GoFundMe for Karmelo Anthony

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Teslag
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https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-death-of-ut-freshman-in-2001-denied-parole-for-third-time

Sounds like he ended up doing the full 20
fc2112
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The attorney's interest in taking it to trial grew in parallel to his GoFundMe account
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Teslag said:

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-death-of-ut-freshman-in-2001-denied-parole-for-third-time

Sounds like he ended up doing the full 20

He was out I know for a while, had a Facebook page.

man, miss remembered his sentencing, I always thought he had been out.
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I wonder if he were allowed to have one while in the pokey?
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Teslag said:

I wonder if he were allowed to have one while in the pokey?

Could be, it was a long time ago right when facebook was coming out, I thought I remember seeing pics of him and his mom in plain clothes. Good to see he severed it, wasted two lives and destroyed a family.
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ShaggySLC said:

Teslag said:

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-death-of-ut-freshman-in-2001-denied-parole-for-third-time

Sounds like he ended up doing the full 20

He was out I know for a while, had a Facebook page.

man, miss remembered his sentencing, I always thought he had been out.

Looks like he served 18 years and some months. Released for parole in 2020.
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Teslag said:

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/man-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-death-of-ut-freshman-in-2001-denied-parole-for-third-time

Sounds like he ended up doing the full 20

As he should have. Getting drunk doesn't make you do things you wouldn't do otherwise - it just removes the inhibitions that normally restrain you.

I've been drunk plenty of times and never was inclined to kick a guy in the head while he was on the ground.
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Teslag said:

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/justice-or-vengeance-11724007/

Story about ski goggle killing


That is maybe the first but definitely the quickest verification of an anecdote I've ever seen on TexAgs. Yeah that story hits close to home. I guess any one of our first nights in high school and early college could have ended up like that.
Teslag
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Ya he should be thankful he just got 20. Prosecutors pushed for murder and life, which honestly was probably what he should have got.
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aggiepanic95 said:

ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

We find it so easy to be sucked into arguments about his right to be under the tent or right to have a knife - all the while forgetting these are just side shows intended to cloud the real issue and hopefully get Carmelo free of murder.

If he is claiming self defense, the only question is - did he have a reasonable cause to fear for his life? that's the only pertinent question.


Understand that part. Those questions and the answers to them can change whether it's murder or manslaughter right? This feels much more premeditated than what's being said.

No, they don't. Those questions have nothing to do with whether it was reasonable for him to fear for his life or severe bodily harm. That's the only question and all else only serves to obfuscate and confuse and play to the defense.


Gotcha. This case reminds me of a couple guys I graduated high school with we at a party together, one guy was making fun of the others ski goggles and trying to get him to fight. The goggles guy didn't want to fight but finally agreed to do chest punch for punch. As soon as goggles guy hits him the chest, homeboy beats the breaks off him and walked away. He turned back when he saw goggles guy trying to get and kicks him in the face with steel toe boots and kills him right there. He wasn't charged with murder because goggle guy hit him first, he received 10 years for manslaughter for kicking him. Just like steal toe guy set the whole thing up and should have got murder, I believe Anthony set this whole thing up.

Wow, that's messed up

Yeah it really is. A situation where you would like to see one or more family members seek justice by going after the judge, jury, DA, etc. who played a role in him getting off so lightly.
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ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

We find it so easy to be sucked into arguments about his right to be under the tent or right to have a knife - all the while forgetting these are just side shows intended to cloud the real issue and hopefully get Carmelo free of murder.

If he is claiming self defense, the only question is - did he have a reasonable cause to fear for his life? that's the only pertinent question.


Understand that part. Those questions and the answers to them can change whether it's murder or manslaughter right? This feels much more premeditated than what's being said.

No, they don't. Those questions have nothing to do with whether it was reasonable for him to fear for his life or severe bodily harm. That's the only question and all else only serves to obfuscate and confuse and play to the defense.


Gotcha. This case reminds me of a couple guys I graduated high school with were at a party together, one guy was making fun of the others ski goggles and trying to get him to fight. The goggles guy didn't want to fight but finally agreed to do chest punch for punch. As soon as the goggles guy hits him the chest, homeboy beats the breaks off him and walked away. He turned back when he saw goggles guy trying to get up and kicks him in the face with steel toe boots and kills him right there. He wasn't charged with murder because goggle guy hit him first, he received 10 years for manslaughter for kicking him. Just like steal toe guy set the whole thing up and should have got murder, I believe Anthony set this whole thing up.

your story reminded me of an event some 30+ years ago that I have told my sons of and a number of other young men over the years. And it's kind of the opposite of your story.

