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Western States Draw Deadlines: 2017

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cupofjoe04
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Great stories, thanks for sharing. Sounds like y'all hunted hard and had a variety of cool encounters!
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Headed out this morning for my final archery elk hunt of the year. Was raining off and on, and not much was moving. Heard a bugle way down the canyon, from exactly where I know these elk to bed up, which sadly is on private land. Got as close as I could to them, but they were moving away and I had no shot at catching up. Took some time to do some scouting/learning for next year while I was out there, then got tired of being wet and cold.

Called a friend who has a bear tag and asked if he wanted to go try for a bear real quick. We met up and headed to check my doe carcass from yesterday. On approach, I could see that it had been moved about 15-20 feet downhill. So, we crept in quietly to check things out. No bear in sight, but you could tell at least one had been there. The tracks were a mess, but pretty apparent due to all the rain. There was one set there were pretty big, so I began to follow them. Within feet we came across a huge pile of crap, VERY fresh. I continued to do my best to follow the tracks. I'm not sure how far we went exactly, as we were creeping VERY slowly, painfully aware of what we were potentially tracking.

After a long while, losing tracks in grass a couple times and picking them back up, I was easing up on a corner made by a rock bluff when I heard something on the other side. It didn't sound like a twig being stepped on, more like a bone breaking. I eased around the corner, and there was a tremendous mound of brown fur about 30 yards in front of me! The bear picked his head up, and he was snacking on a deer leg (not from my kill). I guess that was the crunching I heard.

I backed up slowly, and motioned my compadre, who propped on the rock and let fly some lead @ 30 yards. Immediately dispatched, but the stupid bear was on a steep slope and rolled about 75 yards down the very slippery hill. Just HAD to make our hike out that much harder. He was a touch over 6' nose to tail stretched out, and had to be 300 lbs. The pics don't really capture just how THICK this bear was, he was solid front to back. HUGE block head on him, and a thick neck. Interesting to see what the teeth will come back as age wise, we are guessing 10+ maybe.

So, all in all thats 4 different species in 7 days that I have been in on (5 if you count those feathered mountaintop snacks, ha ah). Oh, and we found 2 different bullets in this bear when we shot it, both were small caliber (.380 is my guess) shot in the legs (one front, one back) which just lodged in his fat. Could find no evidence of damage to muscle or bone. I'm guessing this bear has spent some time in the neighborhoods... he was WAY to fat to have just been eating out in the forrest this year.



these claws are just terrifying... I should have gotten a pic of the teeth, easily bigger around than my thumb, and left side was worn WAY down.



The gunman


And the pack mule


Maverick06
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You've had a heck of a year so far!
Sean98
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Well done.
cupofjoe04
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Warden came and sealed the bear. Said the teeth likely put him at 10-15 years old, he guessed on the upper end of that range at least (maybe more).

Interestingly, the bullets were 8mm. Maybe a .32-250 or something. But one looked like it was definitely a round nose that tumbled, so I'm guessing probably out of a cheap pocket pistol or something. My guess is a .32 ACP or some other sort of purse gun.

In any case, I will NOT be shooting a bear with a .32... Almost makes me rethink my 9mm as well- ah, thats fodder for another thread though. Anyone have a Redhawk Alaskan laying around they don't want anymore??? ha ha
BradMtn346
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Nice job! Tracking a bear is tough. Impressive!
cupofjoe04
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Well, the rain does make it easier. After a while we were just picking up partials here and there, and then we would get a full print in a mud hole or something. He was staying pretty much on a trail, so that helped tremendously.

Here are the chompers. Ide say he favored that left side, ha ha
BradMtn346
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Definitely an older bear. Good job!
AggieGunslinger
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Great write up.
Lungblood
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Heart breaking end to an otherwise great hunt. Kinda numb at this point and driving thru NM isn't helping. I'll air out The good, bad and ugly tonite or tomorrow. Congrats to all the killers.
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AgEng06
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Hang in there, man.
Sean98
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Even in Kansas the GD elk taunt me!

