i disagree, but there obviously is a kernel of truth.Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
what distinguishes love/altruism from self fulfillment is a valid question
It's been argued many times, and I agree with it, is there really are no such things as pure altruism. Those give or do because of how it makes them feel.
is the trip dangerous? Sure, but they've obviously been successfully making the trip for over a decade. They probably see it as "routine" at this point. And I agree that Tess probably doesn't die if they don't have Ellie with them.Brian Earl Spilner said:
Of course he knew it would be a dangerous trip, but to call it a selfish act is a massive stretch. He had no way of knowing Tess would die, and she wouldn't have if they weren't taking Ellie to the Fireflies.
and during a ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE.M.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
I thought about ending it all after the first week of COVID when Gal Gadot and those other celebrities published that video of them singing "Imagine" by John Lennon. It doesn't take that much, guys.gigemJTH12 said:and during a ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE.M.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
these heroes on here are hilarious. Telling us exactly what they would do in that situation.
unbelievable
Yeah, life is already bleak. Besides Frank, he tangentially knows two other people who live elsewhere and who he doesn't know are alive or dead at any given moment. Plus, he's old himself.gigemJTH12 said:and during a ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE.M.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
these heroes on here are hilarious. Telling us exactly what they would do in that situation.
unbelievable
No. You are hilarious telling us how survivors react to dire situations. Killing oneself is completely giving in to despair and is selfish.gigemJTH12 said:and during a ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE.M.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
these heroes on here are hilarious. Telling us exactly what they would do in that situation.
unbelievable
I'll watch Gal sing anything she wants, but the rest of the celebs were a beatdown.Head Ninja In Charge said:I thought about ending it all after the first week of COVID when Gal Gadot and those other celebrities published that video of them singing "Imagine" by John Lennon. It doesn't take that much, guys.gigemJTH12 said:and during a ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE.M.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
these heroes on here are hilarious. Telling us exactly what they would do in that situation.
unbelievable
boy09 said:
I'm starting to think you guys just like to argue for the sake of arguing
Pheobe and Joey have this exact argument in one of the episodes shortly after Ross says Raches name at the altar with Emily.cbr said:i disagree, but there obviously is a kernel of truth.Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
what distinguishes love/altruism from self fulfillment is a valid question
It's been argued many times, and I agree with it, is there really are no such things as pure altruism. Those give or do because of how it makes them feel.
i still think the unselfish thing to do is stay alive an help, rather than 'here's a letter to someone'
that said, i hope i never have to find out which choice i would make.
Four Seasons Landscaping said:Pheobe and Joey have this exact argument in one of the episodes shortly after Ross says Raches name at the altar with Emily.cbr said:i disagree, but there obviously is a kernel of truth.Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
what distinguishes love/altruism from self fulfillment is a valid question
It's been argued many times, and I agree with it, is there really are no such things as pure altruism. Those give or do because of how it makes them feel.
i still think the unselfish thing to do is stay alive an help, rather than 'here's a letter to someone'
that said, i hope i never have to find out which choice i would make.
They were intentionally acting, though.
For laughs.
People were laughing at them.
cbr said:i disagree, but there obviously is a kernel of truth.Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
what distinguishes love/altruism from self fulfillment is a valid question
It's been argued many times, and I agree with it, is there really are no such things as pure altruism. Those give or do because of how it makes them feel.
i still think the unselfish thing to do is stay alive an help, rather than 'here's a letter to someone'
that said, i hope i never have to find out which choice i would make.
Not at all.Counterpoint said:Urban Ag said:My apologies to both of you. Somehow I missed that. I think by that point my mind was racing between memories of stuff going on in my life and the show. My bad.GreasenUSA said:Yeah, you might want to watch the dinner table scene again.Urban Ag said:
Second point. Think it was great that Bill did not even hint at taking his own life afterwards. Hence, Pascal finds the note before the viewer knows it has happened. Frank could no longer burden Bill. But to Bill it was not a burden at all. And in return, Bill would never let Frank know in his last moments that he planned on ending his life as well. Which can also be argued, at that point, was a mercy killing.