Football practice my senior year of high school. There was a junior who was a complete jackass and really delighted in getting under your skin. In my case, I was so much bigger and stronger than him that had slapped him around it would have just made me look stupid, and he knew it. So anyway, we're doing this defensive swarming drill where every player not in on the tackle had to tag off on the ball carrier. This kid took a pass and got laid out pretty hard by one of the guys. As I'm jogging up to "tag off" I decide to toe punch smartass in the helmet. But at the very last moment, something in my head screamed "Urban don't do it". And I didn't.

So I'm looking down at this kid and he's looking up at me as says he needs help. I took a knee and waved the coaches over. Ten minutes later the paramedics had him strapped to the board and headed to the hospital. We found out the next morning he had two broken vertebrae in his neck. It took him a long time to recover, walk again, etc. I have thanked God so many times for giving me restraint that day. I could not have lived myself had I made his injury worse or God forbid killed him.
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REPORT: Karmelo Anthony Trial Day Four

Apparently, if you violate a judge's order and cut in front of others who were in line 30 minutes before you, you will be REWARDED with access to a courtroom that only allows 27 members of the public.

According to Judge Roach's order, there is a curfew from 11pm to 6am every day for the duration of the trial. The order applies to the ENTIRE Collin County Courthouse campus, including parking lots, sidewalks, green spaces, and any other designated areas.

I have followed this order every day, arriving right at 6am as required by the curfew.

This morning, the first day of opening statements, I arrived at 6am as usual. There were already 2025 people lined up at the front door. I immediately got in line. Many of them were not secretive about what time they had arrived, and some said they had been there closer to 5am, which is a VIOLATION of the judge's order.

As I stood there, multiple people arrived and cut directly in front of me. And yes, I will make it clear that they were Karmelo Anthony supporters.

I wish I had said something. But I have done my best to maintain the peace so far, even with the disparaging comments that have been made and the constant line-cutting over the past few days.

I am fully fed up today. The first 27 were selected, and the cut off was 2 people in front of me. If there had not been violations or line cutters, I would be in the courtroom right now.

I understand that Judge Roach runs a tight ship, but he cannot control what he does not know is happening.

The family was brought in. Then the media. Then about a dozen individuals who claimed to be "family members of the Anthony's," including Kevin Hayes, Karmelo Anthony's uncle, who initially spread false rumors that Karmelo had been jumped and that his cell phone had been smashed.

THEN, 27 members of the public were given passes for the remainder of the day.

Several of those individuals deserve to be in the courtroom. But the scales were tipped in favor of Anthony supporters because they cut in line and felt "entitled" to those positions.

I'm not going to hold back about their behavior any longer.

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Opening statements have been delivered

Defense

Quote:

"Everybody in that tent is a teammate and friend of Austin and Hunter Metcalf"

"Hunter and Austin notice Melo and tell him to leave"
"Melo is 5'8, 130ish pounds"

"Hunter and Austin were 6"1, 213-215 pounds"

"You're going to hear differing accounts of what was said"

He says witnesses will testify that Melo said "as long as you don't touch me we're cool"

"Austin makes the first physical contact, in spite of the warning, touch me and find out or whatever was said"

"In that split second, melo has a decision to make, how and when to act"

"So he reacts in a split second of fear and chaos"

"He immediately says I was defending myself"

You can already see the obfuscation. A whole flurry of craziness. None of which matters.
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fc2112 said:

Opening statements have been delivered

Defense

Quote:

"Everybody in that tent is a teammate and friend of Austin and Hunter Metcalf"

"Hunter and Austin notice Melo and tell him to leave"
"Melo is 5'8, 130ish pounds"

"Hunter and Austin were 6"1, 213-215 pounds"

"You're going to hear differing accounts of what was said"

He says witnesses will testify that Melo said "as long as you don't touch me we're cool"

"Austin makes the first physical contact, in spite of the warning, touch me and find out or whatever was said"

"In that split second, melo has a decision to make, how and when to act"

"So he reacts in a split second of fear and chaos"

"He immediately says I was defending myself"

You can already see the obfuscation. A whole flurry of craziness. None of which matters.

Wow.

Defense logic is blacks are violent and murderous, and if you ignore a 'warning'm given by a black person, they have a right to murder you. That is what they're arguing in defense of Anthony. Absolutely crazy.

