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I said .15 and I expect it to be over that.

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Yeah, sorry, typo .15.... And it doesn't take "mental gymnastics" for me think she wasn't drinking. It takes having a probabilistic mindset and looking at all the facts. An honest Lt. Col is putting his career on the line to claim his wife was not drinking AND we have a urine test released that supports that claim.

The police chief isn't thinking about "not impacting the investigation", by saying his officer felt probable cause for "something". He is thinking like me, and shifting the investigation from DWI to DWID, probably for a couple of the reasons I laid out. That's why he pivoted. You are the one doing mental gymnastics because you are DPD and appear to have confirmation bias. At least other cops here are looking at it objectively.

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One question to the LE posters.
Might hand sanitizer cause "the smell of alcohol" in a vehicle?

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No.

dudes in uniform.

Keep up the good fight.

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My department itself has fired 2 or 3 officers just in the last year for dumb crap. Most people will never know they were fired. But, same goes for good solid police work..... that rarely makes the news because it isn't "entertaining" enough for the media to report on. Granted, very very few of us signed up to do this job for recognition. This isn't the job anyone should do because they want to be "liked".... go be a firefighter if you want everyone to love you. But that said, it would be nice every now and then.

We've fired lots of people in my career at my Department and not one time did our "Union" ever try to get the firing over turned, and the rest of us just chalked it up to "Well that was ignorant".

2 of the people we fired this year was simply for lying during an IA investigation over stupid crap. Trying to talk their way out of punishment and embellished their stories a bit. Chief straight up is firing anyone who lies, and it's always been that way here. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to go to Dallas, Minnesota, Chicago, etc and start kicking people's ass and make them fire someone.

I guess what I'm getting at is that there are WAY more good cops out there than bad, but guess who makes the news? It's pretty sad, because I know a lot of top notch cops that are super conservative guys that you probably want on the police force, but they're getting out or have gotten out. Right now, pretty much anyone with a real exit plan is getting out. I'm ready to get out, my wife is ready for me to be out, and the rest of my family is ready for me to be out.

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Bingo...

The internet folks that like to call out officers for not policing their own are the same one's that never call out doctors/lawyers for not policing their profession.

How many doctors know peers who smoke pot? How many doctors know peers who are writing scripts for cash?

Oh.... but pot isn't a big deal and doesn't hurt anyone.. Well, it's currently against the law.

How many lawyers go out of their way to get the dishonest ones disbarred? Fall asleep during a murder trial where you were assigned to defend a broke person. oh well. No big deal. Sleep with defendants wives/girlfriends.. Well, that's okay.

How many teachers go hit happy hour before back to school nights after they've been drinking? How many report them to the administration?

It's easy to bash officers because, like you stated, the bad ones get the press.

Every subset of people have bad apples (well, maybe not Shaolin Monks).

When you have the public and elected officials bashing officers at every turn it's no wonder the good ones who can find other work because they have good work ethics are leaving.

Be thankful for the good ones like Player To Be Named Later..

Appreciate that. If you ever want to make an officer's day, just stop when you see one at a gas station, etc and thank them. You have no idea how many times that will change a guy's entire mood. You can go from having the crappiest of days due to admin, or other nonsense to some random stranger thanking you and your entire mindset can be reset and the day gets much better. At least until admin or dispatch ruins that again

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Bocephus said:

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I said .15 and I expect it to be over that.

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Yeah, sorry, typo .15.... And it doesn't take "mental gymnastics" for me think she wasn't drinking. It takes having a probabilistic mindset and looking at all the facts. An honest Lt. Col is putting his career on the line to claim his wife was not drinking AND we have a urine test released that supports that claim.

The police chief isn't thinking about "not impacting the investigation", by saying his officer felt probable cause for "something". He is thinking like me, and shifting the investigation from DWI to DWID, probably for a couple of the reasons I laid out. That's why he pivoted. You are the one doing mental gymnastics because you are DPD and appear to have confirmation bias. At least other cops here are looking at it objectively.

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What is DWID?

I give every officer the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. My doubt was erased when I saw the video. You attempting to imply that officers are trained to say they smell alcohol coming from a vehicle and you reading way too much into a chief's comment defines mental gymnastics. Just bc you got out of a DWI arrest once does not make you an expert on police work or DWI arrests.

You are very welcome...

I'll be called a "boot licker" on here (and pretty much don't care) but I usually try to buy their meal if we are in the same restaurant the same way I'll pick up a soldier's.

I've received my fair share of tickets (funny how I've been guilty of each one) but have also been told to slow down on multiple occasions. Maybe it's because I have a CHL, maybe it's because I'm not being a dick, maybe it's because of my A&M decal.. who knows. The only time I had an officer cop an attitude with me was when I was a teenager and popped off to him.

