*** Official MAD MEN seventh and final season thread ***

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In reply to DanHo2010 • 2:43p, 5/18/15
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  • haven't quite put my finger on what Weiner was getting at, but it's not a coincidence that Joan tried cocaine (coke) in an episode centered on a Coke ad.
I took it to show how times were changing. New decade, different drugs becoming popular.

Coke really skyrocketed in the mid 70s but Joan having a toot definitely showed how pot was about to be displaced as the new, hot recreational drug.
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2:43p, 5/18/15
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That says more about you than it does the show. It did not meet YOUR expectations.
same goes for those who liked it. the show DID meet your expectations as a fan.
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2:46p, 5/18/15
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Or you don't have expectations. I try to watch shows and just go along for the ride.
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In reply to cecil77 • 2:59p, 5/18/15
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Or you don't have expectations. I try to watch shows and just go along for the ride.
I do, have loved this show from the beginning, but I just wanted a bit more in the finale. That's all. We can all agree to disagree.

It was a great series.
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3:22p, 5/18/15
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Even more thoughts from Sepinwall...

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/mad-men-joans-glasses-harrys-cookie-and-more-series-finale-odds-ends
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In reply to annie88 • 3:31p, 5/18/15
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That says more about you than it does the show. It did not meet YOUR expectations.
same goes for those who liked it. the show DID meet your expectations as a fan.


If most finales fall short to you, then your expectations are too high.
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3:33p, 5/18/15
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Underrated scene: Marie and Roger in the hotel room. Roger is only happy when he has a woman telling him what to do.
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In reply to BBRex • 3:48p, 5/18/15
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I agree but a TV show that took great pains to stick to story lines that fit into our reality. It sort of sucks if it tossed all that in the trash in the final scene.

McCann-Erickson is a real company and none of those people were ever on the payroll. There goes your "reality"
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In reply to ElephantRider • 3:58p, 5/18/15
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In historical fiction, the characters are the fiction placed in a larger historical fact. But nice try.
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4:09p, 5/18/15
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All the endings:

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4:17p, 5/18/15
Just watched it.
havent read the thread (up to page 45)

Loved it. Just the right amount of closure and just the right about of "white space". Perfectly balanced as an episode, perfectly balanced as a finale, perfectly balanced as a series.

I loved how they played out an entire "will they, won't they" drama in 10 ****ing seconds. like Peggy, I had never thought of them together and then BAM! There it is and it works, peferctly.

Bravo.
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5:01p, 5/18/15
I'm gonna miss this show. Probably my favorite of all time. Just because of a lot of personal connections. Draper is the man.
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5:22p, 5/18/15
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Or maybe it was warm in california and shirtsleeve was more comfortable than a suit.
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5:23p, 5/18/15
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This show always had a ton of great visuals, and last night was no exception.

Personally, I don't love the ending, but I get why people do. Not going to take away one bit of how much I liked the show though.
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5:29p, 5/18/15
I watched the wire and most of sopranos after they had aired, caught up late with lost as I joined after the first 3 seasons (watched all eps before watching new ones live), started Breaking Bad the same way in between seasons 3 and 4.

I started Mad Men in the first season live. So it has been a slow burn all these years enjoying this amazing show.

I really think it's at the top for me, with a very close couple of shows below it. But due to the "traditional" (weird to say that as if it's almost no longer the norm) viewing of this series week to week, year to year... It just has a different nostalgic effect for me than the others.

What a phenomenal show. This one isn't replaceable in the Sunday night lineup.
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5:39p, 5/18/15
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As for me, I don't like ambiguity. I don't like the "choose whatever ending you want to believe" bullsquat.

I can stop short of needing to see Don pitch the Coke ad idea and blow away all of the McCann haters, but I want to know for sure if he went back to McCann in NYC or just fed the idea to Peggy.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 5:40p, 5/18/15
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I watched the wire and most of sopranos after they had aired, caught up late with lost as I joined after the first 3 seasons (watched all eps before watching new ones live), started Breaking Bad the same way in between seasons 3 and 4.

I started Mad Men in the first season live. So it has been a slow burn all these years enjoying this amazing show.

I really think it's at the top for me, with a very close couple of shows below it. But due to the "traditional" (weird to say that as if it's almost no longer the norm) viewing of this series week to week, year to year... It just has a different nostalgic effect for me than the others.

What a phenomenal show. This one isn't replaceable in the Sunday night lineup.


Right there with you. I joined each of those shows (save for Lost, which I was with from day one) in almost the exact way. But with Mad Men, driving to work one day in 2007, I remember seeing a billboard for it on Sunset Blvd - the red and black lettering with the silhouette of a man sitting/smoking - and something about it immediately grabbed my attention. I remember getting to work, Googling it, watching the trailer, and thinking I HAVE to watch that. And I fell in love immediately upon first viewing. Back then, I didn't know a single other person who watched the first season. It felt like such a personal/underground thing. In fact, I don't remember it really blowing up until season two.
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In reply to Trident 88 • 5:45p, 5/18/15
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As for me, I don't like ambiguity. I don't like the "choose whatever ending you want to believe" bullsquat.

