Anti-taxxer said:

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doubledog said:

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BQ78 said:

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Woah, FBI standards they are. Why not have the actual FBI do the testing?

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Just a guess ....
There may be very very tiny hair samples in/on the glove. If there are they may need to use some specialize instruments.

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So special that the FBI doesn't have them; they only belong to women-owned facilities?

You serious, Clark?

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"Where culture matters"

Widely known that the FBI got rid of DEI which mean the double-ended penetrating instruments were all sent to Subaru dealerships and labs in Florida.

Burdizzo said:

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YouBet said:

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To catch me up:

- New notes and new evidence but nothing more than that.
- Someone made a sketch of supposed kidnapper.
- Mark Kelly injects himself into investigation because he's buddies with the Sheriff who is a Democrat fighting with Trump's FBI.

Does this get me up to date?

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And she is still missing

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just the body at this point I'm afraid

Q: "Do you think the cartels are at all involved in the Nancy Guthrie case or another nation-state?"

TRUMP: "You can't say that yet. It's a little bit early. Somebody either knew what they were doing very well or they were rank amateurs. Either way, it's not a good situation." pic.twitter.com/f1R35rZpFj

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 13, 2026

My opinion as well. There's two options. Complete idiots or so good at what they do they could frame it to look like idiots and not get caught. Question remains, why?

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home invasion gone wrong

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she dead

I don't know what to think anymore

If they were idiots they'd be caught by now. Seems like it'd be so hard to last this long and have everyone clueless if you were an idiot.

On the other hand maybe they are idiots and the LEOs handling this are just bigger idiots which is completely within the realm of possibility.

Who knows

Please take this story outback and end it. This is a clown show

So yesterday they said a glove was found INSIDE the home and the argument was between sending the glove to Florida vs the FBI lab to check for DNA…yet, now they are saying they did NOT find a glove inside the house…but might have other DNA found inside the house…hard to keep up!

DG-Ag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Q: "Do you think the cartels are at all involved in the Nancy Guthrie case or another nation-state?"

TRUMP: "You can't say that yet. It's a little bit early. Somebody either knew what they were doing very well or they were rank amateurs. Either way, it's not a good situation." pic.twitter.com/f1R35rZpFj

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 13, 2026

My opinion as well. There's two options. Complete idiots or so good at what they do they could frame it to look like idiots and not get caught. Question remains, why?

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I lean towards idiots. Kidnapping or home invasion gone wrong. Nancy died soon after they entered the house. The body has been dumped somewhere. The guy on the video looks like a real amateur. Their idiocy is only surpassed by that of Tucson police.

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The only hiccup in the "she died in the house" theory is that she had a pacemaker that was connected to her apple watch. If she had died while in the house, I would think they would have much more evidence of that in messages sent by her pacemaker to the watch. If it simply disconnected when she was taken out of range, it suggests she at least survived leaving the house.

The sad fact is that this thing was so bungled from the start that it makes it extremely difficult for any real evidence to have been collected. But the continued bungling will turn this thing into a political issue where the different agencies point fingers at each other and political opportunists will seize the moment.

I think brain bleed from being roughed up when they were trying to take her - a little show of force to get compliance but it's an old woman on blood thinners. Doesn't die at the scene but is dead within 12 hours. Dumped in the desert while they try to figure out a way to get paid anyway. The killer will not be caught unless this somehow ends up tied back to the SIL, but I don't think it does.

Cops brought in pool cleaners to search the pool.

DG-Ag said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Q: "Do you think the cartels are at all involved in the Nancy Guthrie case or another nation-state?"

TRUMP: "You can't say that yet. It's a little bit early. Somebody either knew what they were doing very well or they were rank amateurs. Either way, it's not a good situation." pic.twitter.com/f1R35rZpFj

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) February 13, 2026

My opinion as well. There's two options. Complete idiots or so good at what they do they could frame it to look like idiots and not get caught. Question remains, why?