Have safe shifts from here to your last one.

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We don't even know for a fact that this was a screw up.

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We agree Alan should have waited.

BUT-We know a Lt Colonel said she wasnt drinking and a subsequent lab test showed no alcohol. And that the cop was inexperienced. We know these things.

Like I said, Alan is putting his entire reputation and career on the line here. A random cop just possibly lied on an affidavit.

My prediction since this video dropped has been that the blood test comes back positive for Benzos, and no alcohol. But because the cop said she "smelled alcohol" on her report, this DWI/D charge is dropped and Mrs. West ends up with a traffic violation, if anything.

We will see how wrong I am

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My prediction is it comes back with alcohol in her system. I've already stated multiple times that I think she is over 0.15. I can buy one cop f-ing up. There were multiple officers out there. I don't buy a bunch of officers signing off on the arrest of a high profile person unless they knew it was justified.

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I'll take the opposite - my prediction is the blood test comes back with no alcohol.

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What is DWID?

I give every officer the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. My doubt was erased when I saw the video. You attempting to imply that officers are trained to say they smell alcohol coming from a vehicle and you reading way too much into a chief's comment defines mental gymnastics. Just bc you got out of a DWI arrest once does not make you an expert on police work or DWI arrests.

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"DWID" is a colloquial term for the charge of driving while intoxicated on drugs. Also, "Benzo" is short for "Benzodiazepine". I think I also referred to the task force as "DWI Task Force", when I think it may actually be "DUI Task Force". Could be some other straws you are grasping at, that I missed.

I see you joined the club with another drive by cheap shot on my expunged DWI arrest, which has nothing to do with the fact pattern in this case. I didn't "imply" cops are trained to report "smell from vehicle" vs "on person", I said I would look there and rule that out before firing the cop. Do you disagree?

If I end up being right about her having a 0.0 BAC does that make me more of an expert than you on DWIs or police work? No, it just means I objectively considered ALL the info and facts available, unlike you who keep doubling down on the roadside video.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/23/dallas-arrest-allen-west-angela-graham/



IF the BAC comes back 0.0 will you call for her to be fired for lying on an affidavit? Or will you say she made an honest mistake?

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Bocephus said:

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What is DWID?

I give every officer the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. My doubt was erased when I saw the video. You attempting to imply that officers are trained to say they smell alcohol coming from a vehicle and you reading way too much into a chief's comment defines mental gymnastics. Just bc you got out of a DWI arrest once does not make you an expert on police work or DWI arrests.

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"DWID" is a colloquial term for the charge of driving while intoxicated on drugs. Also, "Benzo" is short for "Benzodiazepine". I think I also referred to the task force as "DWI Task Force", when I think it may actually be "DUI Task Force". Could be some other straws you are grasping at, that I missed.

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Been practicing criminal law for 40 years and have never heard that term. In Texas it's all DWI. And DUI is a very specific term under Texas law. It is specifically a minor (under 21) driving with any detectable amount of alcohol.

How do big shot lawyers differentiate DWI on alcohol from DWI on drugs in 4 letters or less?

You know someone is losing an argument at hand when they have to try to discredit me with abbreviations, prior arrests, and other red herrings.

First link that popped up in Google

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In Texas, an individual suspected of driving under the influence of drugs (DUID, also referred to as driving while intoxicated by drugs, DWID) faces the same serious consequences as an individual suspected of driving while intoxicated (DWI) or driving under the influence (DUI) of alcohol.

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https://www.kevinbennettlaw.com/dwi-dui/drug-related-dwi/

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How do big shot lawyers differentiate DWI on alcohol from DWI on drugs in 4 letters or less?

You know someone is losing an argument at hand when they have to try to discredit me with abbreviations, prior arrests, and other red herrings.

First link that popped up in Google

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In Texas, an individual suspected of driving under the influence of drugs (DUID, also referred to as driving while intoxicated by drugs, DWID) faces the same serious consequences as an individual suspected of driving while intoxicated (DWI) or driving under the influence (DUI) of alcohol.

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https://www.kevinbennettlaw.com/dwi-dui/drug-related-dwi/

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Never heard of him. And all I'm saying is in 40 years of practicing criminal law I've never seen or heard that term. And he's dead wrong about DUI. That is a term used in other states, but you'd think a Texas lawyer would know better. DUI is a class c misdemeanor. A traffic ticket.

Ok, fair enough. So how would Martin Cash differentiate a DWI alcohol and DWI drug case/investigation/charge in a convo or interent thread?

Here are a couple more clueless DFW lawyers..

