United Healthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
Obviously nothing justifies this...would just find the shooting less sprurising if something like that turned out to be the case.
There are definitely things that justify this, even if they don't make it legal. Not saying those things exist in this scenario, but they do exist.
can you really blame people for not having sympathy for these clowns. They deny people insurance all the time but sure as **** won't refund premiums


I feel about as I would had the boss of a large crime family been gunned down, honestly.

They are pretty damn close to the same thing, but are way more powerful with the lobby on K street.


They are way more dangerous than an Italian mafia family.
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shades of the line from the Dark Knight Rises:

"you're all gonna wonder...how you ever thought you could live so large...and leave so little for the rest of us"
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Dicer said:




That's wild and bad but really cool
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Muy said:

BadMoonRisin said:

Dicer said:

chickencoupe16 said:

William Foster said:

TheEternalOptimist said:

aTm2004 said:

BigRobSA said:

Psycho Bunny said:

Imagine ruining your life and your family's life just to kill a CEO. That's really sticking it to the man. Only for the company to put a new CEO in its place, who might just be worse than the previous CEO.

Now you are in jail for murder and the CEOs wife can now sue your family for damages. Not that CEOs wife will ever see any money? The fact that your family's life is now ruined

Hope those three day old sandwiches, you'll be eating while sitting in jail was worth it.


Scenario:

I pay my premium for myself and my 6yo son. I never miss a payment and go to in network providers, etc, etc. My son gets diagnosed with something normally covered and, because reasons, he gets denied care and dies.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine while I reminisce about how the scum sucking CEO is 6 fee under.
Or a second scenario:

You pay your premiums and you never miss a payment, go to in network providers, etc. You're diagnosed with a terminal illness and there is a new treatment that is showing promise that is curing and/or extending the life of those with the treatment, but because of reasons, your insurance provider denies it and you just had your last Thanksgiving.

Those 3 day old sandwiches will taste just fine for the months you have left while you laugh about that scum sucking CEO beating you to the dirt.

A man with a grudge who knows his life is ending soon and has nothing to lose is very dangerous. I'm honestly shocked it hasn't happened before.
Scenario is still immoral response to a questionably immoral situation. The CEO does not have %100 knowledge and understanding of every single denial or insurance dispute.

I was rejected for a treatment for my severe illness by Aetna. I did not ever think of murder. Not even once.
Obviously nothing justifies this...would just find the shooting less sprurising if something like that turned out to be the case.
There are definitely things that justify this, even if they don't make it legal. Not saying those things exist in this scenario, but they do exist.
can you really blame people for not having sympathy for these clowns. They deny people insurance all the time but sure as **** won't refund premiums


I feel about as I would had the boss of a large crime family been gunned down, honestly.

They are pretty damn close to the same thing, but are way more powerful with the lobby on K street.


They are way more dangerous than an Italian mafia family.


Undoubtedly they kill far more
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Wife was in house counsel for a small regional medical provider. United Healthcare was the worst. Owed them over a half million+. They would simply not pay and just ignore for months letters from the legal team. They knew they had extreme leverage because the provider didn't want to be cut off from them.

So not only does United directly screw patients, they do so as well to providers.

They suck. Not surprised someone went after their CEO.
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General Jack D. Ripper said:

These people really have no idea what's coming. They've tried to placate the masses with pornography, TikTok's and other nonsense. People can barely make it. I do relatively well as a professional but every day is a struggle. I can't imagine what struggle others have. But meanwhile the elites have money to send to Ukraine: The clock is ticking.
If that is going to happen, can I stop paying income taxes like the bottom 50% until it does? You know, so I can live it up first and stop paying people not to revolt.
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Aston04 said:

Wife was in house counsel for a small regional medical provider. United Healthcare was the worst. Owed them over a half million+. They would simply not pay and just ignore for months letters from the legal team. They knew they had extreme leverage because the provider didn't want to be cut off from them.

So not only does United directly screw patients, they do so as well to providers.

