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Thanos is willing to sacrifice his daughter for the Soul Stone

Thor is willing to sacrifice himself for the Stormbreaker

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I'd argue these two were under duress as well. Thanos has sought the destruction of 1/2 the galaxy for years. The only way to achieve it is to kill his daughter. He does it only when forced.

Thor knows he has to have a weapon capable of killing Thanos or the galaxy loses. He only risks himself (don't think this even qualifies since his sacrifice was only a risk and not a done deal like the rest) when the mechanism fails....also known as being forced to.

You are highly selective in what you call "willing" imo.

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Bobcat06 said:

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mpl35 said:

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Thanos is willing to sacrifice his daughter for the Soul Stone

Thor is willing to sacrifice himself for the Stormbreaker

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I'd argue these two were under duress as well. Thanos has sought the destruction of 1/2 the galaxy for years. The only way to achieve it is to kill his daughter. He does it only when forced.

Thor knows he has to have a weapon capable of killing Thanos or the galaxy loses. He only risks himself (don't think this even qualifies since his sacrifice was only a risk and not a done deal like the rest) when the mechanism fails....also known as being forced to.

You are highly selective in what you call "willing" imo.

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Star Lord, Strange, Witch and Captain all make excuses and try to avoid making sacrifices.

But Thor and Thanos don't make excuses.
Thanos doesn't summon one of the Black Order to take Gamora's place.
Thor doesn't ask if there's a lesser weapon available.
They restrain their impulse and exert willpower to get it done.

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Saw it last night.

Ending seemed pointless

disappointed.

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If you thought the ending was pointless, then I dont think you paid attention to the movie.

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mpl35 said:

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Bobcat06 said:

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mpl35 said:

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Thanos is willing to sacrifice his daughter for the Soul Stone

Thor is willing to sacrifice himself for the Stormbreaker

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I'd argue these two were under duress as well. Thanos has sought the destruction of 1/2 the galaxy for years. The only way to achieve it is to kill his daughter. He does it only when forced.

Thor knows he has to have a weapon capable of killing Thanos or the galaxy loses. He only risks himself (don't think this even qualifies since his sacrifice was only a risk and not a done deal like the rest) when the mechanism fails....also known as being forced to.

You are highly selective in what you call "willing" imo.

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Star Lord, Strange, Witch and Captain all make excuses and try to avoid making sacrifices.

But Thor and Thanos don't make excuses.
Thanos doesn't summon one of the Black Order to take Gamora's place.
Thor doesn't ask if there's a lesser weapon available.
They restrain their impulse and exert willpower to get it done.

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Reaching. Justifying.

Thor isn't sacrificing. He even says that facing Thanos without that axe is suicide. FORCED to risk his life. Just like Thanos. He doesn't love the black order. He loves Gamora.

And others have already pointed out that Strange only gave up the stone because it was the only way to win. When you see the future, it isn't a sacrifice.

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If the writers seriously go the route that some of you are talking about, and The Avengers only win because Thanos reverses what he did or just gives up and lets them change things back, I'll be seriously disappointed. That would be a ***** move and make Thanos the biggest ***** villain ever.

Sure, let him regret having to sacrifice his daughter.
But these are the Avengers, the ultimate good guys that we've all been watching and waiting for 10 years building up to this moment. If Thanos just gives up and that's how they win....what an ultimate cop out. They already made Thanos less of a bad-ass and more touchy-feely than he is in the comic books...don't ruin it by making the ending more of a Thanos surrender than an Avengers victory.

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I did, and I was somewhat bothered by what appeared to me to be a not-so-thinly-veiled approval or acceptance of genocide as an acceptable solution to a "problem" of overpopulation.

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Can you expound on this? Trying to understand your point here.

Acceptance of genocide by who? Thanos? Or the Avengers? Or the writers?

Because if you mean any of the latter two, I'm really curious to hear you defend that position. I could not disagree more with this assertion.

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No come-uppance of any sort

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Nobody outside of Thanos' own crew accepts or agrees with the genocide. They are all literally fighting him to the death to prevent it. It's an incredible reach to say that the movie in anyway condones the idea.

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Fenrir said:

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Nobody outside of Thanos' own crew accepts or agrees with the genocide. They are all literally fighting him to the death to prevent it. It's an incredible reach to say that the movie in anyway condones the idea.

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Nobody outside of Thanos' own crew accepts or agrees with the genocide. They are all literally fighting him to the death to prevent it. It's an incredible reach to say that the movie in anyway condones the idea.

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Right, not following the logic here that it's somehow condoned or accepted. It's only been accepted in past events because the people couldn't do anything about it.

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If he was right about Gamora's world and now they all live in a "paradise", maybe he'll be right about the rest of the Universe.

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Nobody outside of Thanos' own crew accepts or agrees with the genocide. They are all literally fighting him to the death to prevent it. It's an incredible reach to say that the movie in anyway condones the idea.

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Perhaps, but so far, Thanos is "right", regardless of what everyone else does or says.

He eliminates half, and life goes on.

If he was right about Gamora's world and now they all live in a "paradise", maybe he'll be right about the rest of the Universe.

Again, I have no idea what's coming next, maybe there is a return to sanity and Thanos will either be shown to have been wrong or will see and understand how wrong he was. As of now, he is a sympathetic character who was willing to sacrifice the only being he loved for what he believed was the right thing to do.

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Bad **** happens in movies sometimes, it doesn't mean that the movies/writers/protagonists agree, condone or promote it. It means that it's a movie that has provided an extra high hurdle for the protagonists to overcome. I'm really starting to question whether it would be in your best interest to just stick to Veggie Tales going forward.

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AgMarauder04 said:

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http://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/05/avengers-infinity-war-star-lord-was-part-of-the-plan/

Thoughts?

Thesis is that Strange was counting on Star Lord flipping out as part of the "one way" to best him. That going into the struggle on Titan, they were going to fail that time.

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Fenrir said:

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Nobody outside of Thanos' own crew accepts or agrees with the genocide. They are all literally fighting him to the death to prevent it. It's an incredible reach to say that the movie in anyway condones the idea.

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Perhaps, but so far, Thanos is "right", regardless of what everyone else does or says.

He eliminates half, and life goes on.

If he was right about Gamora's world and now they all live in a "paradise", maybe he'll be right about the rest of the Universe.

Again, I have no idea what's coming next, maybe there is a return to sanity and Thanos will either be shown to have been wrong or will see and understand how wrong he was. As of now, he is a sympathetic character who was willing to sacrifice the only being he loved for what he believed was the right thing to do.

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Bad **** happens in movies sometimes, it doesn't mean that the movies/writers/protagonists agree, condone or promote it. It means that it's a movie that has provided an extra high hurdle for the protagonists to overcome. I'm really starting to question whether it would be in your best interest to just stick to Veggie Tales going forward.

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