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I lean towards idiots. Kidnapping or home invasion gone wrong. Nancy died soon after they entered the house. The body has been dumped somewhere. The guy on the video looks like a real amateur. Their idiocy is only surpassed by that of Tucson police.

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I agree with your comments on the idiocy of the guy on the video and the police. But I don't think she died in her house. If so, I would figure they would leave her body there. My guess is that she died not long after they abducted her and then had a body they had to get rid of.

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I think brain bleed from being roughed up when they were trying to take her - a little show of force to get compliance but it's an old woman on blood thinners. Doesn't die at the scene but is dead within 12 hours. Dumped in the desert while they try to figure out a way to get paid anyway. The killer will not be caught unless this somehow ends up tied back to the SIL, but I don't think it does.

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This is where I'm at, they spirited her out of there but something happened and at that point, they made the decision to dump. If it was the SIL, I think they would have gotten to that by now, but hard to tell since they are obviously parsing out info and some of it may be false. Don't have very much confidence in Deputy Dawg and staff. No body, no conviction and plenty of cloudy evidence.

The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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Cops brought in pool cleaners to search the pool.

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Just now? If so is this the first (possible) murder they've ever investigated?

Granted there's been intense scrutiny but wouldn't the home and perimeter be turned upside down on Day 1, or at least 2? This would likely include things like the rooftop and pool, one would assume.

This increasingly has a Fargo - ish vibe…

Next thing they will be checking for UFOs in the area…

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This increasingly has a Fargo - ish vibe…

Next thing they will be checking for UFOs in the area…

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Surely Mark Kelly can set us all straight.

Did they solve this mystery yet?

usmcbrooks said:

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The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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I missed this. What did he say/do?

DG-Ag said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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I missed this. What did he say/do?

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I also don't see anything that could be construed as political. Possible jurisdictional disputes, maybe.

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usmcbrooks said:

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The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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I missed this. What did he say/do?

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Pure conjecture - but he didn't ask the FBI for help for 3-4 days, possibly on the advice of Mark Kelly.
Both the sherriff and Sen.Kelly are anti-Trump, and neither party would want to give Trump's FBI any credit. Problematic, because, the cops have appeared incompetent, and the first 48 hours are often the critical ones (per most documentaries I've watched)

We found a glove inside Nancy's home.
We have a pair of gloves.
We have numerous gloves.
We have no glove.
We never found a glove on that property.

BREAKING: I just did a wide ranging interview with Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos about a lot of topics. Here are some highlights.

Nanos tells FOX that his office did NOT find a glove at Nancy’s home. “We have no glove.  We never found a glove on that property.”  

Nanos…

— Matt Finn (@MattFinnFNC) February 13, 2026

Full interview by Fox News

BREAKING: I just did a wide ranging interview with Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos about a lot of topics. Here are some highlights.

Nanos tells FOX that his office did NOT find a glove at Nancy's home. "We have no glove. We never found a glove on that property."

Nanos claims his office has been using the same contracted private lab for decades, long before he was in office. He says his office started sending the Guthrie evidence to this lab from the start and that the GUTHRIE FAMILY DNA and OTHER DNA SWABS are there too so it makes sense to keep sending the incoming evidence there so that the lab can immediately run the new evidence against what is already in house. Nanos claims the FBI was on board with this. He says why split evidence between the private lab and Quantico. "We trust the FBI's crime lab, we've used them before, but in this case we started with that lab. It's just that simple."

Nanos claims he is working together WELL WITH THE FBI, claims he would have NO REASON not to seek their help and partnership. "Absolutely crazy," that he wouldn't use their partnerships.

Nanos claims he called the FBI the next working day, the Monday after Nancy went missing. He shoots down claims he was reluctant to include the FBI and says for example they quickly let the FBI take the lead on the ransom notes because the FBI is better at that with their technology.

On the ransom notes and their legitimacy, he says the FBI is the expert on that. He can't comment.

On whether this is a kidnapping or something else he says "we believe it's a kidnapping" but you "always consider all possibilities."

