Karmelo Anthony murder trial

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Geminiv
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agent-maroon said:

ntxVol said:

They are going to intimidate this jury, our justice system is broken.

Well... it IS broken, is it not?


Its broken when it doesn't punish the people you think are deserving. But working when it sets criminals free that you agree with or look like. As the case may be here..
Mort Rainey
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Geminiv said:

agent-maroon said:

ntxVol said:

They are going to intimidate this jury, our justice system is broken.

Well... it IS broken, is it not?


It's broken when it doesn't punish the people you think are deserving. But working when it sets criminals free that you agree with or look like. As the case may be here..





agent-maroon
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Geminiv said:

agent-maroon said:

ntxVol said:

They are going to intimidate this jury, our justice system is broken.

Well... it IS broken, is it not?


Its broken when it doesn't punish the people you think are deserving. But working when it sets criminals free that you agree with or look like. As the case may be here..

So what are you trying to imply here? Please be specific.
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BMX Bandit said:

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as for a civil case against the parents, extreme long shot. unless they gave him the knife knowing he had a proclivity for stabbing people, that case likely fails.


There is plenty of precedent for holding parents civilly liable for stuff their minor children have done.

yes, and those cases require the criminal action to be foreseeable. knowing he carried a knife isn't going to be sufficient under the law.

the rule in texas is going to be that a parent's liability "depends on whether the injury to the third party is reasonably foreseeable under the circumstances as evidenced by the parent's knowledge, consent, sanction, or participation in the child's activities."



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The media would like to portray Karmelo Anthony as if he's just a good boy that "dindu nuffin" wrong.

The reality?

The Frisco Independent School district went through great lengths to cover up his disciplinary record which included being suspended for previously bringing a knife to school.

Shortly after Austin Metcalf was murdered the local news was doing its job covering the case.

But then something happened…

The local news aired this clip from one of Karmelo's classmates revealing that Karmelo was known for fighting at school.

After this news segment aired the local news almost completely dropped the story.

Why?

Because their good boy narrative was crumbling.

Luckily I saved the clip because I knew they would try to memory hole it.

If accurate, I think this would cover the knowledge portion to include the parents in civil liability.
OldArmy71
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I'm not sure my blood pressure will allow me to follow this trial very closely.

aggiehawg
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OldArmy71 said:

I'm not sure my blood pressure will allow me to follow this trial very closely.



Don't expect a full guilty on a murder charge, for your blood pressure's sake. My gut is that there is a compromise verdict on a lesser charge. Something like reckless endangerment, perhaps?

Anthony's past misconduct may or may not be admitted into evidence under the rules. Up to the judge.
one safe place
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I wish he would be sentenced to death and my preference, were I making the rules, would be something not as clinical as a lethal injection. Slow and painful comes to mind.

He likely will get off with hardly any punishment. Some groups of people are held to very low standards and he is in one of those groups.
samurai_science
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one safe place said:

I wish he would be sentenced to death and my preference, were I making the rules, would be something not as clinical as a lethal injection. Slow and painful comes to mind.

He likely will get off with hardly any punishment. Some groups of people are held to very low standards and he is in one of those groups.


And his whole family
The Ex Officio Director
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There is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth: causality. Action. Reaction. Cause and effect.
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Geminiv said:

agent-maroon said:

ntxVol said:

They are going to intimidate this jury, our justice system is broken.

Well... it IS broken, is it not?


Its broken when it doesn't punish the people you think are deserving. But working when it sets criminals free that you agree with or look like. As the case may be here..


