***** Official Houston Astros 2024-2025 Offseason Thread *****

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4:25p, 12/27/24
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Tip your cap. Thank Breggy for all he's done, and wish him well.

He's accomplished more than hundreds of other MLB players. It's a shame it didn't work out for him to come back, but I'm not going to be mad he is chasing the cash. I'd do the same in his position. At this point, it has to be more than about baseball.
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5:31p, 12/27/24
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Teoscar back to LA 3/66
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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In reply to Mr.Bond • 5:44p, 12/27/24
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Mr.Bond said:
Teoscar back to LA 3/66


Of course there's deferred money. Just rename the team to the luxury tax Dodgers
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 5:47p, 12/27/24
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EastCoastAgNc said:
Mr.Bond said:
Teoscar back to LA 3/66


Of course there's deferred money. Just rename the team to the luxury tax Dodgers


I'll gladly pay you later for a World Series today. - The ****ing Dodgers
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In reply to JDUB08AG • 5:57p, 12/27/24
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I don't feel an ounce of sympathy for Bregman. I know we all live in a totally different universe, but he turned down a guaranteed $160M with the organization that made him a star (4 WS appearances, 7 ALCS appearances, etc.)...I can't even begin to rationalize in my head turning that down. Totally his prerogative to chase a bigger deal, but this is the price you pay for greed.


I also reflect on how Altuve, clearly the superior player to Breggy and a Boras client, handled his extension. He quietly told his agent to get a deal done with the Astros. 'Tuve could've gotten more on the open market, but instead got a really good deal and will be able to finish his career in Houston. Breggy had a very similar choice and chose to hold out for top dollar, even as it now seems that the Astros offer was likely the best he would get. Sad, really.
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6:08p, 12/27/24
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Is no other team trying to do deferred money? It's getting ridiculous
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6:23p, 12/27/24
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I think it's mostly an LAD thing where players want to go there.

They get to play with a stacked team that can compete for a ring every year, and they get to play in LA. So they are willing to take the deferral to help the team get more than they actually can afford in terms of cash out and the CBT.

I think I saw that they have something like 1/2 of all deferred contracts.
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In reply to agproducer • 6:47p, 12/27/24
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agproducer said:
Tip your cap. Thank Breggy for all he's done, and wish him well.

He's accomplished more than hundreds of other MLB players. It's a shame it didn't work out for him to come back, but I'm not going to be mad he is chasing the cash. I'd do the same in his position. At this point, it has to be more than about baseball.

I'd personally still be willing to now offer that short contract option. 1-2/25 per year. Let him play here while he looks for options. It doesn't hurt us. Maybe he realizes next year playing in one place is worth it.


On your comment about you'd do the same thing, I just really don't think I would. I'd go the Altuve route, Get the max I can to make the team I helped build continue to be great. And go down in team history as one of the greats.
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6:48p, 12/27/24
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This BS deferred loop hole needs to be closed.
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In reply to Mathguy64 • 6:59p, 12/27/24
Mathguy64 said:
I think it's mostly an LAD thing where players want to go there.

They get to play with a stacked team that can compete for a ring every year, and they get to play in LA. So they are willing to take the deferral to help the team get more than they actually can afford in terms of cash out and the CBT.

I think I saw that they have something like 1/2 of all deferred contracts.
I noted this in a previous post, but the Dodgers caught lightning in a bottle with their RSN. The deal they got was huge ($200 M in rights per year) plus a guaranteed minimum additional distribution as a co-owner of the RSN. Their tv partner has to pay the Dodgers both fees regardless of the financial circumstances. No other team in MLB has this type of guaranteed money for the next 10+ years, nor anything close to the total dollars per year. And most other teams are receiving less from the RSN deals as of this year. It has given them an huge advantage for the next decade where many other teams are taking a significant haircut on their RSN rights fees. These deferred deals are really a loophole the Dodgers and only the Dodgers can exploit given their RSN deal.
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In reply to EastCoastAgNc • 7:58p, 12/27/24
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I'm probably one of the very few people who love Joe West.

When I was in radio, he came on my show and was the coolest guy ever. He called me the next day while he was having an airport beer to ask how it went and shot the **** with me for maybe a half hour.
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 7:59p, 12/27/24
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texasaggie2015 said:
I'm probably one of the very few people who love Joe West.

When I was in radio, he came on my show and was the coolest guy ever. He called me the next day while he was having an airport beer to ask how it went and shot the **** with me for maybe a half hour.


That's better than that one dude's story about pissing off Scott Servais with the first pitch. Or some such **** .
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In reply to iamtheglove • 8:09p, 12/27/24
iamtheglove said:
Mathguy64 said:
I think it's mostly an LAD thing where players want to go there.

They get to play with a stacked team that can compete for a ring every year, and they get to play in LA. So they are willing to take the deferral to help the team get more than they actually can afford in terms of cash out and the CBT.

I think I saw that they have something like 1/2 of all deferred contracts.
I noted this in a previous post, but the Dodgers caught lightning in a bottle with their RSN. The deal they got was huge ($200 M in rights per year) plus a guaranteed minimum additional distribution as a co-owner of the RSN. Their tv partner has to pay the Dodgers both fees regardless of the financial circumstances. No other team in MLB has this type of guaranteed money for the next 10+ years, nor anything close to the total dollars per year. And most other teams are receiving less from the RSN deals as of this year. It has given them an huge advantage for the next decade where many other teams are taking a significant haircut on their RSN rights fees. These deferred deals are really a loophole the Dodgers and only the Dodgers can exploit given their RSN deal.


