Bocephus said:

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

RiskManager93 said:

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Did YOU actually hear that, or did your buddies at the scene who were listening to the radio tell you he said it?

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What are you referring to?

thirdcoast said:

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Being called an idiot by Bosephus is a badge of honor. Almost everyone here is disgusted to think you are tasked with doing anything more than checking parking meters. Your boss may get fired over this if he doesn't bend the knee and take accountability like he claimed he would if wrong.

@DPDChiefGarcia
I bet that "safe place" is looking pretty enticing right about now. You get in front of press to brag about your cop not punishing Mrs. West with CPS and a tow. Now you got a police perjury case coming your way if you don't beg for forgiveness.#EmptyMcdonaldsCup pic.twitter.com/VO8M4EWxDC

— Clayton Jones (@Clayton11241106) September 2, 2021

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He's the type of cop who gets in trouble sleeping on the job but posts here as if he is a modern incarnation of Wyatt Earp.

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If you saw a woman or man driving on the shoulder and then they stopped in the center lane of a highway and then in the right lane, would you want that person driving your infant child around the city?

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See the red circle? That's the trailer of a truck stopped directly in front of her. Remember how hateful and nasty you were to thirdcoast for not getting simple "facts" straight? SHE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO STOP THERE. Yes, I hope a person driving my infant child stops there, rather than ramming it to prove to you she's sober.

My opinion starts with this: the cop has guns and prisons on her side. The officer is 100% in control of the situation. I'm putting the duty to make sure things are understood on the cop. I believe she failed at that.

I stand by my earlier statement West had no idea she was being pulled over until the officer approached her car. I think she waited to let the police car go around her after the light turned green. As far as not properly pulling over the second time, we have 15 minutes or so of a failure to communicate between the two of them. I have no idea what the officer told her about pulling over, so I can make no judgment as to why she "got it wrong".

Mrs. West said she told the officer about the aneurysm. The officer got the nystagmus on the right eye, explained by the aneurysm. Mrs. West's attorney knew that, does the officer not know that can give a false positive? Failure in training if she doesn't. She then spent a long time trying to get it in the left eye, but couldn't. Rather than using her training to realize West was sober, she continued testing. Also note, on the eye test, she made it clear to West the test continued until she said it was over.

On to the heal toe walk. You can't even see her feet on the first nine steps - the initial steps look fairly short. You can't even see her on the turn. You can't see her feet the first steps going back, again, the initial steps look fairly short, but you can't see her feet. She was stepping too long at the end. The officer told her not to stop until the test was complete, but she obviously didn't know what complete meant. On the eye test, it was over when the cop said it was over. She was waiting for the officer to tell her to stop. I put the "she kept going and going" on the cop for not making it clear what she wanted.

The breathalyzer is very interesting. West's reaction of "you're giving me a breathalyzer" and "all right" leads me to believe she had no idea why she was pulled over and she wasn't worried about the results because she hadn't been drinking. The officer failed to give proper instructions to get a proper sample.

We can argue back and forth for weeks on whether the instructions were clear. They were clear to some posters. They were not clear to Mrs. West. We know for certain that wasn't because she was under the influence of anything.

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So for arguments sake, let's say that Angela West despite her 40 years of driving experience did not know that when a squad car activated the lights behind you, you are supposed to pull over on the shoulder or the next safe space. Let's say she thought that the car was going to go around her so she stopped. So when the officer gets out of the car and tells her to go turn into the next intersection and she proceeds to park in the right lane of a highway, you are not going to assume there is something wrong with this woman? Parking in the lane of a freeway at night seems reasonable to you?

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The officer was completely in the wrong. 100%. He went after someone who was wrong and I don't blame him for wanting an apology. If it was something minor then I would agree. Instead it was an arrest and put in jail.

Now we will see what happens to the officer. I think lying on a report should be a termination if she did that but I think DPD only suspends.

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I am perfectly fine with him wanting an apology from the officer after it is proven that she made a mistake. I am not okay with demanding the chief and mayor apologize in person on his timeline or else. I am not okay with doxxing ANYONE. That is a tactic of the weak.

Rule 1: when finding yourself in a hole you can't get out of , stop digging.