Dallas
http://adallasdwiattorney.com/dwid.html

Fort Worth
https://www.andrewdeegandwi.com/dwi-defense/dwi-probation

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Ok, fair enough. So how would Martin Cash differentiate a DWI alcohol and DWI drug case/investigation/charge in a convo or interent thread?

Here are a couple more clueless DFW lawyers..

Dallas
http://adallasdwiattorney.com/dwid.html

Fort Worth
https://www.andrewdeegandwi.com/dwi-defense/dwi-probation

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Why would he differentiate? It is all the same charge. You're using a term that no one uses. I do not need to try and discredit you as your posts accomplish that task.

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smelled the scent of alcohol coming from within the car

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If that was the case, the cop must've been a bloodhound in a previous life...

especially after the lady blows a 0.0

After seeing the entire video, I think she was probably on something - she looked whacked.
Maybe prescription medication?

However, evidence would suggest that "the scent of alcohol" was a blatant lie by the police.

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Ok, fair enough. So how would Martin Cash differentiate a DWI alcohol and DWI drug case/investigation/charge in a convo or interent thread?

Here are a couple more clueless DFW lawyers..

Dallas
http://adallasdwiattorney.com/dwid.html

Fort Worth
https://www.andrewdeegandwi.com/dwi-defense/dwi-probation

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Why would he differentiate? It is all the same charge.

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Lol...because this entire thread is debating whether or not it was a DWI by alcohol or DWI by drugs or nothing. That's why, genius. Its hilarious that you keep desperately grasping at that straw.

So what's next Bo? Are you going to tell us it doesn't matter that the cop lied about smelling alcohol because a DWI by drugs (abbreviated "DWID") is same violation as by alcohol? You feel they are both impaired driving, so no need to differentiate?

Also, I see you didn't answer my question about whether or not you would call for your fellow DPD officer to be fired IF she lied on affidavit? I think we all know the answer. Looks like you are already hedging and looking for an excuse like "meh, same charge yada yada."

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smelled the scent of alcohol coming from within the car

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If that was the case, the cop must've been a bloodhound in a previous life...

especially after the lady blows a 0.0

After seeing the entire video, I think she was probably on something - she looked whacked.
Maybe prescription medication?

However, evidence would suggest that "the scent of alcohol" was a blatant lie by the police.

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What evidence? The .00 is the error default reading when you do not take the test properly. The inability to follow directions and properly submit a breath sample into a PBT is an indication of intoxication. You have never smelled booze near a vehicle?

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Ok, fair enough. So how would Martin Cash differentiate a DWI alcohol and DWI drug case/investigation/charge in a convo or interent thread?

Here are a couple more clueless DFW lawyers..

Dallas
http://adallasdwiattorney.com/dwid.html

Fort Worth
https://www.andrewdeegandwi.com/dwi-defense/dwi-probation

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Why would he differentiate? It is all the same charge.

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Lol...because this entire thread is debating whether or not it was a DWI by alcohol or DWI by drugs or nothing. That's why, genius. Its hilarious that you keep desperately grasping at that straw.

So what's next Bo? Are you going to tell us it doesn't matter that the cop lied about smelling alcohol because a DWI by drugs (abbreviated "DWID") is same violation as by alcohol? You feel they are both impaired driving, so no need to differentiate?

Also, I see you didn't answer my question about whether or not you would call for your fellow DPD officer to be fired IF she lied on affidavit? I think we all know the answer. Looks like you are already hedging and looking for an excuse like "meh, same charge yada yada."

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I'm not hedging. She was intoxicated on alcohol. I have REPEATEDLY said that I believe the blood will test at .15 or higher.

You've been trying to push some narrative about an officer that you do not know, is lying and that she did not smell alcohol and West was intoxicated on meds. You have no basis for any of this except your own biases.

If the officer lied on an affidavit, then she will be fired. She did not lie. She smelled alcohol. There was alcohol in the car. West is going to come back over the legal limit on the blood test. You're going to look like an even bigger idiot than your previous posts have already portrayed.

What did I learn from this thread?

Doing anything is a sign of intoxication.

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What did I learn from this thread?

Doing anything is a sign of intoxication.

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You may need to watch the video again. The lady ****ed up literally everything she did starting with the moment her ****ty driving was caught on camera. When someone spends nearly 15 minutes screwing up, as a non-cop Joe Citizen, I am also asking myself if they are on something. Maybe she's just incredibly stupid and clueless

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What did I learn from this thread?

Doing anything is a sign of intoxication.

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It's best to wait until the toxicology comes back to voice an opinion of guilt vs. innocence.

This isn't a court of law but so the innocent until proven guilty isn't as ironclad but this will be fun to review once the results are made public.

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My prediction is it comes back with alcohol in her system. I've already stated multiple times that I think she is over 0.15. I can buy one cop f-ing up. There were multiple officers out there. I don't buy a bunch of officers signing off on the arrest of a high profile person unless they knew it was justified.

