They use a PBT to further justify the arrest. But ironically they don't need anything to arrest other than saying they smelled alcohol or any petty probable cause.

After a PBT reading below .08 or error, the cop said "code 30". Thats a way to say "we got a prisoner coming in" without giving West any idea she is about to be cuffed and thrown in squad car. You ALWAYS take confused fat grandmas in by surprise, DPD cops aren't trained for that kind of confrontation.

It is really amusing reading your 'expert' advice on this thread based on your experience being arrested four times.

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It is really amusing reading your 'expert' advice on this thread based on your experience being arrested four times.

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It is really amusing reading your 'expert' advice on this thread based on your experience being arrested four times.

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It was only ONE arrest related to DWI, which was dropped to a traffic violation because of my roadside performance. I hope you learned something from it.

Whats really amusing is everyone here who makes fun of me for getting "arrested", while at the same time they say it's smart to remain silent and get arrested. The real litmus test for true ignorance is all those here who think you have a better chance of not getting arrested by refusing tests and asking for a lawyer.

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Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?

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I believe it takes a few weeks.

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Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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But there's a reason an accused that hasn't been drinking sure as hell would. If the test can be done timely, it can show whether a person has consumed alcohol within the 80 hours prior to providing the sample

Would be useless to a police officer since it won't show alcohol concentration, only presence

A timely urine screen could be EXTREMELY useful and exculpatory to an innocent accused

I've mostly learned you suck a lot worse than me at avoiding being arrested

I'm pretty confident in my ability to administer HGN. I've never observed 4 out of 6 on HGN and anyone been under .08

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I've mostly learned you suck a lot worse than me

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I'm happy with you sucking better than me. That's not my strong suit.

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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That UA isn't going to matter, it just adds to the intrigue. If the blood test comes back 0.0, it will be dismissed. If it comes back .15 (or lower, for passage of time), she's getting convicted.

Did they cheat the test, somehow, or was she really sober? I think his political career could have survived an admission she's an alcoholic that's been very good at hiding it.

His reaction might have ended his career already. He's done if the blood test comes back positive.

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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That UA isn't going to matter, it just adds to the intrigue. If the blood test comes back 0.0, it will be dismissed. If it comes back .15 (or lower, for passage of time), she's getting convicted.

Did they cheat the test, somehow, or was she really sober? I think his political career could have survived an admission she's an alcoholic that's been very good at hiding it.

His reaction might have ended his career already. He's done if the blood test comes back positive.

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True. But if it comes back no alcohol and no drugs, I'm going to cut the guy a little slack for acting like a bully after his wife was arrested and his grandchild was left on the side of the road

The kid wasn't left on the side of the road. Cops were with the kid

Left with strangers. I think you get it.

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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That UA isn't going to matter, it just adds to the intrigue. If the blood test comes back 0.0, it will be dismissed. If it comes back .15 (or lower, for passage of time), she's getting convicted.

Did they cheat the test, somehow, or was she really sober? I think his political career could have survived an admission she's an alcoholic that's been very good at hiding it.

His reaction might have ended his career already. He's done if the blood test comes back positive.

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Bingo. I like West, but if he acted like he has unjustifiably, he's out of consideration for me.

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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That UA isn't going to matter, it just adds to the intrigue. If the blood test comes back 0.0, it will be dismissed. If it comes back .15 (or lower, for passage of time), she's getting convicted.

Did they cheat the test, somehow, or was she really sober? I think his political career could have survived an admission she's an alcoholic that's been very good at hiding it.

His reaction might have ended his career already. He's done if the blood test comes back positive.

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True. But if it comes back no alcohol and no drugs, I'm going to cut the guy a little slack for acting like a bully after his wife was arrested and his grandchild was left on the side of the road

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Regardless of how things turn out for Mrs West, Alan West lost all credibility in my book when he gave the name and badge number of the arresting officer allowing her to have death threats against her. That shows extremely poor judgement.

If he believes that officer has acted improperly, then he should file a complaint with DPD, and DPD should investigate and discipline the officer according to their policies.

Dallas police on Monday defended their arrest of Angela Graham-West, Texas Republican gubernatorial candidate Allen West's wife, for allegedly driving while intoxicated. At a press conference, police Chief Edgardo Garcia showed video of her Friday traffic stop, field sobriety test and arrest. He gave few details when asked about what portions of the field sobriety test Graham-West might have failed.

Graham-West was driving home with her 3-month-old grandson from a dinner with a close friend at P.F. Chang's where she had Chilean sea bass and lemonade, according to the affidavit and a photo of a receipt West provided to the Tribune when a police officer pulled her over on West Northwest Highway in Dallas. The video released Monday shows a vehicle veering into the right-hand shoulder before an officer pulled over the driver.