I can stop short of needing to see Don pitch the Coke ad idea and blow away all of the McCann haters, but I want to know for sure if he went back to McCann in NYC or just fed the idea to Peggy.
yeah i agree mostly...actually i don't mind ambiguity as long as it is unambiguous...lol...what i mean is I don;t have to see Don in a montage going back to NY, pitching the idea, etc....for me if you just had exactly the same entire show up until he smiles and the chime sounds...and his eyes pop open and he jumps up all excited and trots off saying "sorry....i gotta go" and then queue the commercial. but maybe thats just me.
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In reply to Zombie Jon Snow • 6:04p, 5/18/15
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As for me, I don't like ambiguity. I don't like the "choose whatever ending you want to believe" bullsquat.

I can stop short of needing to see Don pitch the Coke ad idea and blow away all of the McCann haters, but I want to know for sure if he went back to McCann in NYC or just fed the idea to Peggy.
yeah i agree mostly...actually i don't mind ambiguity as long as it is unambiguous...lol...what i mean is I don;t have to see Don in a montage going back to NY, pitching the idea, etc....for me if you just had exactly the same entire show up until he smiles and the chime sounds...and his eyes pop open and he jumps up all excited and trots off saying "sorry....i gotta go" and then queue the commercial. but maybe thats just me.

Sure. Something like that. Cue the commercial right after we know for sure that Don came up with the idea. Not as good as seeing the process and the pitch, but that would be good enough.
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In reply to Trident 88 • 6:15p, 5/18/15
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As for me, I don't like ambiguity. I don't like the "choose whatever ending you want to believe" bullsquat.

I can stop short of needing to see Don pitch the Coke ad idea and blow away all of the McCann haters, but I want to know for sure if he went back to McCann in NYC or just fed the idea to Peggy.
yeah i agree mostly...actually i don't mind ambiguity as long as it is unambiguous...lol...what i mean is I don;t have to see Don in a montage going back to NY, pitching the idea, etc....for me if you just had exactly the same entire show up until he smiles and the chime sounds...and his eyes pop open and he jumps up all excited and trots off saying "sorry....i gotta go" and then queue the commercial. but maybe thats just me.

Sure. Something like that. Cue the commercial right after we know for sure that Don came up with the idea. Not as good as seeing the process and the pitch, but that would be good enough.

I respect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree... Much more impactful this way.
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6:16p, 5/18/15
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People who want things spoon fed baffle me to no end.
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6:17p, 5/18/15
Hell I wanted it even more ambiguous. I liked the bus bench ending for a series ender.
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In reply to Trident 88 • 6:20p, 5/18/15
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If you don't like ambiguity I can only imagine your frustrations during the "next time on mad men" montages
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6:21p, 5/18/15
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Wasn't at all ambiguous to me. Actually seeing Don do his thing on Coke would have been anticlimactic for me.
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In reply to cecil77 • 6:22p, 5/18/15
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Wasn't at all ambiguous to me. Actually seeing on do his thing on Coke would have been anticlimactic for me.


No, that was Joan.
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6:33p, 5/18/15
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I agree that it was more impactful than watching him go back and make the pitch would've been, which it's obvious that he did
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In reply to cecil77 • 6:40p, 5/18/15
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Wasn't at all ambiguous to me. Actually seeing on do his thing on Coke would have been anticlimactic for me.


Agreed. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Its not ambigious.
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6:51p, 5/18/15
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You keep using this word ambiguous. Im not sure it means what you think it means.

The Sopranos ending was ambiguous. This ending was pretty damn clear. And I loved it.
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7:14p, 5/18/15
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Agree that it wasn't ambiguous

We knew McCann had coke

We knew don was on coke

Peggy mentioned coke

Don has a moment of clarity

Cut with an iconic coke add

That's not ambiguous.
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7:40p, 5/18/15
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As I originally said, we don't know if he rejoined McCann and pitched the idea himself or if he just fed the idea to Peggy.

I know what ambiguous means, and there's certainly a level of it here. If you prefer it that way, that's cool. I don't.
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7:41p, 5/18/15
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I don't know why some people are set on convincing themselves that he gave the idea to Peggy. I don't see that as a possibility. It's pretty obvious to me that he went back to McCann
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7:45p, 5/18/15
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I guess that depends on whether or not you think Don was motivated enough to rejoin the small army of creative types at McCann.
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In reply to Joan Wilder • 7:46p, 5/18/15
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You keep using this word ambiguous. Im not sure it means what you think it means.

The Sopranos ending was ambiguous. This ending was pretty damn clear. And I loved it.


Funny I did not think the sopranos was ambiguous at all and I loved it. I liked this too but thought it could have had just a little more reference. But I liked it too. I just had to kind of process it after for a while.
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In reply to ElephantRider • 7:49p, 5/18/15
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I don't know why some people are set on convincing themselves that he gave the idea to Peggy. I don't see that as a possibility. It's pretty obvious to me that he went back to McCann


Same here. That would mean Peggy rode the coat tails of an idea that wasn't hers, which is completely contrary to her character and talent. She got to her position on her own merits and this concept waters that down, which doesn't resonate with me.
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7:54p, 5/18/15
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Janie Bryant tweeted out the picture of the hippie with the red ribbons in her braids and the coke commercial girl with the comment "not a coincidence".

Seems pretty clear to me that Weiner was signaling that Don went back and created the ad. He's always found creative breakthroughs after emotional breakthroughs.
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