Sorry, meant Danvers. I say that b/c of her phone going off earlier in the season and saying it was Tinder but from Fairbanks as she doesn't F where she eats. Umm, she F's everyone in town. It went off another time and it was fantasy football and they asked if it was Tinder… kinda insinuating her phones going off a lot.

But, yeah the money angle would be a bit crappy of her.

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Did they give mileage for Ennis? Or just the guy hunting the caribou?

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When the guy is hunting they give the mileage and the last day of sunset info (doesn't line up). Then when the supply guy is driving up to the lab, they say the third night or something like that. So, even if the caribou hunter was far away from the lab, the numbers/ geo still don't add up.

Being a bit nit-picky for a fictional town, I suppose, but seems a bit sloppy to have an interesting element but totally mess up all the fine details of it.

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Sorry, meant Danvers. I say that b/c of her phone going off earlier in the season and saying it was Tinder but from Fairbanks as she doesn't F where she eats. Umm, she F's everyone in town. It went off another time and it was fantasy football and they asked if it was Tinder… kinda insinuating her phones going off a lot.

But, yeah the money angle would be a bit crappy of her.

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I think he just ends up blowing his brains out when it finally dawns on him that he's been duped. With only 2 episodes left I can't see it being tied into anything else at this point but who knows.

Pikka?

Mr President Elect said:

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Sorry, meant Danvers. I say that b/c of her phone going off earlier in the season and saying it was Tinder but from Fairbanks as she doesn't F where she eats. Umm, she F's everyone in town. It went off another time and it was fantasy football and they asked if it was Tinder… kinda insinuating her phones going off a lot.

But, yeah the money angle would be a bit crappy of her.

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That would be a dumb sideplot to add when it brings nothing of value to the story.

Willow

Yeah… but the guy is a dick. Would be sort of funny if she were getting compensated for his spitefulness. Even better if he finds out and they have a confrontation over it.

control freak Sheridan, even with all his other projects interfering with his time, would have done a better job than Lopez imo.

Noah Hawley. Another Texas native, from Austin. He's overseen all five Fargo seasons, two seasons of Legion, and is currently showrunning a new Alien prequel series set on Earth. All for FX. He's their go-to guy, and it'd take a lot for HBO to ever steal him away.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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I can't believe this woman doesn't just automatically make cinematic gold that resonates with normal people and which we can all relate to. Shocking that such a person would make calloused cardboard personality characters that are damn near impossible to sympathize with or root for. Hope producers learned a lesson here.



I am still interested enough to stick it out to see what happens, but everyone I know IRL who has watched this thinks it is garbage...even if most are still watching because they feel pot committed by now.

After re-watching "Wind River" the other night...would have been awesome to see Taylor Sheridan involved in something like this, although I know he has his hands full.

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Movie Taylor Sheridan = gold

TV Taylor Sheridan = ehhhhhh. Yellowstone started off campy and went so far beyond that I've developed some doubts about his capabilities. Maybe he's gotten greedy and just spread himself too thin.

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I gave Yellowstone like 1.5 eps and I just didn't like anyone in the show. I loved 1883 and 1923 though. Curious to see if you thought those were bad? I thought they were both phenomenal. Tulsa King looks like kind of a cheesy, check your mind at the front door, type of show, but I know quite a few people who love it anyways.

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Personally, I don't like any of his TV stuff. I've given every one of his shows a shot, and they're just not my thing. They all feel like glorified CBS broadcast procedurals to me, except with a PG-13 rating. The quality and writing just isn't on par with a lot of the cable/streaming stuff I watch. I like the subject matter just fine, it's just the brand of filmmaking I'm not a huge fan of.

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Fair enough.

I do hope he continues to make great films in the future though. But I could see a god-complex of sorts getting in the way of that, especially in this type of industry.

One thing I do respect about him, is the level of research he does for some of his projects though. Before listening to his podcast with Rogan, I had no idea how much research and how many interviews he did for Sicario alone. He says that movie was like the PG version of what actually goes on, based on accounts from people in multiple agencies and orgs with boots on the ground here and in Mexico. He could kick around all sorts of crime and drug stats off the top of his head. He's a dedicated dude who grinds his ass off, that's for sure.

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A bit off topic but my wife and I started the latest season of Fargo last night. Got about 5 episodes in and it is sooooooo much better than this season of TD.

Interesting characters, a plot that actually moves along, and some potentially supernatural stuff going on as well. TD should have hired that director instead of goat lady

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Really enjoyed this season.

I love how Fargo can go from totally mundane to completely off the rails in like 60 seconds. Also some just juicy, fun characters.

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FL_Ag1998 said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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I can't believe this woman doesn't just automatically make cinematic gold that resonates with normal people and which we can all relate to. Shocking that such a person would make calloused cardboard personality characters that are damn near impossible to sympathize with or root for. Hope producers learned a lesson here.



