self defense applies there.

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But my question is why? That is not a normal response. Was he embarrassed he was sitting in the wrong section and trying to save face? Was he upset about something else that happened and in a heightened emotional state? Was he trying to impress a girl and went about it in a very stupid way? Part of some weird initiation where he was challenged with killing someone but claiming self defense?

This was such an overreaction that you can almost understand why some people are tying to insist Austin was the aggressor. It makes no sense why a 17-year-old, who didn't appear to have had previous issues with the law or school (nothing official has come out and it likely would have by now) would grab a knife and stab someone just because he put his hands on him.

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My guess is he felt "disrespected."

Seems like a defensive move would be more slashing to get away, a stab in the heart seems a more offensive move. Never been in a knife fight so don't know.

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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My argument was mostly due to others (mostly on social media) that Karmelo's use of deadly force on Austin was due to him getting beat up and stomped on. It does not appear that was the case and witness statements say Austin pushed him (at most - others say he just touched Karmelo's backpack) and Karmelo pulled out his knife and stabbed Austin through the heart. I have no idea how the attorney is going to try to get a self defense argument to hold water when there doesn't seem there was any real threat to Karmelo's safety.

I suppose they might argue that he felt unsafe because Austin was so much bigger, but I doubt that works or you set the precedence that shorter people can kill bigger people after words are exchanged. They might argue he felt unsafe because he was outnumbered, but then they have to answer why he was in the tent of another team and how that wasn't antagonizing behavior. If prosecution is able to show Karmelo was the antagonizer, self defense goes out the window.

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Yep

I've seen many people use whataboutism and comparing this to Zimmerman. If the twins or Austin was on top of KA bashing his head into the ground like in that case it's 100% self defense. That doesn't seem to be the case. If it was there are multiple videos out there that would show this. There's a reason he's charged with murder 1, the videos show KA wasn't being attacked.

My guess is Austin simply grabbed him and KA stabbed him. No way self defense applies there.

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But my question is why? That is not a normal response. Was he embarrassed he was sitting in the wrong section and trying to save face? Was he upset about something else that happened and in a heightened emotional state? Was he trying to impress a girl and went about it in a very stupid way? Part of some weird initiation where he was challenged with killing someone but claiming self defense?

This was such an overreaction that you can almost understand why some people are tying to insist Austin was the aggressor. It makes no sense why a 17-year-old, who didn't appear to have had previous issues with the law or school (nothing official has come out and it likely would have by now) would grab a knife and stab someone just because he put his hands on him.

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My guess is he felt "disrespected."

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edited to add, Badmoonrising called it in the next post. I just replied and he said the same thing.

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tylercsbn9 said:

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My argument was mostly due to others (mostly on social media) that Karmelo's use of deadly force on Austin was due to him getting beat up and stomped on. It does not appear that was the case and witness statements say Austin pushed him (at most - others say he just touched Karmelo's backpack) and Karmelo pulled out his knife and stabbed Austin through the heart. I have no idea how the attorney is going to try to get a self defense argument to hold water when there doesn't seem there was any real threat to Karmelo's safety.

I suppose they might argue that he felt unsafe because Austin was so much bigger, but I doubt that works or you set the precedence that shorter people can kill bigger people after words are exchanged. They might argue he felt unsafe because he was outnumbered, but then they have to answer why he was in the tent of another team and how that wasn't antagonizing behavior. If prosecution is able to show Karmelo was the antagonizer, self defense goes out the window.

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Yep

I've seen many people use whataboutism and comparing this to Zimmerman. If the twins or Austin was on top of KA bashing his head into the ground like in that case it's 100% self defense. That doesn't seem to be the case. If it was there are multiple videos out there that would show this. There's a reason he's charged with murder 1, the videos show KA wasn't being attacked.

My guess is Austin simply grabbed him and KA stabbed him. No way self defense applies there.

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But my question is why? That is not a normal response. Was he embarrassed he was sitting in the wrong section and trying to save face? Was he upset about something else that happened and in a heightened emotional state? Was he trying to impress a girl and went about it in a very stupid way? Part of some weird initiation where he was challenged with killing someone but claiming self defense?

This was such an overreaction that you can almost understand why some people are tying to insist Austin was the aggressor. It makes no sense why a 17-year-old, who didn't appear to have had previous issues with the law or school (nothing official has come out and it likely would have by now) would grab a knife and stab someone just because he put his hands on him.

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Since you seemed shocked I'm guessing you don't have much experience with 'The Culture''.

Here is the problem with the he grabbed me excuse. Did he already have the knife pulled? If not the victim let him go and unless this tent only had one exit he could have backed away. If he already had the knife out that means he was going to use it no matter what.