Don't apologize, Urban! And thanks so much for sharing your story earlier. But I'm curious, does knowing that he did "tell" Frank change your feelings about the ending?
johnnyblaze36 said:Nah, it's really not that simple. You looked up my posting history on F16 and immediately assumed I was a bigot because I didn't like the episode when I claimed it strayed so far from the source material, in which we were told it would not. Then called for me to be banned from this website.TCTTS said:DallasTeleAg said:Is this a genuine question you want to answered? On this thread? These are types of posts that keep the derailment going. And then someone will say my post is keeping the thread derailed because I am apparently not allowed to respond to others without getting shouted at.Macarthur said:
The homosexuality one is a bit of a diff talking point. I suspect there is some "natural" response to being uncomfortable but I also think that's because of our conditioning. I know my kids have zero uncomfortableness in seeing same sex affection on TV. So, we have to ask ourselves why do we feel that uncomfortableness.
"We" don't have to ask "ourselves" anything. You may ask why others think or feel something, but you probably already know and are just waiting for a chance to attack someone else's belief structure because you believe yours to be the true righteous way of thinking.
I know my worldviews and have spent 35 years developing them, understanding them, and accepting them. No one on a TexAgs thread, especially the self-righteous ones here, are going to convince about anything. My tolerance for watching certain acts is my own. I'm not preaching on this thread about the the depravity of homosexuals because I believe in the depravity of all man and do not think any worse of homosexuals than I do of anyone else. However, it doesn't mean I have to celebrate something and give thunderous applause when I see it portrayed.
I also will not be shouted down on a discussion thread if that subject is being discussed. That is not who I am, nor has it ever been who I am. I can guarantee you that, were this all being done in person, I would say the exact same things.
I've been doing my best to be more civil, and more agreeable, so I don't want to start anything, but I have to interject on this particular point and say that literally no one is demanding you/asking you to "celebrate" homosexuality, diversity, etc. Sure, some Hollywood SJW might, in their acceptance speech or whatever, but no one here is asking this of you or anyone else. All we want is for people to *not* bring their *negative* views on homosexuality to this thread, simply because those views are almost always either religious or political in nature, and would thus be "better" expressed on the respective boards devoted to those topics. No one here cares how much someone squirmed during a scene in which two men kissed, and no one wants to hear rants about "agendas" and "groomers" or any of that nonsense. If someone wants to b*tch about those things, as a poster said earlier, start a thread on F16. It's that simple.
I ask you this: explain to me how the **** is Omar Little in my top 3 characters in television history and I own this, purchased intentionally (1/100)? You logically can't. Now that is very simple.
If my wife and sons were gone, in this "scenario" I'm a nuke with a hair triggerM.C. Swag said:
Personally, if my wife and kid were gone, I'd easily contemplate "alternative" options to living without them. I don't think that's selfish, I think it's human.
The last couple of pages of this thread make assisted suicide sound like a relief.Cave Johnson, CEO said:
This thread is more gay than the episode.
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Many people who commit suicide are suffering emotionally, not physically. They can be helped and live a good life. It can destroy a family when someone commits suicide. So yes, it is selfish. You've obviously never known someone who committed suicide.AgE2theBONE said:cbr said:i disagree, but there obviously is a kernel of truth.Chuck Cunningham said:Quote:
what distinguishes love/altruism from self fulfillment is a valid question
It's been argued many times, and I agree with it, is there really are no such things as pure altruism. Those give or do because of how it makes them feel.
i still think the unselfish thing to do is stay alive an help, rather than 'here's a letter to someone'
that said, i hope i never have to find out which choice i would make.
If you're choosing to stay alive to help others, you're doing it to satisfy your own sensibilities, your own conscience.
Everything we do is selfish, which is to say we do it for our own reasons, for whatever benefit we perceive.
There's a difference between stupid selfishness and smart selfishness, of course.
I've always found some negative attitudes toward suicide to be as selfish as such attitudes can get. Can't imagine being more selfish than wanting someone else to stay alive and suffer so that *you* don't feel bad. (Not talking about your post, speaking in general terms here. Rambling, in fact.)