You can't be for real.
normalhorn
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I agree. I think Texas has a reckless manslaughter charge that could be added on to charges, especially since the chances of a fair murder trial not biased by even just one minority juror is between slim and none.
The only way this kid isn't found guilty of at LEAST manslaughter is him producing evidence it was his twin brother that stabbed the victim in the heart…
aggiehawg
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normalhorn said:

I agree. I think Texas has a reckless manslaughter charge that could be added on to charges, especially since the chances of a fair murder trial not biased by even just one minority juror is between slim and none.
The only way this kid isn't found guilty of at LEAST manslaughter is him producing evidence it was his twin brother that stabbed the victim in the heart…

Once trial has started, they cannot add on additional charges but I'm willing to bet the indictment already includes lesser includeds. I don't exactly recall and there has been such a news gag order, hard to follow.
sam callahan
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I am all for a vigorous defense, but everything in this case seems pretty clear and simple based on the reports. He should have been convicted and sentenced within 30 days of the murder.
normalhorn
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I know that charges can't be added after trial had started. But, can they be added while jury is being selected? Does it have to be done before they're empaneled, or right up to opening statements, so to speak?
aggiehawg
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normalhorn said:

I know that charges can't be added after trial had started. But, can they be added while jury is being selected? Does it have to be done before they're empaneled, or right up to opening statements, so to speak?

Before jury selection begins without prior approval of the court. Double jeopardy does not attach until the full jury is empaneled, BTW.
OldArmy71
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I hope you're going to have time to interpret what's going on for us on this one.
aggiehawg
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OldArmy71 said:

I hope you're going to have time to interpret what's going on for us on this one.

I'll try but the news blackout makes that very hard without live feeds to follow.
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Hardcore Greg
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oh no said:



This x1,000. Also, imagine the reverse...even though the reverse virtually never happens and black on white violence vastly outnumbers white on black. But imagine whites raising money for a white kid for murdering an unarmed black kid in cold blood.

This is why a certain demographic group has the reputation they do throughout the world. Not just this country, but the WORLD.

No other group behaves this way. No other group idolizes and adores the violent, pregnant-woman-robbing, dope peddling cretins within their racial group. They despise them...they are embarrassed by them...and when they FAFO and die, they say "good riddance".
fc2112
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Twitter suggests there is a video of the incident. I'm sure we'll never be allowed to see it, but it hopefully will make it clear this wasn't self defense.
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Hardcore Greg said:

oh no said:



This x1,000. Also, imagine the reverse...even though the reverse virtually never happens and black on white violence vastly outnumbers white on black. But imagine whites raising money for a white kid for murdering an unarmed black kid in cold blood.

This is why a certain demographic group has the reputation they do throughout the world. Not just this country, but the WORLD.

No other group behaves this way. No other group idolizes and adores the violent, pregnant-woman-robbing, dope peddling cretins within their racial group. They despise them...they are embarrassed by them...and when they FAFO and die, they say "good riddance".

You mean a portion of a demographic who for years wanted equality, and now that they have it, do unfair intimidating of our courts? Two wrongs make a right for them?
OldArmy71
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I responded to the wrong poster. Sorry.




The video of WFAA's coverage provided on the page previous to this one has an interview with a reporter who was allowed to watch the video.

It was from far away, grainy, and really doesn't show anything. He says you can't see the stabbing at all.
fc2112
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Yeah, there is the video from the surveillance camera at the field - it's apparently not very good.

Supposedly, some kids recorded it too and that video was much closer.
normalhorn
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I've also heard from a contact in the Collin Co DA office e that there was at least 1 video captured from a student's cell phone and promptly secured as evidence.
WFAA is a highly esteemed news station. But, they're also severely overrun by DEI, so I'd take their notes on the case with a grain of salt, as they've been covering this case from last April under the guise of a clear cut self defense case
aggiehawg
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About 50 people were excused from the jury pool during questioning by the judge. On Tuesday, the judge and lawyers will review questionnaires, WFAA reported. Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday, texts or emails will be sent to those selected, instructing them to return for the second round of jury selection at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday. The judge said he hopes the panel will be narrowed to about 250 people by then, and that a jury will be picked Wednesday, WFAA reported. Court proceedings are scheduled for 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. each weekday, and also on Saturdays. The trial is set to potentially last through June 12.



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4stringAg
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The Ex Officio Director said:

StandUpforAmerica said:



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Based on my observations throughout the morning, the crowd appeared to be overwhelmingly around 95 percent Karmelo supporters.

So basically out of work or never worked a day in their life welfare tit sucking losers

Go it.