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Here is the problem with the he grabbed me excuse. Did he already have the knife pulled? If not the victim let him go and unless this tent only had one exit he could have backed away. If he already had the knife out that means he was going to use it no matter what.

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Any attempted discussion on whether this was self defense is a non-starter. It was not. The victim never presented a deadly threat nor serious bodily injury threat. Thus no proportionality. No duty to retreat in Texas either, FTR.

At a minimum, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter. Although additional facts might come to light to bump that up to premeditated first degree murder.

I'm surprised he stabbed Austin so suddenly for one push after being told to move since we haven't had an confirmation Karmelo has had any trouble with the law before now. Aside from one rumor that he was suspended for carrying a knife, which I haven't seen confirmed by any legitimate news source, nothing has come up. That is a big jump for someone who hasn't been in trouble before. Usually, it would come out that he had previously been suspended for fighting, he was getting into trouble at school, something. Aside from those two pictures on his social media, he doesn't fit the "thug life" stereotype. He comes from a home with both a mother and a father who talk about God and seem supportive of their sons and daughter. It appears he lived in a nice home and his father volunteered with troubled youth when he wasn't at work. There is a news article from 3 years ago where he saved a kid from drowning in Louisiana. The stereotype doesn't fit here.

Didn't he post pictures looking like a thug

We've seen the picture of him with a gun and another with him shooting the bird and holding a lighter, yes.

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I'm surprised he stabbed Austin so suddenly for one push after being told to move since we haven't had an confirmation Karmelo has had any trouble with the law before now. Aside from one rumor that he was suspended for carrying a knife, which I haven't seen confirmed by any legitimate news source, nothing has come up. That is a big jump for someone who hasn't been in trouble before. Usually, it would come out that he had previously been suspended for fighting, he was getting into trouble at school, something. Aside from those two pictures on his social media, he doesn't fit the "thug life" stereotype. He comes from a home with both a mother and a father who talk about God and seem supportive of their sons and daughter. It appears he lived in a nice home and his father volunteered with troubled youth when he wasn't at work. There is a news article from 3 years ago where he saved a kid from drowning in Louisiana. The stereotype doesn't fit here.

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Well that answers my question, you are not.

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I'm surprised he stabbed Austin so suddenly for one push after being told to move since we haven't had an confirmation Karmelo has had any trouble with the law before now. Aside from one rumor that he was suspended for carrying a knife, which I haven't seen confirmed by any legitimate news source, nothing has come up. That is a big jump for someone who hasn't been in trouble before. Usually, it would come out that he had previously been suspended for fighting, he was getting into trouble at school, something. Aside from those two pictures on his social media, he doesn't fit the "thug life" stereotype. He comes from a home with both a mother and a father who talk about God and seem supportive of their sons and daughter. It appears he lived in a nice home and his father volunteered with troubled youth when he wasn't at work. There is a news article from 3 years ago where he saved a kid from drowning in Louisiana. The stereotype doesn't fit here.

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Well that answers my question, you are not.

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I'm familiar enough with the culture. I am also aware, though, that his upbringing, at least on paper, is different from the stereotypical one. For example, 75% of black children are raised without a father in the home. This was not the case for him, his two brothers, and sister. There does not appear to be a history of run-ins with the law. Understand that from everything I have heard and read, he acted 100% in the wrong. He was the instigator and escalated the situation more than Austin. He deserves to stand trial for murder and should spend the next 50 years (minimum) in jail. However, what I'm interested in is why this guy, who by all accounts seems to be one who should have bucked the culture and actually made something of himself, escalated things to the level he did where he has completely thrown his life away. What circumstances (though completely irrelevant to charges and punishment) led to this. I guess I just wish I could do a case study on him to find out why he murdered someone needlessly but managed to keep his nose clean up to that point.

There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.

You registered to post that drivel?

No one posted that because we aren't psychopaths ready to stab someone if they touch us. The killer also went from 0 to 100. The victim had no chance to deescalate. It didn't escalate until he was dead

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There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.

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One party had no intentions of deescalating if his first response is to pull a knife under a high school track meet tent. One was in a high school dick measuring contest and the other was prepared to kill at a high school track meet. Quit victim blaming, it's disgusting that's what you take from this.

One of the most disgusting first posts I've ever seen on this board. And that's quite a bar.

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You registered to post that drivel?

No one posted that because we aren't psychopaths ready to stab someone if they touch us. The killer also went from 0 to 100. The victim had no chance to deescalate. It didn't escalate until he was dead

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Long time lurker, first time poster! As I mentioned, there are lessons to be learned on both sides. Do you honestly think the deceased would handled the situation the exact same way if he had a chance at a do-over?

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There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.

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One party had no intentions of deescalating if his first response is to pull a knife under a high school track meet tent. One was in a high school dick measuring contest and the other was prepared to kill at a high school track meet. Quit victim blaming, it's disgusting that's what you take from this.