There's an easy solution to the issue without even looking at their favorable TV position. Force deferred money to count toward AAV. LA should have to build their team around paying Ohtani $70M each year, same with the other deferred contracts. That would force them to pay an astronomical tax for essentially buying the trophy. It's ridiculous and for the life of me I cannot fathom why there's not more outrage about this.
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In reply to Jackal99 • 8:10p, 12/27/24
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Jackal99 said:
texasaggie2015 said:
I'm probably one of the very few people who love Joe West.

When I was in radio, he came on my show and was the coolest guy ever. He called me the next day while he was having an airport beer to ask how it went and shot the **** with me for maybe a half hour.


That's better than that one dude's story about pissing off Scott Servais with the first pitch. Or some such **** .

Sir, put some respect on his name….Porkchop is not just some dude
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8:17p, 12/27/24
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Deferred money not counting against a salary cap renders said cap useless.

I'm sure Manfred is getting ready to fix that

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In reply to BadAggie • 8:21p, 12/27/24
It does count, it is just at a discounted rate. Ohtani is costing LA $46M a year for luxury tax purposes (not $2M, which is his salary).
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8:36p, 12/27/24
Did you guys know Altuve got married at age 16? I had no clue. He's been married for almost 20 years, and he's only 34.
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In reply to Quo Vadis? • 8:48p, 12/27/24
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34-20=16?

That math ain't math'in

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In reply to Lonestar_Ag09 • 8:58p, 12/27/24
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agproducer said:
Tip your cap. Thank Breggy for all he's done, and wish him well.

He's accomplished more than hundreds of other MLB players. It's a shame it didn't work out for him to come back, but I'm not going to be mad he is chasing the cash. I'd do the same in his position. At this point, it has to be more than about baseball.

I'd personally still be willing to now offer that short contract option. 1-2/25 per year. Let him play here while he looks for options. It doesn't hurt us. Maybe he realizes next year playing in one place is worth it.


On your comment about you'd do the same thing, I just really don't think I would. I'd go the Altuve route, Get the max I can to make the team I helped build continue to be great. And go down in team history as one of the greats.



Not how crane operates.

Correa ended up taking a short term deal and everyone wondered why the Astros didn't match.

I guess Crane either wants more certainty in terms of years (but not too many years), or it's an ego thing where once a player declines it's over regardless of the changed terms

Crane seems to like 3-5 year deals
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9:29p, 12/27/24
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I thought the 53-man roster was used in football. It seems like the dodgers have signed everyone and their dog this offseason.

But hey, at least the dirty cheating Astros aren't doing it, amirite MLB?
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In reply to AggiEE • 10:12p, 12/27/24
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AggiEE said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
agproducer said:
Tip your cap. Thank Breggy for all he's done, and wish him well.

He's accomplished more than hundreds of other MLB players. It's a shame it didn't work out for him to come back, but I'm not going to be mad he is chasing the cash. I'd do the same in his position. At this point, it has to be more than about baseball.

I'd personally still be willing to now offer that short contract option. 1-2/25 per year. Let him play here while he looks for options. It doesn't hurt us. Maybe he realizes next year playing in one place is worth it.


On your comment about you'd do the same thing, I just really don't think I would. I'd go the Altuve route, Get the max I can to make the team I helped build continue to be great. And go down in team history as one of the greats.



Not how crane operates.

Correa ended up taking a short term deal and everyone wondered why the Astros didn't match.

I guess Crane either wants more certainty in terms of years (but not too many years), or it's an ego thing where once a player declines it's over regardless of the changed terms

Crane seems to like 3-5 year deals


2 year deal for Correa/Bregman? Nah

3 years for Montero or Abreu? Bring it on
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In reply to tjack16 • 12:16a, 12/28/24
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tjack16 said:
AggiEE said:
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
agproducer said:
Tip your cap. Thank Breggy for all he's done, and wish him well.

He's accomplished more than hundreds of other MLB players. It's a shame it didn't work out for him to come back, but I'm not going to be mad he is chasing the cash. I'd do the same in his position. At this point, it has to be more than about baseball.

I'd personally still be willing to now offer that short contract option. 1-2/25 per year. Let him play here while he looks for options. It doesn't hurt us. Maybe he realizes next year playing in one place is worth it.


On your comment about you'd do the same thing, I just really don't think I would. I'd go the Altuve route, Get the max I can to make the team I helped build continue to be great. And go down in team history as one of the greats.



Not how crane operates.

Correa ended up taking a short term deal and everyone wondered why the Astros didn't match.

I guess Crane either wants more certainty in terms of years (but not too many years), or it's an ego thing where once a player declines it's over regardless of the changed terms

Crane seems to like 3-5 year deals


2 year deal for Correa/Bregman? Nah

3 years for Montero or Abreu? Bring it on
C'mon, at the time Abreu was considered a big signing. Hindsight is 20/20 but let's not pretend people weren't ecstatic we signed a big name coming off an MVP season a couple of seasons before
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12:31a, 12/28/24
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Burnes to Arizona
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Meltdown to vegas
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Choke artists
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In reply to texasaggie2015 • 1:25a, 12/28/24
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The NL West and East are so stacked. 6 of the top 8(?) teams in baseball.
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In reply to redline248 • 1:34a, 12/28/24
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redline248 said:
Choke artists
I'm so used to it. Doesn't even faze me. I used to live and die with them but that ship sailed. Now Aggie baseball, that's a different kettle of fish.
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Burnes to Arizona



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