United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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Pumpkinhead said:

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He's down south by now, no way he went to Canada as some have suggested. He's likely in Georgia or Bama possibly Florida and in a few days the shine wears off this story and he's DB Cooper. Then the left can go back to defending Biden's stupid decisions going out the door


Zero Chance he DB Cooper's a get away. This is 2024. They got a face and all the facial recognition technology. They got DNA and that genealogy DNA tracing where they find you through a cousin 4th removed, or great uncle, that is slow to get done but they now have lots of successes cracking cold cases. The dummy left a cell phone. They got a rare gun type that is easier to trace. Look how fast they are already rolling up from where and when he got into town, where he stayed, how he left, etc.




Boy you seem awfully confident that the media has fed you one thing that's factually true.


Guess we'll find out but based on what I've seen they are clueless including law enforcement. If they truly had a usable DNA sample it doesn't take days to get a result. Since 2017 the FBI has had "Rapid DNA" technology, which can produce a DNA profile in less than two hours. In 24 hrs they can scan every database on the planet. I'm well aware of what year it is. The DB Cooper reference was just an inference that he's gone and likely won't be found.
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I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?
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He'll be found and it won't be some grand professional hit job. Just a disgruntled person.

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Mark Stoops said:

I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?
I would say the hired hit theory makes more sense if trying to silence a whistleblower.
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Coppell97 said:

Mark Stoops said:

I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?
I would say the hired hit theory makes more sense if trying to silence a whistleblower.


So you think it was actually related to the insider trading stuff?
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Too many loose ends and unanswered questions in regards to the target and how this supposed lone gunman knew where the target would be, why his personal security was absent. His itinerary was not public. Hasn't been said how the target was getting around NYC. Most companies that size hire a town car at a minimum.
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His hotel was across the street from where the conference was held. Thompson just walked he didn't need a town car.
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Mark Stoops said:

I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?


What if it was a hitman's family member that was denied a claim?
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Mark Stoops said:

I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?
How much do you consider to be a lot of money? It would also depend on the target. Finding someone to kill the POTUS, or a governor or senator, would likely be pricey, but finding someone to pop a guy walking down a city street, without any security, I bet could be had at not a lot of cost. He may have been prominent as to his job title, but he was just another warm body on a city street when he got killed.

Had a relative involved in a murder for hire case (not in the hit part of it) and the cost was $1,500, though it was long ago.
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Gig em G said:

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They know who he is.


They may, which does make me think about the poster that said whether it's even in United Healthcare's best interest that this guy is arrested and taken to court.

This shooting has gotten more coverage than UHC ever provided
This shooting is on the verge of getting more coverage than the Trump assassination attempts. Think about that.
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Mark Stoops said:

I'm going to ask something here that I feel needs to be asked. For those who are in the camp this is a hired gun, he was presumably hired by someone who was denied a claim(s) by UH that was financially devastating.

I don't know if y'all know this, but it costs a lot of money to hire a hitman. And would cost SIGNIFICANTLY more to take out a target of this individual's prominence, to the extent it's even available. Like a lot more. So this supposed individual can't afford out of pocket care for something serious but they CAN afford a hitman to take out the CEO of one of the largest healthcare insurers in the US?

How do you square this circle?


The perSon who has enough money to hire a good assassin would have paid for medical directly for a loved one, than hired an attorney to sue the insurance company.

And a personal grievance for loss doesn't get resolved by someone else pulling the trigger.

If the shooter was hired it was for covering up another crime like the insider trading or a lovers issue with the wife.
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This guys full of ****
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Antifa types are hiding him or killed him. I thought it was a professional hit but the picture and backpack found makes believe it was not.
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I don't believe this guy screwed up and showed his face. I'm not sure what I believe but I don't think that's the guy.
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bam02 said:

I don't believe this guy screwed up and showed his face. I'm not sure what I believe but I don't think that's the guy.


Cops traced his steps and know he took a bus back to Atlanta after the murder. They know what he looks like. NYPD has been working with Atlanta PD since yesterday.
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OK, but that still doesn't necessarily connect all the dots with 100% certainty. Maybe they trace the guy who showed his face at the hostel back to Atlanta. Doesn't mean it's the same guy.
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bonfarr said:

bam02 said:

I don't believe this guy screwed up and showed his face. I'm not sure what I believe but I don't think that's the guy.


Cops traced his steps and know he took a bus back to Atlanta after the murder. They know what he looks like. NYPD has been working with Atlanta PD since yesterday.
Where have you seen this? All I've seen is that they suspect he took a bus out of the city.
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https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-murder-live-updates