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I'm not "victim blaming", I'm simply lamenting the fact that this tragedy occurred in the first place.

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You registered to post that drivel?

No one posted that because we aren't psychopaths ready to stab someone if they touch us. The killer also went from 0 to 100. The victim had no chance to deescalate. It didn't escalate until he was dead

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Long time lurker, first time poster! As I mentioned, there are lessons to be learned on both sides. Do you honestly think the deceased would handled the situation the exact same way if he had a chance at a do-over?

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Yeah, I'm sure a 17 year old had the situational awareness to know he was dealing with a murderous psychopath under his high school track tent. Stupid kid right!? Everyone else under that tent that witnessed it, I'm sure have a different perspective on people today though.

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There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.

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One party had no intentions of deescalating if his first response is to pull a knife under a high school track meet tent. One was in a high school dick measuring contest and the other was prepared to kill at a high school track meet. Quit victim blaming, it's disgusting that's what you take from this.

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I'm not "victim blaming", I'm simply lamenting the fact that this tragedy occurred in the first place.

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100% are

If he knew he was dealing with a psychopath killer that should spend the rest of his life in prison, yes, he'd act differently. Or cross to the other side of the street.

But minor encounters between teenage boys happen at school all the time. All. The. Time. It's partly how these kids learn socialization and how to grow up. Only a nutjob pulls a knife. It is not the victim's fault. Now go back to lurking because you have nothing to offer

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There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.

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One party had no intentions of deescalating if his first response is to pull a knife under a high school track meet tent. One was in a high school dick measuring contest and the other was prepared to kill at a high school track meet. Quit victim blaming, it's disgusting that's what you take from this.

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I'm not "victim blaming", I'm simply lamenting the fact that this tragedy occurred in the first place.

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You absolutely are victim blaming and it's shameful

Again. Not even close to self defense. Anyone defending this murderer is idiotic and know nothing about the law of self defense. Much less that asserting self defense, it is an admission that the defendant murdered a person but it was a justifiable homicide. So if he does that, he has already confessed to murder.

Burden shifts to the defendant to prove self defense, BTW. It is an affirmative defense. That shifts the burden of proof.

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If he knew he was dealing with a psychopath killer that should spend the rest of his life in prison, yes, he'd act differently. Or cross to the other side of the street.

But those kinds of what should be minor testosterone encounters happen at school all the time. All. The. Time. It's partly how these kids learn socialization and how to grow up. It is not the victim's fault. Now go back to lurking because you have nothing to offer

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Okay fine, you may ignore any advice to keep your hands to yourself. You may refrain from teaching your children the same as well. Take your chances on whether one day you encounter a "psychopathic killer" who doesn't agree that the encounter is minor.

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Again. Not even close to self defense. Anyone defending this murderer is idiotic and know nothing about the law of self defense. Much less that asserting self defense, it is an admission that the defendant murdered a person but it was a justifiable homicide. So if he does that, he has already confessed to murder.

Burden shifts to the defendant to prove self defense, BTW. It is an affirmative defense. That shifts the burden of proof.

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I'm definitely not defending the stabber or stating his self-defense claim is reasonable. I don't think it will fly, based on what I've seen in the police report. And personally, I do hope he is held accountable for his actions.

Already raised my kids. One is an Aggie grad. The other is an Aggie grad to be. You are not one to be giving anyone parenting advice.

The over/under on "move", "make me", followed by a shove in school has to number in the thousands per day across America. But here we go, some are ready to victim blame if one of them turns out to be a victim of a psycho

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If he knew he was dealing with a psychopath killer that should spend the rest of his life in prison, yes, he'd act differently. Or cross to the other side of the street.

But those kinds of what should be minor testosterone encounters happen at school all the time. All. The. Time. It's partly how these kids learn socialization and how to grow up. It is not the victim's fault. Now go back to lurking because you have nothing to offer

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Okay fine, you may ignore any advice to keep your hands to yourself. You may refrain from teaching your children the same as well. Take your chances on whether one day you encounter a "psychopathic killer" who doesn't agree that the encounter is minor.

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Keep digging that hole ol boy. This was a high school track meet, under a team tent. Not one person there thought a murder would take place. The lessoned you learned from this and want people to know is for high school kids to keep their hands to themselves or get stabbed in the heart because its Texas and our laws?

While we are on the lesson of how to raise kids, teaching them how to treat others is important. But it's also important to teach your kid not to be a doormat. Again, this scenario happens in school all the time. They learn from them. Until the one in millions psycho, and that guy is going to kill some innocent person at some point. This guy was looking to kill someone, no question. Instigate and then take it from 0 to 100 in nothing flat. If it wasn't this victim, it was going to be some other kid in some nothing encounter

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Again. Not even close to self defense. Anyone defending this murderer is idiotic and know nothing about the law of self defense. Much less that asserting self defense, it is an admission that the defendant murdered a person but it was a justifiable homicide. So if he does that, he has already confessed to murder.