This is also classic victim blaming.
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Urban Ag said:

ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

ShaggySLC said:

fc2112 said:

We find it so easy to be sucked into arguments about his right to be under the tent or right to have a knife - all the while forgetting these are just side shows intended to cloud the real issue and hopefully get Carmelo free of murder.

If he is claiming self defense, the only question is - did he have a reasonable cause to fear for his life? that's the only pertinent question.


Understand that part. Those questions and the answers to them can change whether it's murder or manslaughter right? This feels much more premeditated than what's being said.

No, they don't. Those questions have nothing to do with whether it was reasonable for him to fear for his life or severe bodily harm. That's the only question and all else only serves to obfuscate and confuse and play to the defense.


Gotcha. This case reminds me of a couple guys I graduated high school with were at a party together, one guy was making fun of the others ski goggles and trying to get him to fight. The goggles guy didn't want to fight but finally agreed to do chest punch for punch. As soon as the goggles guy hits him the chest, homeboy beats the breaks off him and walked away. He turned back when he saw goggles guy trying to get up and kicks him in the face with steel toe boots and kills him right there. He wasn't charged with murder because goggle guy hit him first, he received 10 years for manslaughter for kicking him. Just like steal toe guy set the whole thing up and should have got murder, I believe Anthony set this whole thing up.

your story reminded me of an event some 30+ years ago that I have told my sons of and a number of other young men over the years. And it's kind of the opposite of your story.

Football practice my senior year of high school. There was a junior who was a complete jackass and really delighted in getting under your skin. In my case, I was so much bigger and stronger than him that had slapped him around it would have just made me look stupid, and he knew it. So anyway, we're doing this defensive swarming drill where every player not in on the tackle had to tag off on the ball carrier. This kid took a pass and got laid out pretty hard by one of the guys. As I'm jogging up to "tag off" I decide to toe punch smartass in the helmet. But at the very last moment, something in my head screamed "Urban don't do it". And I didn't.

So I'm looking down at this kid and he's looking up at me as says he needs help. I took a knee and waved the coaches over. Ten minutes later the paramedics had him strapped to the board and headed to the hospital. We found out the next morning he had two broken vertebrae in his neck. It took him a long time to recover, walk again, etc. I have thanked God so many times for giving me restraint that day. I could not have lived myself had I made his injury worse or God forbid killed him.

It can happen that quick too. Back to sending Anthony to prison!
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After fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf, Karmelo Anthony tossed the knife and tried to blend in with a group of people, and then fled the scene, according to prosecutors.

Austin Metcalf's final words were "I've been stabbed" and he fell down the bleacher steps.

Austin's brother Hunter rushed to his aid.

In the opening statement, Bill Wirskye Collin County First Asst. District Attorney told the jury the knife Anthony brought was prohibited.

Wirskye also said, "This case has nothing to do with race, this case has nothing to do with self defense…The facts of this case are simple, there are as simple as this killing was senseless…That video tells the story, that video shows the murder, then you're going to hear from numerous eyewitnesses who were there."
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fc2112 said:

Opening statements have been delivered

Defense

Quote:

"Everybody in that tent is a teammate and friend of Austin and Hunter Metcalf"

"Hunter and Austin notice Melo and tell him to leave"
"Melo is 5'8, 130ish pounds"

"Hunter and Austin were 6"1, 213-215 pounds"

"You're going to hear differing accounts of what was said"

He says witnesses will testify that Melo said "as long as you don't touch me we're cool"

"Austin makes the first physical contact, in spite of the warning, touch me and find out or whatever was said"

"In that split second, melo has a decision to make, how and when to act"

"So he reacts in a split second of fear and chaos"

"He immediately says I was defending myself"

You can already see the obfuscation. A whole flurry of craziness. None of which matters.

Gee... I wonder why that is. Certainly couldn't be evidence that these meets are segregated by schools with athletes and students all understanding you stay in your area when not on the field/track.
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I thought I had read there had been some relationship/interaction/bad blood between the killer and the victim, prior to the meet? Maybe I am misremembering since that would be front and center already.

If the evidence on hand wasn't enough, premeditation would obviously be a slam dunk for prosecution.
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Just glad they're continuing to remind people Alexander is a thug POS child and woman beater
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Jack Squat 83 said:

I thought I had read there had been some relationship/interaction/bad blood between the killer and the victim, prior to the meet? Maybe I am misremembering since that would be front and center already.

If the evidence on hand wasn't enough, premeditation would obviously be a slam dunk for prosecution.