The sheriff said in a local news interview that they found a few different gloves in the area. Some miles away. On this topic, he told Fox that they are not necessarily prioritizing every glove for example they're getting calls of gloves in Phoenix a long ways away. (So news of every glove that's found may not be critical.)

"Nobody is ever really eliminated" when asked if anyone has been ruled out.

Nanos says the Rio Rico, AZ man who was briefly detained the other night is a delivery person who was "in the area" of Nancy's house. "More than one" issue lead Sheriff to the Rio Rico man. After talking, the Sheriff feels satisfied with his alibi.

Nanos will not confirm to FOX if there was forced entry at Nancy's house or whether the front or back door was used.

Nanos says Nancy's blood was found outside her home, and Nancy's DNA was recovered inside but he can't confirm the DNA inside is blood.

On the criticism that the Sheriff's office released the Nancy Guthrie crime scene house too soon. Opened it up too quick. Says "it's not true." They got what they needed. I asked him if they should have cleaned up the blood out of sanctity and he said it's not their role. Said it's a slap on his team to say they left too soon. Also says the DEPUTY CARS out front NOW are at request of the family for safety it's not that the Sheriff signaling they left too soon.

On allegations that family members are involved. "The family has been fully, 100% completely, whatever we asked for they've done." "It was getting crazy out there with allegations about the family." "You can't accuse people of a horrific crime like that and not have any facts behind it.' (But in the same interview he does say no one is really ever ruled out. As of today.)

Nanos has talked to Savannah Guthrie. He says they've talked and texted but she doesn't need to talk to the Sheriff. She has people. "The whole family has my number."

On reports and previous incidents that suggest Nanos doesn't have a good relationship with the FBI: "You google what you google. You read what you read. I've got no response. I've always had a good relationship with the FBI. They're a good team. They're good people."

TMZ says another email has arrived from the same person claiming to know who is responsible for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapping. They say he now wants $100,000 and is contacting them because he doesn’t trust law enforcement.

— Brian Entin (@BrianEntin) February 13, 2026

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Savannah Guthrie reportedly told the under fire sheriff investigating the abduction of her mother that she 'doesn't need him'.

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos, who has come under flak over the investigation, told Fox News that he had talked and texted Savannah who responded that 'she has her own people and didn't need him'.

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Looks like Savannah is fed up with Nanos and is done with him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15558819/Savannah-Guthrie-DISMISSES-bungling-sheriff-missing-mom.html

nomad2007 said:

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DG-Ag said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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I missed this. What did he say/do?

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I also don't see anything that could be construed as political. Possible jurisdictional disputes, maybe.

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There are no jurisdictional issues when it comes to law enforcement and the FBI. Every jurisdiction is theirs as soon as they say so.

I'm confused as to why they haven't told Pima county to move aside yet. ???

Two questions:

1. As far I know, the FBI lab doesn't charge. Why pay for the private lab.
2. Arizona doesn't have a state run lab like DPS does here?

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nomad2007 said:

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DG-Ag said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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The truly sad thing is the sheriff had to bring politics into it.

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I missed this. What did he say/do?

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I also don't see anything that could be construed as political. Possible jurisdictional disputes, maybe.

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There are no jurisdictional issues when it comes to law enforcement and the FBI. Every jurisdiction is theirs as soon as they say so.

I'm confused as to why they haven't told Pima county to move aside yet. ???

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I've already explained this once maybe twice, but here we go again. Under U.S. law, state and local law enforcement agencies are not subordinate to the FBI and operate as separate, sovereign entities rather than under federal supervision. While the FBI frequently collaborates with local police on joint task forces, they do not automatically take over local crimes. The FBI cannot take complete control of the Nancy Guthrie investigation from the Pima County Sheriff's Department primarily because the case is being treated as a local crime with no immediate, confirmed proof of federal jurisdiction such as crossing state lines.

https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/if-a-crime-is-committed-that-is-a-violation-of-local-state-and-federal-laws-does-the-fbi-take-over-the-investigation