The video shows Graham-West at first stopped in the middle lane of the highway when the officer told her to move to a side street. She then pulled over to the far right lane, and the officer told her again to move to a side street.

According to the probable cause affidavit that Shapiro provided to the Tribune, the officer approached the vehicle and "smelled the scent of alcohol coming from within the car" and said Graham-West's eyes were bloodshot. The officer observed that Graham-West's reaction times were delayed and she seemed confused.

It further pointed to the appearance of Graham-West's clothing and hair as signs of possible intoxication, which Shapiro called "shaky" evidence. The affidavit says Graham-West attributed the way she was driving to her listening to her GPS. It also said Graham-West was on the phone with an unknown person.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article253719693.html

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I assume Alan talked to his wife and fam before he did that, and therefore maybe he is certain that neither his wife nor the baby were drinking alcohol. I have no problem with an officer being publicized IF she LIES about "smelling alcohol" in order to help charge someone with a DWI. With what we know now , it's more likely benzos than alcohol, if anything at all.

On the other hand, IF the BAC comes back above 0.0, then yeah, screw Alan West for either getting duped by his wife or lying and outing an officer trying to do her job.

Any cop caught lying in a report should be made an example of publicly and find another profession. Any cop who disagrees is a dirty cop.

So TBD on this one.

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Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?

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I believe it takes a few weeks.

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Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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But there's a reason an accused that hasn't been drinking sure as hell would. If the test can be done timely, it can show whether a person has consumed alcohol within the 80 hours prior to providing the sample

Would be useless to a police officer since it won't show alcohol concentration, only presence

A timely urine screen could be EXTREMELY useful and exculpatory to an innocent accused

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It's a PR tool. You cannot admit it in court.

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There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.

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That UA isn't going to matter, it just adds to the intrigue. If the blood test comes back 0.0, it will be dismissed. If it comes back .15 (or lower, for passage of time), she's getting convicted.

Did they cheat the test, somehow, or was she really sober? I think his political career could have survived an admission she's an alcoholic that's been very good at hiding it.

His reaction might have ended his career already. He's done if the blood test comes back positive.

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True. But if it comes back no alcohol and no drugs, I'm going to cut the guy a little slack for acting like a bully after his wife was arrested and his grandchild was left on the side of the road

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Regardless of how things turn out for Mrs West, Alan West lost all credibility in my book when he gave the name and badge number of the arresting officer allowing her to have death threats against her. That shows extremely poor judgement.

If he believes that officer has acted improperly, then he should file a complaint with DPD, and DPD should investigate and discipline the officer according to their policies.

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Bingo!

oops. wrong thread.

Allen West needs to highlight the travesty and explain how we need to reform DWI patrols or someone else (or you!) may be next.

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Regardless of how things turn out for Mrs West, Alan West lost all credibility in my book when he gave the name and badge number of the arresting officer

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I assume Alan talked to his wife and fam before he did that, and therefore maybe he is certain that neither his wife nor the baby were drinking alcohol. I have no problem with an officer being publicized IF she LIES about "smelling alcohol" in order to help charge someone with a DWI. With what we know now , it's more likely benzos than alcohol, if anything at all.

On the other hand, IF the BAC comes back above 0.0, then yeah, screw Alan West for either getting duped by his wife or lying and outing an officer trying to do her job.

Any cop caught lying in a report should be made an example of publicly and find another profession. Any cop who disagrees is a dirty cop.

So TBD on this one.

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One of the stupidest thing I've seen written on TexAgs in awhile. Doxxing is pathetic.

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Regardless of how things turn out for Mrs West, Alan West lost all credibility in my book when he gave the name and badge number of the arresting officer

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I assume Alan talked to his wife and fam before he did that, and therefore maybe he is certain that neither his wife nor the baby were drinking alcohol. I have no problem with an officer being publicized IF she LIES about "smelling alcohol" in order to help charge someone with a DWI. With what we know now , it's more likely benzos than alcohol, if anything at all.

On the other hand, IF the BAC comes back above 0.0, then yeah, screw Alan West for either getting duped by his wife or lying and outing an officer trying to do her job.

Any cop caught lying in a report should be made an example of publicly and find another profession. Any cop who disagrees is a dirty cop.

So TBD on this one.

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Was someone accusing the baby of drinking alcohol? I'm mean sure three hours is a long time to chill at a PF Chang's for an infant, but I haven't seen anyone suggest that it had something other than lemonade to pass the hours.

If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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The old I was just following orders

If she lied, she should absolutely be fired and if they can prove she lied, then I'm fairly confident that Dallas PD Chief WILL fire her.

But you still think that rises to the level that death threats are ok?


This is what is wrong with this country..... everyone just deserves to die if they do something stupid.