Another way of saying it, 95% of the crowd is perfectly OK with a black violently overreacting and stabbing a white to death for little to no reason.
PlaneCrashGuy
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aggiehawg said:

OldArmy71 said:

I hope you're going to have time to interpret what's going on for us on this one.

I'll try but the news blackout makes that very hard without live feeds to follow.


Will the facts/transcripts/evidence be released at the conclusion of the trial? Or some years later?
aggiehawg
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I just want to briefly comment on the jury selection process this judge is utilizing. At first blush, it appears pretty ambitious to expect to have a full jury empaneled with one day of voir dire. It is more common for jury questionnaires to go out to potential panel members before they arrive for selection so the lawyers have some time to evaluate their responses, do the social media dives, etc.

This judge summoned the panel yesterday on Monday and then had them fill out the questionnaires while there. So lawyers had yesterday evening to run their traps and then further review all day today to narrow down the panel that will then be questioned tomorrow.

My question is how much argument over show cause, use of peremptory strikes was the judge wanting from the lawyers during today's proceedings? Any? or a lot?
Backyard Gator
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BMX Bandit said:

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as for a civil case against the parents, extreme long shot. unless they gave him the knife knowing he had a proclivity for stabbing people, that case likely fails.


There is plenty of precedent for holding parents civilly liable for stuff their minor children have done.

yes, and those cases require the criminal action to be foreseeable. knowing he carried a knife isn't going to be sufficient under the law.

the rule in texas is going to be that a parent's liability "depends on whether the injury to the third party is reasonably foreseeable under the circumstances as evidenced by the parent's knowledge, consent, sanction, or participation in the child's activities."

I mean....

BMX Bandit
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if the only facts are he had been suspended for having a knife, and parents knew he had been in fights, that's still not legally enough to create a duty for the parents.


I really hope there is more info out there and Austin's parents are able to recover civilly from this horrible Anthony family. I'm just telling you the reality of the situation and law in Texas on the high burden of doing so.
HtownAg92
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aggiehawg said:

I just want to briefly comment on the jury selection process this judge is utilizing. At first blush, it appears pretty ambitious to expect to have a full jury empaneled with one day of voir dire. It is more common for jury questionnaires to go out to potential panel members before they arrive for selection so the lawyers have some time to evaluate their responses, do the social media dives, etc.

This judge summoned the panel yesterday on Monday and then had them fill out the questionnaires while there. So lawyers had yesterday evening to run their traps and then further review all day today to narrow down the panel that will then be questioned tomorrow.

My question is how much argument over show cause, use of peremptory strikes was the judge wanting from the lawyers during today's proceedings? Any? or a lot?

I also don't understand the size of the panel. 50 excused and "hope to have it narrowed to 250". Did they call 400 people for a jury of 12? Even if the Judge gives each side 10 strikes each, and even if 2 out of every 3 are struck for cause, you don't get to juror #100.
aggiehawg
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I also don't understand the size of the panel. 50 excused and "hope to have it narrowed to 250". Did they call 400 people for a jury of 12? Even if the Judge gives each side 10 strikes each, and even if 2 out of every 3 are struck for cause, you don't get to juror #100.

It could be a cattle call for jury panels for multiple trials, I guess. But with such a high profile case, not that unusual to have a larger panel. I just found a court using an entire day consulting with attorneys over the results of questionnaires AND then deciding which potential jurors are recalled for formal voir dire a bit curious.

Every judge have their own preferences of course.
aggiehawg
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Update:



As I recall, they started the day with 200 potential jurors. This judge has said his court sessions will go until 6 PM.

Color me skeptical they will end the day with a jury empaneled. I'll eat crow and applaud the judge if he manages to pull it off though. Always have to respect a judge in firm control of their courtroom.
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Day 3 - the final day of jury selection.

Boy, do I have a lot to write about from today. Be patient with me, because there is a lot to unpack.

I'll be breaking down the questions asked by both the prosecution and the defense, as well as some of the most interesting moments from the day.

As of now, the jury pool has been narrowed down to 90 potential jurors.

aggiehawg
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90 potential jurors? Have any jurors been accepted?
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