They suck. Not surprised someone went after their CEO.
I was one of those providers. When I was in private practice in the 1990's, UHC first entered the insurance market and quickly low-bid the other insurers for the largest employers in the county. First they came to me and every other FP in town and showed us how well they reimbursed for office visits and our 10 most commonly billed services. It wasn't great but was competitive with other ins companies, so most of us signed up.
One year later, the company sent out letters stating that IAW our contracts, they were exercising their right to redo our fee schedules, basically slashing them to below medicare levels (poor reimbursement), and our only recourse was to quit the plan, which I did, because they were doing the old "bait and switch," as did many other FP's, and the only FP's who stayed were foreign medical school graduates. Within a week, I had many patients calling up to complain that I was removed from their list of FP's to choose from. We tried explaining, but UHC made it sound like we had abandoned our patients. When we complained to UHC, we were told it was "all due to budget cuts" since they weren't "making any money."
That year, UHC paid their CEO a $50M bonus for their windfall of profits.

Now, I'm retired and on medicare myself. When UHC advertises to me that they can give me the lowest price for choosing them as a medicare supplemental insurance, I just smile, and say, "I still remember."
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Dicer said:




Insane. How many bullets were actually fired? Did all rounds have text
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Hope they find this weirdo
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BadMoonRisin said:

Hope they find this weirdo


The dead one or the one who did the shooting?
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We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years, people are fed up
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That's creepy as hell
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Zachary Klement said:

Such a wild deal. Intrigued to see what the motive was if they find the shooter.

I'm sure the FBI is on it and the FBI always gets their man. Oh, wait…
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TAMUallen said:

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Insane. How many bullets were actually fired? Did all rounds have text

Only three rounds fired
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Dicer said:

We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years, people are fed up


I think this is why we are seeing so many of the wealthy support leftist positions that are seemingly against their interests. When the mobs arrive they can say "but I was on your side!" They also likely think they can keep tossing scraps to the poor to keep them quiet and placate them with pop filth, salacious trials and scandals.

Dont get me wrong. I am 100% capitalist and people should be able to make whatever they can make. However, this isn't capitalism. This is crony capitalism hybridized with consumerism at best.
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I don't remember hearing about this but there were protests a few months ago outside UHC headquarters that were being discussed on Fox Business this morning. Could certainly be a connection and escalation:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/11-arrested-during-protest-unitedhealthcare-205300044.html

https://www.darkdaily.com/2024/08/30/protesters-outside-unitedhealthcare-headquarters-allege-company-systemically-denies-care/
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If he's doing that, imagine what the Chinese are doing.
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Ya they'll find the "shooter". It's so easy to just disappear in NYC where every square inch of streets are covered by cameras.

This is def a disgruntled customer and def not an operation
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ttu_85 said:

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Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Some of y'all are missing my main point. My question is, why are there unspent rounds on the ground? You'd think a pro would know the tools of his trade like the back of his hand. So a pro goes on a hit with a jacked up gun or bad ammo ?

Odd

This is the largest evidence that this guy is not a professional hitman. A suppressor works by using baffles to slow down and cool the expanding gases produced by the gunpowder, which reduces sound. He had to manually cycle the pistol because he probably used incorrect ammunition, such as subsonic, in combination with the suppressor causing insufficient gas pressure to fully propel the slide rearward. He did seem prepared for it, however, as he did not appear surprised and quickly cleared any jam and cycled the pistol. My take is that he was concerned about noise so used a suppressor with subsonic ammunition that provided insufficient gas pressure to cycle the semi-automatic pistol.
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Assassin is a cowardly job.
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General Jack D. Ripper said:

Dicer said:

We are going to see a lot more of this in the next few years, people are fed up


I think this is why we are seeing so many of the wealthy support leftist positions that are seemingly against their interests. When the mobs arrive they can say "but I was on your side!" They also likely think they can keep tossing scraps to the poor to keep them quiet and placate them with pop filth, salacious trials and scandals.

Dont get me wrong. I am 100% capitalist and people should be able to make whatever they can make. However, this isn't capitalism. This is crony capitalism hybridized with consumerism at best.
I don't support it. If you cannot afford food or healthcare, you die. I am tired of paying for "scraps." And I don't consider 1/3 of my income to be nothing.
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Aston04 said:

Wife was in house counsel for a small regional medical provider. United Healthcare was the worst. Owed them over a half million+. They would simply not pay and just ignore for months letters from the legal team. They knew they had extreme leverage because the provider didn't want to be cut off from them.