And exactly why a large number of us are just getting the hell out of law enforcement or sitting in parking lots waiting for a call and not risking pro-active police work. Why go make traffic stops, or try to make a contact with a known dope dealer or car burglar? There's entirely too many things that can go wrong for you if you don't do everything perfectly. The smart thing to do is get out, and if you can't do that, just wait to be sent to calls, take your report, and go back to a parking lot. Pays the same either way.

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If she lied, she should absolutely be fired and if they can prove she lied, then I'm fairly confident that Dallas PD Chief WILL fire her.

But you still think that rises to the level that death threats are ok?


This is what is wrong with this country..... everyone just deserves to die if they do something stupid.

And exactly why a large number of us are just getting the hell out of law enforcement or sitting in parking lots waiting for a call and not risking pro-active police work. Why go make traffic stops, or try to make a contact with a known dope dealer or car burglar? There's entirely too many things that can go wrong for you if you don't do everything perfectly. The smart thing to do is get out, and if you can't do that, just wait to be sent to calls, take your report, and go back to a parking lot. Pays the same either way.

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This is why people have a poor opinion of cops

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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No one deserves death threats period. It's 2021 though, and "I got death threats" is often a card to play just like the race card. I cant keep the internet from withholding judgement until the BAC.

I didn't say anything about being "wrong". I was refering to her lying on an affidavit about "smelling alcohol from the vehicle" IF the grandma has a BAC of 0.0. She didn't say she thought she could smell alcohol or it was possible there was an oder that smelled like alcohol.

This cop put her chips in and so did Alan. Both deserve consequences of their actions in the end. We will see.

Think what you want. I really don't care any more. I spent 20yrs busting my ass trying to do the right thing. 20 yrs with not one complaint by citizens of any form of use of force etc. 20 years of never lying on a report, never getting jammed up on anything stupid like that.

But if you can't see where it's pretty stupid right now in this climate to go adding on to your risk and you think that's why people "have poor opinions of cops" then I don't know how else to get you to understand that risking your freedom/life over what is stupid self initiated stuff. Why would I go make a traffic stop right now? Even if you do everything correctly, **** can go sideways and jam you up in IA for months.

We had a guy at our department who had an absolutely 100% clean shooting recently. He was cleared by the Rangers, cleared by internal investigations, eventually even cleared by the FBI. Guy still spent over a year waiting on a Grand Jury decision. 100% clean and legitimate and he spent over a year off the streets and going home every day having to stress about whether or not nut jobs on a Grand Jury felt like indicting him just because "cops". Then how much fun would he have stressing over a trial.

It's real easy to sit here on TexAgs and say "That's why people have a bad opinion of cops" because in this climate they may not really feel like risking things over stupid crap like a traffic stop. I make a traffic stop for a guy going 15 over.... you know a boring traffic stop. Or a night shift guy makes a traffic stop at 0200hrs in an area experiencing a large uptick in vehicle burglaries. Guy in car pulls a gun and I respond appropriately. Now I and my family get to stress out over a year about whether a grand jury will go into social activist mode and decide it needs to go to trial. If you think that is worth the risk, then there are tons of police departments extremely short staffed and hiring. We are having to post for over time virtually every shift because we don't have enough people. I have worked mandatory overtime on every pay period for about 1.5yrs now.

But yeah, I should absolutely just stay in this profession and keep acting like everything is like it was and we could do real police work and not worry unless we were being stupid.

Then quit if you don't want to do the job.

March 24th 2022 and I'm out. No worries. Brother also retired at 20yrs. No sweat, a large number of us are leaving and very few are deciding this is a profession they want to be involved in. Good luck to society.

Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

You're such a bad ass.

The ironic thing is that it's mostly all of the most conservative guys at our department bailing. All of this is just going to make things worse at most departments. For example, I'm sick of working for a City Council and Chief that has decided we all HAVE to wear masks everywhere we go.

God help our society.

I has nothing to do with being a badass or not. HTH.

But honestly, this is really my point. You can't make either "side" happy anymore.

Go make solid pre-textual stops and try to catch car burglars in high crime areas? Get hammered by the left.

Decide it isn't worth it, and just take your calls and not add additional risk? Get hammered by guys like you.

Not a chance in hell I'd recommend this to anyone right now. Go "fight fires" and have a cush career with a better retirement.

And for the record, I 100% believe that this officer should be fired and/or face any potential legal charges if it is proven that she lied on an affidavit/report/etc.

Where I draw the line is anyone thinking it's "cool" that anyone should receive death threats for this.

She completely deserves anything coming to her from an IA / Criminal standpoint if that is proven and I won't feel even the slightest bit sorry for her and in fact I'll be pissed. But death threats? That's where I hate our current society.... people are starting to think that's just part of a legitimate way to approach things.