Rule 2: don't dig holes you may not be able to get out of.

Rule 3: humility is a far better friend than ego.

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Incorrect. The chief is still in cover up mode until they develop a storyline that will exonerate their officer of stupidity or actual malfeasance.
The fact that you are not owning your obvious mistakes is why the public continues to experience eroding confidence that their PDs are on the side of law in lieu of making their own.
This is disgusting behavior and is no different than our congressional overlords currently ruling over us.
And this is coming from someone who has family in LE.
You should be ashamed.

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I bet he is editing the video footage as we speak and superimposing beer in a cup on the video.

Go down swinging and then disappear/SA77 advice

pacecar02 said:

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How can you not show an ounce of contrition?

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What exactly am I supposed to be contrite about? That an officer arrested a woman who appeared drunk but was not? Happened before and it will happen again. She can apologize to West if she feels like it. I do not think I would if he put my name out there.

Is it really over your head that much?

Suuuuuuuuppper bad look here bud.

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I think you lack integrity and I question weather you should be an officer.

Those instructions were not clear

Just because you are familiar with giving the test doesn't mean the rest of us are clear on taking it.

Speaking through the required statements is not the same as making sure you are understood.

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I honestly do not care what you think.

Bocephus said:

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So for arguments sake, let's say that Angela West despite her 40 years of driving experience did not know that when a squad car activated the lights behind you, you are supposed to pull over on the shoulder or the next safe space. Let's say she thought that the car was going to go around her so she stopped.

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For arguments sake, let's say you understand she DIDN'T KNOW THE COP WAS PULLING HER OVER. She stopped at the light because the truck in front of her stopped. Your "arguments sake" completely ignores my point. None of what you said matters.

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So when the officer gets out of the car and tells her to go turn into the next intersection and she proceeds to park in the right lane of a highway, you are not going to assume there is something wrong with this woman? Parking in the lane of a freeway at night seems reasonable to you?

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Again, I have no idea what the officer told her. Again, there is a massive failure to communicate between these two. Again, I'm not making any judgment on the second one without a bodycam with audio as to what was said.

Remember, this officer said blow in the breathalyzer like blowing up a balloon. That is many, smaller breaths. Which is exactly what she did the first time. It is also completely wrong.

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In a statement, the Dallas District Attorney's office said they were rejecting the case because the toxicology report conclusively showed Graham-West had no drugs or alcohol in her system at the time blood was drawn.

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That sums it up.

Looks like sloppy police work. Hopefully a training issue and not a false statement.

My agency would investigate the officer.
The prosecutors in my jurisdiction would have no papered because of the sloppiness (the officer couldn't have smelled alcohol, it has NO smell).
If the officer lied on the papering documents, good luck being able to get anything papered in the future, or to ever testify in court.

West still let his emotions control his actions here.

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If there is no cup with alcohol in it in the car, then it is not sloppy police work, it is a lie. It is either there or it is not, which is why I want them to release the uncut footage. If multiple people on the scene say it was there, then there is either a conspiracy or it was there.

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Which do you believe it is?

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I believe the cup was there. I am not a big conspiracy guy. I have already heard some people say that this is he fastest they have seen lab results come back and someone clearly messed with the sample. I do not believe that either. The only logical conclusion is that Angela West has some kind of neurological condition that Allen West did not want to admit to. 60-year olds can follow simple directions and West clearly could not that night. In the end, it's a footnote in a campaign for a guy who was gonna lose the gubernatorial race anyways. He's just going to lose with with a few thousand less votes on his side now.

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That didn't answer the question

You said there were only two possibilities
1. Conspiracy
2. Alcohol in the cup

You don't believe in conspiracies

So there was alcohol in the cup?

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Remember, this officer said blow in the breathalyzer like blowing up a balloon. That is many, smaller breaths. Which is exactly what she did the first time. It is also completely wrong.

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Lolwut? Who blows up a balloon with a bunch of short puffs?

Bocephus, you've changed how I look at cops, forever, and thats a shame. And yeah I know, you don't care. How fitting.