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My spidey senses are saying the obvious clue left at the scene is too obvious for a reason. I think it's a ruse to throw off the motive, making everyone think it's related to a disgruntled consumer or relative of a consumer that was unhappy with their handling of a claim or lack there of. It just seems too conveniently obvious. I think he may have been killed for something completely unrelated to insurance and the shooter wanted the motivation aimed at insurance
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Anyone else perplexed by the killer's choice of weapon? If you wanted to get the job done why would you use a pistol that requires you to rack the slide to chamber a round each time you fire? The rumors say this was a replica of a WWII spy pistol and was likely purchased in Connecticut not long before the shooting. If true he must have had accomplices in NYC that provided him the weapon and the e-bike because he didn't bring the bike with him on the bus. Could he have traveled to NYC on a bus before Thanksgiving then traveled to Conn to buy the gun, scout the area and determine his escape route, then steal and stash an e-bike? Seems far fetched that he could do all of that alone and have intel on the CEO's schedule unless he had some help.
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You would think that just one of the millions of people who are convinced that greed is the only thing preventing a more compassionate insurance company would start one and provide that product. And even if they only make 1/10 the profit of what the current greedy ones make, they'd still likely be very rich and would corner the market as well with their excellent product. They could then use this to offer better pay for their employees as well (since they're not greedy and definitely wouldn't want to keep the money themselves). It's a win/win/win/win. Better coverage for people/better health care/better jobs/professional success and a sense of making the world a better place. And yet no one does. I wonder why that is?
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There are a lot of articles about the most popular conspiracy theories from JFK was CIA job to moon landings faked to Sept 11 was Israel/CIA to earth is flat (is long term government and media hoax that is is a sphere) to Princess Diana was murdered by the royal family to COVID was the drug companies on purpose so could make billions on vaccines and on and on.

And just reading theories on this site on something relatively small like this, I realize there are many posters hanging around here who probably believe most of those conspiracies.
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His goofy ass gun, the writing, and the amount of **** he's left behind says loon who tried to cover his tracks but is failing. He'll turn up
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He had plenty of time to do all of that in the 10 days leading up to the shooting. Heck, he could have done all of that in 1 day.
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akaggie05 said:

He had plenty of time to do all of that in the 10 days leading up to the shooting. Heck, he could have done all of that in 1 day.


In Conn you can't purchase a handgun if you live out of state. If he traveled from NYC to Conn to buy it what ID did he use and how did it pass background check?
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We don't even know yet if the motive was something as ordinary as the estranged wife wanted him killed. Or perhaps an ex-employee. Nothing to do with some denied insurance claim.
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bonfarr said:

akaggie05 said:

He had plenty of time to do all of that in the 10 days leading up to the shooting. Heck, he could have done all of that in 1 day.


In Conn you can't purchase a handgun if you live out of state. If he traveled from NYC to Conn to buy it what ID did he use and how did it pass background check?


Recent law enforcement reports saying they think it may have been a veterinary gun used on farms and ranches to put large animals down. It is based on the same design as that WW2 weapon that has been mentioned. Designed to be used close up and be relatively quiet. I wonder what the difficulty would have been to get his hands on one of those veterinary guns. What if it was as simple as this guy grew up on a farm or ranch that had one.
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The cops have the weapon right? Any photos of it out there?
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bonfarr said:

The cops have the weapon right? Any photos of it out there?


Think they are still working solely off the video of the gun being used but reports as of a few hours ago are that investigators are looking into whether it was a veterinary gun as described in my last post.
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I would say the hired hit theory makes more sense if trying to silence a whistleblower.
My son in law is a Surgery Technician at a hospital with a Level II trauma center. He is very opinionated about the state of healthcare today, believing it's more about profit than the needs of the patient.

He firmly believes this was an inside hit...that quite possibly he was about to talk to the Feds and name names.

Not saying he is or is not a conspiracy nut, but thought it was interesting coming from someone who has been in healthcare for 15 years.

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Pumpkinhead said:

bonfarr said:

akaggie05 said:

He had plenty of time to do all of that in the 10 days leading up to the shooting. Heck, he could have done all of that in 1 day.


In Conn you can't purchase a handgun if you live out of state. If he traveled from NYC to Conn to buy it what ID did he use and how did it pass background check?


Recent law enforcement reports saying they think it may have been a veterinary gun used on farms and ranches to put large animals down. It is based on the same design as that WW2 weapon that has been mentioned. Designed to be used close up and be relatively quiet. I wonder what the difficulty would have been to get his hands on one of those veterinary guns. What if it was as simple as this guy grew up on a farm or ranch that had one.



Weren't the casings 9mm?

While I admittedly don't know, that strikes me as an unlikely choice for putting down large animals. There's nothing special about 9mm's stopping power.
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JCA1 said:

Pumpkinhead said:

bonfarr said:

akaggie05 said:

He had plenty of time to do all of that in the 10 days leading up to the shooting. Heck, he could have done all of that in 1 day.


In Conn you can't purchase a handgun if you live out of state. If he traveled from NYC to Conn to buy it what ID did he use and how did it pass background check?


Recent law enforcement reports saying they think it may have been a veterinary gun used on farms and ranches to put large animals down. It is based on the same design as that WW2 weapon that has been mentioned. Designed to be used close up and be relatively quiet. I wonder what the difficulty would have been to get his hands on one of those veterinary guns. What if it was as simple as this guy grew up on a farm or ranch that had one.



Weren't the casings 9mm?

While I admittedly don't know, that strikes me as an unlikely choice for putting down large animals. There's nothing special about 9mm's stopping power.


https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/5qtupa/bt_veterinary_pistol_vp9_firing_ejection_and_db/

Example Reddit thread in 2017 discussing welrod design vet pistol and Gif of firing one.
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bonfarr said:

His hotel was across the street from where the conference was held. Thompson just walked he didn't need a town car.
He still should have had someone walking with him.
 
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