It's 90*+ with a near 100* head index so I said F a bunch of deer hunting and found something else to do. I recently got permission to hunt a new piece of ground and it's not too promising on the deer front, but it's holding some dove and turkeys and has a nice pond on it. So I decided to load up the dogs, grab a shotgun and a couple of rods and try to multi-task.

When I got there I saw dove landing in a fallow ag field and decided to do a little dove hunting "upland style." I walked 'em up, even got a few short points from the dogs and ended up shooting 8 dove. Then I picked up the rods and started tossing a spinner bait. Caught a good number of crappie and bluegill before Puppy Charlie initiates a raccoon fight... Jeez, here we go again. By the time I can get around to the far side of the pond the noise is just awful. The sound of a dog and raccoon fighting is tough to describe. But all goes quiet as Charlie finishes the fight. He seems to not be too torn up. Okay, back to fishing and the light is fading. I start catching bass, a ton of them, all about 3/4-1#. Nothing big, but good fun on an ultralight rod. ...as I'm watching the setting sun, seeing fish start to feed on top off in the distance I hear an elk. What the...?? Oh, that's right there's a high fence place about a half mile down the road. For the last 20 minutes of light I catch little bass and listen to elk taunt me in the distance. ...whaddya know I actually got to HEAR an elk and I didn't have to waste $1000 or 2 weeks of my life to hear it.

TL;DnR: Caught a lot of little fish, shot a half limit of dove, listened to elk bugle, saw a pretty sunset. Good Night.
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I was going to say something smart, but I'm honestly starting to feel bad for you. I think it haunts you more than you want to admit.

I really think you should give it another go.
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2036 bob marshall Texags backpack hunt
AgLA06
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shaynew1 said:

2036 bob marshall Texags backpack hunt


Doing some quick math, I'm guessing the Bob isn't kind to hunters in their 50s. Hell, Colorado is hard enough now.
shaynew1
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Perhaps but I'm counting on advancements in medicine and ease of access to that GH. Fifty will be the new 20
Sean98
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I'll be (dead) 60.
shaynew1
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We'll get you some pack llamas or some ****
Sean98
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Hell yeah it does. It was single handedly the most disappointing hunting experience of my 40 years on this Earth. I've had a lot of unsuccessful hunts but only a couple that were absolutely nothing like what I expected the hunt to be. This was the ultimate disappointment.
Sean98
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I'd prefer llamas to **** thank you.
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We can probably just come up here to Pagosa and shoot elk off of someone's porch... if we are old and crotchety enough, no one will harass us about it.

Now, to just pool our money and buy a porch...
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So maybe this isn't the place for it but I am gearing up for my first western hunt next fall, and have a shelter question.What is everyone using? We are planning on basically hunting out of the truck, as in spending each night back at the truck unless we are on the wapiti. What are y'all using for shelter, my brother wants to look at hammocks, but I seem to get a negative impression from the guys at Rokslide, on the other hand I don't want to sleep on sloping ground all night if we go the tarp route. I realize where we end up will be the ultimate deciding factor but I am just looking some basic suggestions. I would like what ever we decide on to be able to go in our packs just in case we get on the Elk and don't want to go back to the truck for the night. We will be rifle hunting.

The hunt was supposed to be this year but then my Jackass brother knocked his wife up with twins that are due this Friday. Pour one out for my brother who will have 3 girls under 3. Anyway we took the points this year and are postponing the hunt until next year, so we have time but I am wanting to get ideas so I have time to find used/sale gear so I don't pay retail.

I appreciate the suggestions.
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Just trying to understand your use case.

You plan on packing a shelter and food for 2+ days each time you go out (daypack)? Main camp at the truck and then the ability to bivy at any spot. Or is your plan to come back to the truck, grab the stuff, then go back out?

