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His wife could be completely innocent and I would not vote for him bc he acted like an entitled bully who doxxed an officer. He lied about the officers actions at a minimum. There is a right way and a wrong way to handle this and imo he chose the wrong way.

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Pretty much the conclusion I came to listening to his radio interview. It is hard to describe and I would recommend people listen and make there own decision, but to me it was 100% that of a bully and in a threatening manner.

The evidence can, and I believe will, tell the full story. From what we have seen so far, I think there is evidence to suggest the stop was warranted. I also think it is fair to want to question the sobriety tests and defer to the full body of evidence.

Really just curious to know if there are folks who believe his actions were acceptable for someone who would lead the state.

Every officer does things differently. Personally, I would have asked about the suspected spilled alcohol on the shirt, or the smell of alcohol coming from the McDonald's cup on camera. I wanted to get as much stuff on camera for the jury to watch as I could, and let the driver explain it. Some officers like to keep things close to the vest, but not me. I'd ask lots of questions right there on camera. But I wasn't really chasing the .082s of the world, I was more worried about the clearly impaired drivers. If I didn't see the signs of intoxication on HGN, or if they clearly couldn't/wouldn't follow instructions, I was done and they were on their way, and that's how it should be.

I had nearly 100 DWI arrests in about a year, and I think I went to court on less than 10 of them.

One side is going to have a lot of explaining to do when that blood draw comes back.

"If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim."

I saw in the report cop also stated her hair and that she didn't look "crisp" (I think that was the word she used). What did that have to do with anything? From her posted schedule, she'd been running around since around 0700.

Stain on her shirt could have been lemonade, soup or seabass. Can cops differentiate?

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Curious as to your thoughts about Allen West's response. Assuming the remaining evidence shows his wife was completely sober and a majority come to the conclusion this was all caused by an over zealous officer, would you believe West is a viable choice for governor? Specifically, his behavior and actions have all been justified?

This is not a "gotcha" post as I am truly curious. Personally, I think his actions showed poor judgement even though I can understand a husband being very angry with regards to how his wife and grandchild were treated. Again, curious.

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My post was just an observation and my impression from the video.

I was impressed that Mrs West not try to name drop her husband to get out of the situation.

Mr West, however, showed complete lack of judgement as someone who has plans to be in high political office. If he announced the name and badge number of the officer during a radio interview to intimidate the DPD, he does not belong in Austin or Washington as a representative of the people.

I agree with you comment about being a husband and grandfather but using his platform as a candidate for governor before all facts are released is very poor judgement.

Also, based upon the video, my impression is that even if officer shows lack of experience and overzealousness, she shouldn't be doxed for what she did. If she overstepped, it should be a DPD matter only.

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Go reread everything. Then stop giving legal advice.

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I read over and over you asking me hypothetically why a suspected drunk driver wouldn't have a chance of being let go after refusing all tests. I laugh each time I read it.

I never claimed to be a lawyer giving legal advise. I shared experience of how complying with walk and turn and eye test, but not breathalyzer, worked for me and "could" potentially work for other educated sober adults. The obvious point is that, if sober, many people can control how they walk or if they max deviate their eyes. Many are not confident they can, and therefore shouldn't try. Also, many sober adults have the ability to recognize a rookie cop from a seasoned cop, which can also weigh into the decision on whether or not to follow a lawyer rule of thumb, or take a calculated risk. That's it...yall can all take drive by shots and make fun that opinion. I care more about my DWI dismissal and non-arrest, than the conventional wisdom of posters here like BMX who think saying ABCs is a roadside test. Or like you who think suspected drunk drivers could get let go after refusing tests.

Lets watch how Mrs. West's case plays out.

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"If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim."

I saw in the report cop also stated her hair and that she didn't look "crisp" (I think that was the word she used). What did that have to do with anything? From her posted schedule, she'd been running around since around 0700.

Stain on her shirt could have been lemonade, soup or seabass. Can cops differentiate?

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It's language they are trained to use to make people look guilty on paper.

Nvmd, not the gb

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I never said that. I said, if not hammered and in .08 range, not refusing tests you can pass, and refusing the breathalizer can be a good thing. It's not a hard thing to understand, and it's not one size fits all advice for the masses, its for educated adults who visit F16. But I still understand why that's a debatable risk here.

What's not debatable is whether this cop did an excellent job or not. She was NOT excellent. Maybe you are friends with her, or maybe your roadside tests are even more amateur, making this look "excellent" by comparison.

We look forward to you making excuses for DPD or blaming the Wests, once this all ends in a petty traffic ticket.

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I've never met this officer.

If you are under the influence at all, it is ALWAYS a better idea to refuse all tests. That is common sense.