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Is that right you work for DPD?

You are very adamant about your comments.

If it comes back the BAC is over 0.15, it would appear you have already seen the results.

Your other comments make it appear you've discussed this 1st hand with some of the cops.

If the BAC comes back over 0.15, I will say that is confirmation that you've in fact discussed this case with the officers involved.

I've followed this thread, not because I have an opinion one way or another. I don't have an opinion on West as Go.

I have mixed opinions of DPD.

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What did I learn from this thread?

Doing anything is a sign of intoxication.

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You may need to watch the video again. The lady ****ed up literally everything she did starting with the moment her ****ty driving was caught on camera. When someone spends nearly 15 minutes screwing up, as a non-cop Joe Citizen, I am also asking myself if they are on something. Maybe she's just incredibly stupid and clueless

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I don't care what her BAC comes back as. Whatever it shows, she had no business driving around with that baby in the condition she was in. If that is her normal then she needs her license taken away.

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What did I learn from this thread?

Doing anything is a sign of intoxication.

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You may need to watch the video again. The lady ****ed up literally everything she did starting with the moment her ****ty driving was caught on camera. When someone spends nearly 15 minutes screwing up, as a non-cop Joe Citizen, I am also asking myself if they are on something. Maybe she's just incredibly stupid and clueless

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I don't care what her BAC comes back as. Whatever it shows, she had no business driving around with that baby in the condition she was in. If that is her normal then she needs her license taken away.

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She wasn't intoxicated. She was scared. The blood test (if an honest draw) will come back negative. She was texting and driving. Hence the weaving into the shoulder.

Ok. Explain stopping in the middle of the road and having to be told to move twice?

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Ok. Explain stopping in the middle of the road and having to be told to move twice?

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Simple. She has not been pulled over before and didn't know what to do. Maybe not strong on common sense, but not under influence.p

I am a old. Have got lost in Dallas spaghetti bowl and have needed to consult my cell phone as to get where I needed to go..I am sure my driving was distracted while texting and driving. Should have pulled over and turned on emergency flashers, but didn't.

Wow some people on here won't be happy until she gets fried. Pathetic. If she's guilty she'll be dealt with. Move on.

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Ok. Explain stopping in the middle of the road and having to be told to move twice?

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I talked to my cop sources in San Angelo. They told me that 50-50 a drunk will stop in the lane the drunk is driving during a DWI stop. I didn't know that. And if I were a cop, the fact that she stopped in the middle of the lane would make me 90% suspicious.

I also watched the video of her pullover. What I saw was a very frightened grandmother wondering what else could happen. She was not drunk.

Finally, I have been around Allen West enough during my career to know that when he knows he is right, he's a bulldog. And he considers carefully what issues to be a bulldog about. Granted, this is his wife. However, Allen West still would not bulldog at the DPD if he wasn't 100% sure he was right. I guarantee that.

I like Greg Abbott more. So this observation isn't faked for protecting my candidate.

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There was alcohol in the car.

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Is there any evidence there was liquid in the cup or poured out anywhere in the vehicle? I read this sworn statement as an empty cup, likely stashed inside console rather than in a cup holder. With that pull over there was certainly enough time to ditch liquid, although I would think their search would have captured wet or damp areas with alcohol scent and included that in report.

I did find it odd the video edited out this Mcdonalds cup. Alan never mentions the cup.. Police chief also never mentioned an open container when describing the encounter. That seems pretty standard for any "alcohol in the car". The entire encounter should be recorded from start to finish, but only segments were released.

Like Ive said, Alan is toast if her BAC comes back above 0.0, even if below. 08. In that case, HE should go to the cop's house and apologize. Could also mean he even went further to game a urine test too. Just like the cop should be fired if there is no evidence of alcohol in a cup and none in blood.

I've heard cops talk about a person talking themselves into being arrested, after seeing your continued responses on this thread, I am fairly certain I know why you've been arrested four times.

Bulldog or not, right or not, immediately running to social media to make your case is a bleeding heart leftist mood. Demanding the police chief, officer involved, and district attorney come to your house to personally apologize is pure entitlement.

Even if West was 100% right, his videos are proof positive he isn't mentally or emotionally fit to hold any position of power.

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Ok. Explain stopping in the middle of the road and having to be told to move twice?

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Lots of people panic and go full ****** when police lights come on. There's literally entire half hour videos on YT of the weird/dumb things people do with their car in the process of getting pulled over.

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Ok. Explain stopping in the middle of the road and having to be told to move twice?

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Her initial stop was because the truck in front of her stopped. She had no idea she was being pulled over

I see 42k reasons against a new governor...