Tarps are light and small. Can carry a small piece of sil-poly to use as a mat to avoid water, but if it's rifle season might be more snow than rain. "Jimmy tarps" seem to be pretty good and affordable...Lots of options on lightweight backpacking tents. If you're set on being out for a few days, a decent tent is nice. I have a hammock setup, and with straps, carabiner, etc it's not much lighter than my 1p tent and for sure not lighter than splitting a light 2p (like big agnes seedhouse). I also found a hammock to be colder and not nearly as comfortable.
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I don't have any experience hunting in the mountains (yet!) as I'm doing my first Elk hunt this November.

However, I have an old surplus tent (like this one ). It's not super lightweight, but it packs up easily, it's cheap, and can be strapped to a pack. It may work for your uses.

I also have a 10' x 12' lightweight tarp that weighs less than a pound, and I can get real creative with whatever shapes I wanna make.
Charismatic Megafauna
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Yeah sounds like you're planning to do a hybrid of what most people do, and I'm not sure I think I'd do it. Usually you either base camp near truck (or a decent pack in) and day hike, or straight backpack hunt. Sounds like you're trying to base camp near truck and ultralightweight bivy hunt. Unless you've bivvied in the mountains a couple times and are sure you're game I am pretty sure it will suck. Mainly a cold camp (no fire/stove) is rough on the morale in the mountains. Just an extra 5 pounds of gear (fleece pants, puffy jacket, thermarest, tarp, food) is gonna slow you down enough that I'd say you're better off backing off the herd going back to base camp and getting a good meal and rest then going back early.

That said, I always have a golite (mytrail now) poncho/tarp, space blanket, energy bars/gels and iodine tablets in my day pack and I'm confident I can (and have) spend the night in the mountains in most conditions with just this gear. You don't wake up in the morning bright eyed and bushy tailed though.

Since you sound gung ho on getting way back in the sticks I'd recommend planning for a base camp with a night or two of lightweight backpack hunting (i.e. with stove and sleeping bag!) if there are valleys you want to get into that are a bit far from the truck, but remember that it takes 3-4 round trips to carry a boned-out elk (depending whether you bring the head or not), so if you each pop one 5 miles from the truck you are hiking another 30-40 heavily loaded miles before it's over. But it's worth it!
AgLA06
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The reality is everyone has their own preference. You just don't know it until you try out the various options. Do lots of research not only on western hunting site, but also backpacking sites.

I personally see the appeal of hammock and tarps, but the majority of my western hunting is during rifle season and I'm more concerned with comfort if I need to ride out a blizzard than anything. Having experienced a simple front blowing in, I feel much better about a lightweight tent with a floor. Just remember, most light weight tents are like gun safes. Whatever capacity / person they say is only valid if you only spend time sleeping in it. I'd go claustrophobic in something less than a 3 man if riding out weather for more than a couple of hours.

Ultimately for me and my intended uses my priorities are :

double walled, double vestibule, stands up to snow and wind, lightweight, quick set up or take down, provides a little more room than most lightweight tent.

So far the tarptent 3 and 4 man tents seem to be the best compromise for me. I plan to save up and buy one next year to complete my gear to be able to go anywhere and have a hunt anywhere capability.

https://www.tarptent.com/hogback.html

If I did more summer scouting or early season hunts, my preference would probably be different.
Sean98
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So that is a 4.2# 4 man tent?
AgLA06
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Yes.

So sleeps 2-3 comfortably with room in the vestibules for gear.

I've read really good things about them. I actually like their 3 man tents as well.
stdeb11
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I can't imagine 4 guys eating mountain houses sharing a tent....better have some damn good ventilation
AgLA06
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There's people that do so. To me, that's a light weight tent that might actually be comfortable for 2 hunters. Which is exactly what I'm looking for.
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Starting the trek to Wyoming tomorrow evening with a good buddy of mine. Hunting private land outside of Douglas. With any luck, we'll be headed back in a week with a couple of nice speed goats.
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AgEng06
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Awesome report. That really sucks about your muzzle loader though.

And I'm gonna have to disagree with you here:
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The last pic was taken through a spotting scope, bull was a little to far away to go after.
Unless that bull was already on private property, there isn't a distance that would keep me from going after him...
 
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