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Remember, this officer said blow in the breathalyzer like blowing up a balloon. That is many, smaller breaths. Which is exactly what she did the first time. It is also completely wrong.

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Lolwut? Who blows up a balloon with a bunch of short puffs?

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lolwut, you blow up balloons with only one breath?

Bocephus said:

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So for arguments sake, let's say that Angela West despite her 40 years of driving experience did not know that when a squad car activated the lights behind you, you are supposed to pull over on the shoulder or the next safe space.

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Obviously, the first thing you do is ask the driver what they do to own 2 houses. Then you look for an empty fast food cup you can lie about and throw them in jail for felony. Then wait for fellow DPD cops to praise you for doing an "excellent job"... and for the police chief to praise you for showing mercy and not giving the baby to CPS and towing car. Duh.

See, these types of responses reinforce mine and other poster positions that you are incapable of honesty. Smh.

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How can you not show an ounce of contrition?

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What exactly am I supposed to be contrite about? That an officer arrested a woman who appeared drunk but was not? Happened before and it will happen again. She can apologize to West if she feels like it. I do not think I would if he put my name out there.

I am not going to apologize to third coast bc he is still a moron.

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This is so gross. Just wretched.

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How can you not show an ounce of contrition?

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What exactly am I supposed to be contrite about? That an officer arrested a woman who appeared drunk but was not? Happened before and it will happen again. She can apologize to West if she feels like it. I do not think I would if he put my name out there.

I am not going to apologize to third coast bc he is still a moron.

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This is so gross. Just wretched.

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oh to be righteous

VegasAg86 said:

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Remember, this officer said blow in the breathalyzer like blowing up a balloon. That is many, smaller breaths. Which is exactly what she did the first time. It is also completely wrong.

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Lolwut? Who blows up a balloon with a bunch of short puffs?

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lolwut, you blow up balloons with only one breath?

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Well, i'm not impaired or handicapped, so I could get a decent amount of air into one with one breath. Puff-puff-puff is just going to inhale what you just blew in

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I think you lack integrity and I question weather you should be an officer.

Those instructions were not clear

Just because you are familiar with giving the test doesn't mean the rest of us are clear on taking it.

Speaking through the required statements is not the same as making sure you are understood.

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I honestly do not care what you think.

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Nobody should care what you think. If you were in the military instead of law enforcement you would have been dishonorably discharged for the career misdeeds that are on your record.

I am not charged with protecting and serving the public and I cant take peoples freedoms from them because of an opinion about reactions to a test. I also can't band together with my coworkers to continue to exert my will on people, even when proven to be wrong.

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I am not charged with protecting and serving the public and I cant take peoples freedoms from them because of an opinion about reactions to a test. I also can't band together with my coworkers to continue to exert my will on people, even when proven to be wrong.

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I'm with you, comment was directed at Bo

Bocephus said:

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RiskManager93 said:

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Did YOU actually hear that, or did your buddies at the scene who were listening to the radio tell you he said it?

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What are you referring to?

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It's in reference to your earlier statement that "They said on the radio this morning that he posted pics of the officer's house online. If that's true, he is following the antifa playbook to the letter."

My comment was in reference to your repeated statements that you had spoken with officers who were on the scene and convinced she was drunk.

VegasAg86 said:

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Bocephus said:

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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stopping on a highway

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I mean, why stop lying now......

Bocephus said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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Bocephus said:

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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Except it isn't, because she wasn't.

My bad

Are there any other cops reading this that are willing to call out this clown?

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stopping on a highway

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I mean, why stop lying now......

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Yep, clearly, she should have just plowed into the trailer without hitting the brakes.

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stopping on a highway

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I mean, why stop lying now......

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Loup 12/Northwest Highway is not a highway? Guess they need to change the name.

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The only logical conclusion is that Angela West has some kind of neurological condition that Allen West did not want to admit to.

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Bocephus said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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Bocephus said:

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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When you are a hammer you tend to look at things as nail or not-nail.

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Bocephus said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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Except it isn't, because she wasn't.

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There are exceptions to every rule. It is hard to account for people who may be too dumb to even follow the simplest of instructions. You would assume they would get one test right. Third coast allegedly passed one so the instructions must not be too confusing.