So not only does United directly screw patients, they do so as well to providers.

They suck. Not surprised someone went after their CEO.
You are correct. They suck and are probably the worst of all the big insurance companies for patients and doctors alike. All the while that crooked guy is (was) raking in 50 plus million a year.
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Has a Boondock Saints type of feel to it
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Like a John Grisham novel. Could've been a plot line in rainmaker.
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PA24 said:

Assassin is a cowardly job.
Running an insurance company that is more concerned with securing billions in profits than helping paying patients is more cowardly.
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It's bipartisan too. People really really hate health insurance companies.
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lots of disgusting people out there sadly
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Yes, denying coverage and reimbursement for valid claims made by insureds who have paid high premiums for years is disgusting and evil.
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stetson said:

ttu_85 said:

GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Some of y'all are missing my main point. My question is, why are there unspent rounds on the ground? You'd think a pro would know the tools of his trade like the back of his hand. So a pro goes on a hit with a jacked up gun or bad ammo ?

Odd

This is the largest evidence that this guy is not a professional hitman. A suppressor works by using baffles to slow down and cool the expanding gases produced by the gunpowder, which reduces sound. He had to manually cycle the pistol because he probably used incorrect ammunition, such as subsonic, in combination with the suppressor causing insufficient gas pressure to fully propel the slide rearward. He did seem prepared for it, however, as he did not appear surprised and quickly cleared any jam and cycled the pistol. My take is that he was concerned about noise so used a suppressor with subsonic ammunition that provided insufficient gas pressure to cycle the semi-automatic pistol.


Yes, but he obviously knew that was going to happen. He looks like me doing a dry fire drill at home. Pull the trigger then immediately rack the slide. Zero hesitation.
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This is the largest evidence that this guy is not a professional hitman
the shot in the leg is what make me question if his guy was a professional
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stetson said:

ttu_85 said:

GAC06 said:

BlueSmoke said:

ttu_85 said:

texagbeliever said:

Dicer said:

That's what IMO doesn't make this a pro. A pro would've likely taken her out as well. This was an amateur who was either hired or he was pissed off

Disagree. The guy knows he is on camera. He also knew she wasnt a threat. What information is that woman going to give law enforcement that the video wouldn't?

Also it isn't like some rando is going to know the CEOs schedule.
Weird case. Dude was cool and had the 'look' of someone that has done this before, especially given how he causally walked away.

But...

Then struggles with his weapon leaving 3 live 9mm rounds and some brass. You would think a pro would know his ammo and weapon and quickly police the brass. Yet the dude was coldly ruthless.

Like I said odd.
Tells me that pistol is at the bottom of the river or melted down. Non concerns of spent rounds being traced back to the pistol.


Uh, I don't think even the best assassin in the world is going to recover his spent rounds on the sidewalk in Manhattan
Some of y'all are missing my main point. My question is, why are there unspent rounds on the ground? You'd think a pro would know the tools of his trade like the back of his hand. So a pro goes on a hit with a jacked up gun or bad ammo ?

Odd

This is the largest evidence that this guy is not a professional hitman. A suppressor works by using baffles to slow down and cool the expanding gases produced by the gunpowder, which reduces sound. He had to manually cycle the pistol because he probably used incorrect ammunition, such as subsonic, in combination with the suppressor causing insufficient gas pressure to fully propel the slide rearward. He did seem prepared for it, however, as he did not appear surprised and quickly cleared any jam and cycled the pistol. My take is that he was concerned about noise so used a suppressor with subsonic ammunition that provided insufficient gas pressure to cycle the semi-automatic pistol.
Not an experienced mob hitman, but the guy certainly seemed to have some experience with firearms. And when he fled the scene, he went straight to Central Park where he seems to have disappeared into the ether. Not to make light of a murder, but the way he carried this out is somewhat impressive.

I still think he will get caught. The victim was just too important of a person, and the police are going to go through every security camera in town to find him.
 
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