Burden shifts to the defendant to prove self defense, BTW. It is an affirmative defense. That shifts the burden of proof.

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I'm definitely not defending the stabber or stating his self-defense claim is reasonable. I don't think it will fly, based on what I've seen in the police report. And personally, I do hope he is held accountable for his actions.

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But read what I said again.

Asserting self defense, is an ADMISSION of guilt. "Yeah I killed him, BUT..."

For this guy, in Texas of all places, is very problematical. Analyze this for a moment. The presumption of innocence is gone. Zip, nada. No presumption of innocence at all. Burden on the state is nil.

Burden on the defense is now beyond a reasonable doubt to prove self defense.

Completely different legal animal in criminal law in most states.

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Again. Not even close to self defense. Anyone defending this murderer is idiotic and know nothing about the law of self defense. Much less that asserting self defense, it is an admission that the defendant murdered a person but it was a justifiable homicide. So if he does that, he has already confessed to murder.

Burden shifts to the defendant to prove self defense, BTW. It is an affirmative defense. That shifts the burden of proof.

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I'm definitely not defending the stabber or stating his self-defense claim is reasonable. I don't think it will fly, based on what I've seen in the police report. And personally, I do hope he is held accountable for his actions.

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But read what I said again.

Asserting self defense, is an ADMISSION of guilt. "Yeah I killed him, BUT..."

For this guy, in Texas of all places, is very problematical. Analyze this for a moment. The presumption of innocence is gone. Zip, nada. No presumption of innocence at all. Burden on the state is nil.

Burden on the defense is now beyond a reasonable doubt to prove self defense.

Completely different legal animal in criminal law in most states.

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All he is trying to say is a high school kid would be alive today if he would have just let a rival school kid chill in their team tent and if he had just kept his hands to himself. These two kids would be reaching their dreams today, if that 17 year old would have known pushing another kid out of their tent would get him killed. I'm sure both of them learned a lot.

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All he is trying to say is a high school kid would be alive today if he would have just let a rival school kid chill in their team tent and if he had just kept his hands to himself. These two kids would be reaching their dreams today, if that 17 year old would have known pushing another kid out of their tent would get him killed. I'm sure both of them learned a lot.

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Apologies as I really don't mean to offend but who really GAF? The law certainly does not.

This kid won't be executed because he is too young. But he's going to serve some serious time until he's in his 40s, is my guess.

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Again. Not even close to self defense. Anyone defending this murderer is idiotic and know nothing about the law of self defense. Much less that asserting self defense, it is an admission that the defendant murdered a person but it was a justifiable homicide. So if he does that, he has already confessed to murder.

Burden shifts to the defendant to prove self defense, BTW. It is an affirmative defense. That shifts the burden of proof.

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I'm definitely not defending the stabber or stating his self-defense claim is reasonable. I don't think it will fly, based on what I've seen in the police report. And personally, I do hope he is held accountable for his actions.

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But read what I said again.

Asserting self defense, is an ADMISSION of guilt. "Yeah I killed him, BUT..."

For this guy, in Texas of all places, is very problematical. Analyze this for a moment. The presumption of innocence is gone. Zip, nada. No presumption of innocence at all. Burden on the state is nil.

Burden on the defense is now beyond a reasonable doubt to prove self defense.

Completely different legal animal in criminal law in most states.

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All he is trying to say is a high school kid would be alive today if he would have just let a rival school kid chill in their team tent and if he had just kept his hands to himself. These two kids would be reaching their dreams today, if that 17 year old would have known pushing another kid out of their tent would get him killed. I'm sure both of them learned a lot.

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Hey man, that girl wouldn't have been raped if she had worn looser clothes and gone home before midnight. I'm sure she learned a lot.

Look, bud. All I'm saying is that guy wouldn't have been robbed if he hadn't been out running early in the morning in the dark. I'm sure he learned a lot.

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All he is trying to say is a high school kid would be alive today if he would have just let a rival school kid chill in their team tent and if he had just kept his hands to himself. These two kids would be reaching their dreams today, if that 17 year old would have known pushing another kid out of their tent would get him killed. I'm sure both of them learned a lot.

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Apologies as I really don't mean to offend but who really GAF? The law certainly does not.

This kid won't be executed because he is too young. But he's going to serve some serious time until he's in his 40s, is my guess.

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No, I was agreeing with you Hawg, no need for apologies. Just an outrageous event, and the defense of the admitted murderer is really disappointing.