That was a narrative that was being pushed by one side right after the murder - that Austin and his twin brother had repeatedly bullied poor Karmelo. Both sides later confirmed the two had never met before the incident, but the bully storyline had done it's job at that point.
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A Net Full of Jello said:

That was a narrative that was being pushed by one side right after the murder - that Austin and his twin brother had repeatedly bullied poor Karmelo. Both sides later confirmed the two had never met before the incident, but the bully storyline had done it's job at that point.

Karmelo showed up to murder a white boy. Any white boy would do. I hope he ends up somebody's ***** in prison.
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AggieArcher17 said:

BMX Bandit said:

both "did he have a right to be in the tent?" And "was it illegal to have the knife" are both red herrings.

if you assume Anthony had every right to be present and carry a knife, that does not change the relevant questions the jury must answer.


Yep. Just because it's legal for me to have a pistol in my waistband at HEB doesn't mean I can shoot someone that shoves me in the dairy aisle


The way people drive and shop at HEB, some of them should be shot.

Your statement is 100% spot on.
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I just don't understand what defense there is for this??? Is the defense just trying to justify the murderer's actions in order to get his jail sentence reduced? I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this because it pisses me off where I have to go try annd calm myself down. Between this and the poor kid who was murdered in England it is just too much.

Edit: I mean, look at the POS people supporting the murderer b/c he is the same skin color as them.

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I have worked with many like this Karmelo.
I wonder if kid was on meds for his temper etc and parents did not buy them for him - they had other stuff to buy. Or as lots of kids like this,they have illusions of grandeur and think they don't need meds to cope and don't take meds - and once they start self weaning, they are often uncontrollable.
If parents didn't buy meds, can family file suit?
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That black man seems like a real peach to be around.
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You've got to remember that there is a not so trivial faction of the "community" that really believes the we were kings mantra and believes that black skinned people created everything...even white people. The black power/black supremacy movement is crackerjacks crazy
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25Lighters said:

I just don't understand what defense there is for this??? Is the defense just trying to justify the murderer's actions in order to get his jail sentence reduced? I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this because it pisses me off where I have to go try annd calm myself down. Between this and the poor kid who was murdered in England it is just too much.

Edit: I mean, look at the POS people supporting the murderer b/c he is the same skin color as them.



Heart attack by the time he's halfway across the street..
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slatermikan said:

25Lighters said:

I just don't understand what defense there is for this??? Is the defense just trying to justify the murderer's actions in order to get his jail sentence reduced? I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this because it pisses me off where I have to go try annd calm myself down. Between this and the poor kid who was murdered in England it is just too much.

Edit: I mean, look at the POS people supporting the murderer b/c he is the same skin color as them.



Heart attack by the time he's halfway across the street..


Most work that guy has done in years!
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slatermikan said:

25Lighters said:

I just don't understand what defense there is for this??? Is the defense just trying to justify the murderer's actions in order to get his jail sentence reduced? I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this because it pisses me off where I have to go try annd calm myself down. Between this and the poor kid who was murdered in England it is just too much.

Edit: I mean, look at the POS people supporting the murderer b/c he is the same skin color as them.



Heart attack by the time he's halfway across the street..

So he is calling people names (including the cop on the motorcycle) based on the color of their skin. How is that not racism? If the guy he was yelling at responded by sayin "If I'm a cracker, you're a (n-word)" the situation would have gotten a lot more interesting. This one-way racism thing is getting really tiresome.
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Why do some black people think calling white people crackers is some sort of insult?
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It's insane that we have gotten to the point that black people can call white people whatever they want, but if a white person uses any term, the use of that term is either a mitigating factor, or outright defense against, criminal prosecution. Even crazier, it's not just some black people that take this position, but people of all races.
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Backyard Gator said:



Just glad they're continuing to remind people Alexander is a thug POS child and woman beater


Avoid a certain segment of society like the plague.

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The family could have spent that money on the best defense lawyer but no.... they got this guy.
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Backyard Gator said:



Just glad they're continuing to remind people Alexander is a thug POS child and woman beater

Speaking of reminders, in our legal system the fairness of the trial will be reviewed/determined in the appeal process. There is presently no reason to think that it's unfair. None whatsoever.

Unless... you are a POS racist that views everything through a lens of entitlement and the amount of melanin that's present in another's skin. Yeah, screw those guys...
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25Lighters said:

I just don't understand what defense there is for this??? Is the defense just trying to justify the murderer's actions in order to get his jail sentence reduced? I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this because it pisses me off where I have to go try annd calm myself down. Between this and the poor kid who was murdered in England it is just too much.

Edit: I mean, look at the POS people supporting the murderer b/c he is the same skin color as them.



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