I am still interested enough to stick it out to see what happens, but everyone I know IRL who has watched this thinks it is garbage...even if most are still watching because they feel pot committed by now.

After re-watching "Wind River" the other night...would have been awesome to see Taylor Sheridan involved in something like this, although I know he has his hands full.

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Movie Taylor Sheridan = gold

TV Taylor Sheridan = ehhhhhh. Yellowstone started off campy and went so far beyond that I've developed some doubts about his capabilities. Maybe he's gotten greedy and just spread himself too thin.

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I gave Yellowstone like 1.5 eps and I just didn't like anyone in the show. I loved 1883 and 1923 though. Curious to see if you thought those were bad? I thought they were both phenomenal. Tulsa King looks like kind of a cheesy, check your mind at the front door, type of show, but I know quite a few people who love it anyways.

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1883 - trying to remember how I felt about it...... Loved the premise and loved the start, just didn't like the progression of the plot and definitely didn't like the ending. Felt like he just didn't have enough actual plot to fill all of the episodes. McGraw and Hill were serviceable in their roles and did ok for singers who were trying to act. But better actors would have done a better job with the material. Sam Elliot is always gold and that role was tailor made for him. The main actress...ehhh, accent was horrible and at times her character was just annoying. The show was decent enough overall.

Haven't seen 1923 yet.

Tulsa King, haven't seen but yeah agree with your assessment of how it looks.

But Yellowstone just got so damn stupid. I mean, it rivals Daytime soaps for writing quality. I'm glad Costner said adios, because I like him as an actor. But TCTTS is right, Sheridan's quality as a tv showrunner (if that's the right term for him) falls waaaaay short of the perfection that is Sicario and Hell or High Water. I wonder if that's because he only wrote them. I mean, without a doubt Sicario isn't what it is if it wasn't directed by Villeneuve.

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I'm not arguing that the show couldn't have been better, or that it didn't need more oversight. I've stated/agreed with both of those things multiple times in this thread. I'm arguing that it sucks for multiple reasons, none of which have to do with the color of Lopez's skin or something as stupid as "white guilt."

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Well it's either gross incompetence at the top by hiring someone not qualified for the job then not providing the necessary guidance and direction to make a watchable product within a franchise that is wobbling. Or it's exactly what I said in my previous post and these Peter principle fools are going to need shoulder surgery from patting themselves on the back.

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It's clear you have no idea how this stuff is made, because chances are taken on up-and-coming filmmakers ALL THE TIME. On all colors and genders. Even and especially in the blockbuster superhero world, where there's far more at stake. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes a studio has great execs who can shepherd/save a project, sometimes they don't. It's all a crapshoot, and varies not just from studio to studio but project to project.

Also, as someone who pitches to these studios, I can attest first-hand that HBO isn't one of the ones actively looking to fill arbitrary diversity quotas. Amazon? Yes. Disney? Obviously. But not HBO, not in any official way.

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The last 3-5 years of HBO have felt different to me on risk taking and story telling (not saying I agree with the opposing argument on this thread) but with their overall history I completely agree with you. If anything HBO was willing to take risks and tell stories other networks and entities avoided completely out of fear of backlash... For 3 decades. But it always felt true and important and never to check diversity boxes.

I feel like they're in a weird spot recently in that they don't know what they want to be. That said, I don't think (or I hope it wasn't) the choice of direction for this season was anything other than a good conscious decision to present a new season of a franchise they own. It's too bad it sucks so much.

Very interesting I really appreciate you sharing this background. I understand to a point a project not working out, it happens in every industry. What I don't understand is how this could moss so badly and so quickly. It is as if the entire Tuttle occult, Travis Chole angle was thrown in to keep people hanging while the execs allowed the writer(s) do make some sort of coffee & cigarettes meets a PG Blum house in Alaska.

Yeah, the final season of Game of Thrones being met with such vitriol I think was the start, and probably threw them for a loop. Which also happened to coincide with the beginning of the streaming craze, and all that mess/confusion where HBO was being combined (but not really?) with "Max Originals," the turnover there, then the sale to Discovery, etc. There's just been so much upheaval the past few years I think it's been a challenge at times for them to find their footing/voice again.

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Noah Hawley. Another Texas native, from Austin. He's overseen all five Fargo seasons, two seasons of Legion, and is currently showrunning a new Alien prequel series set on Earth. All for FX. He's their go-to guy, and it'd take a lot for HBO to ever steal him away.

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Are you sure about that?

Yeah, why? He wasn't born in Texas but he's lived in Austin for 15 years…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/inside-fargo-creator-noah-hawley-austin-office-1235646944/

TCTTS said:

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Yeah, why? He wasn't born in Texas but he's lived in Austin for 15 years…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/inside-fargo-creator-noah-hawley-austin-office-1235646944/

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What agdoc said. Don't call someone a Native Texan when they weren't born in Texas, especially when they were born in New York.