This is Dallas f-ing county. I watched a guy who beat his daughter to death take a plea to failing to call 911 during an emergency. What I expect to happen is for the blood test to come back positive for alcohol and Mrs. West to plead guilty to a charge that is less than a felony and get probation and maybe some community service. I really do not care. The officer did her job which was to make the streets safer that night. When the blood test comes back positive it will justify her actions.

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So you're not expecting the Mayor to bend to West's demand to apologize. [/SouthPark]

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I do not expect this mayor to kiss anyone's ring.

Thanks. I don't think there is any good way out of this situation now. Even if West is 100% alcohol free, I didn't see anything in that video which would make me feel safe with her driving with any of my loved ones. It also appears we have added another candidate to the bone heap.

Regardless of the outcome, I think the officer's career is probably over. To some extent, even if this was 100% a result of being over zealous I think this officer would be taking the fall for badly executed policy and poor training .... IF it turns out to be the case. Only losers in this one.

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She had spilled alcohol on her shirt and a McDonalds cup containing alcohol in the center console of the SUV. The car smelled like an alcoholic beverage when you approached it. These are all signs of intoxication.

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It appears that the officer not only is incompetent but lied in the report to cover her ass.
In the dash cam video there is no stain or indication of a wet spot on Mrs. West's shirt. How did she know about alcohol in the cup without testing it? The chief said that they didn't analyze the cup.

That officer wanted the DWI really bad and did everything she could to get it.

As for the driving on the fog line, I see it all of the time when idiots are texting as they are driving. I am sure that many commenting here about her bad driving are even more guilty of this sin.

She also could have been checking on the baby. Not smart but not DWI.

Also the shoulder became a driving lane as Mrs West was driving there. I don't think that was an issue here but it should be considered.

She didn't pull over into the center lane to stop. She stopped at a red light, and waited for the police car with flashing lights to pass. Then the officer had to tell her to pull over. Mrs. West likely didn't have any clue until that time that she was being pulled over. Who knows what the officer told her from there? Perhaps she gave instructions that were just as clear as she gave during the field tests.

The officer was so focused on DWI she never considered explaining why Mrs West was stopped. Or asking whether she had been drinking or why she was driving around on the shoulder. Mrs. West had no clue what was happening until the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. Obviously this was the first time she had been pulled over for suspected DWI, possibly it could have been her first ticket. She mentioned that she thought that she was being pulled over for a lane change without signaling. If you rarely if ever get traffic ticket, and suddenly the officer makes you do silly tests, I would understand her being confused and distracted.

Overall the officer was so intent on getting a DWI arrest that she failed to look at the big picture. That is a real sign of inexperience and poor training.

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Have you watched the entirety of the body camera and dash camera footage or just the 14-minute edited version available on YouTube? If you have not watched all of the video, then how can you be sure what instructions Mrs. West was given?

Driving on the shoulder is a crime. Parking in the middle of a highway is a crime. Parking in the right lane of a freeway is a crime. All are possible indicators of intoxication. You are welcome to go to court and argue that there was lemonade in the cup. No one is ever going to test it. None of that changes the fact that this was a valid arrest and enough PC existed in the state of Texas to generate a warrant for her blood.

When it comes back that she had alcohol in her system, are you going to come back on here and publicly apologize for insulting the officer for getting it right while you got it wrong?

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I watch the clip posted in this thread. My impression was Mrs West had no idea why she was stopped. The officer never questioned her about whether or not she had been drinking and that video. If she had asked her, Mrs West should not have been surprised when the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. If she were a long term alcoholic, as some had suggest odds would be that she would have understood what was happening.

Based upon seeing a frightened, disoriented grandmother who appeared to be obedient and courteous as the officer was conducting the tests, I wouldn't be surprised if her blood alcohol test ends up being zero.

Will you admit that the officer got it wrong and showed lack of experience if the blood alcohol is zero or very low?

If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim.

I am not a police officer, and I have never been stopped for suspicion of DUI. I only noted my observations based upon the posted video.

Also, driving on the shoulder is a traffic violation. It mostly happens from distracted driving, which is another traffic violation. Freeways don't have cross streets and traffic lights. She was not in a freeway. Stopping for a red light is not a crime. It actually is a crime to not stop.

Not moving after the light changes is not correct but someone who doesn't often get stopped by the police with red and blue lights flashing behinds might not comprehend what to do in the heat of the moment.

You are making things up that did not happen.

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So now we are moving the goalposts to if there is only a small amount of alcohol in her system (after the West family has claimed over and over that she consumed none) then they are vindicated?

I have said before that I will be surprised if she is below a 0.15. I have also said that I will be on here when the tests come out.

What we know for a fact is that West lied about the behavior of the officer. Why would you assume he is telling the truth about how much his wife had to drink?

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She had spilled alcohol on her shirt and a McDonalds cup containing alcohol in the center console of the SUV. The car smelled like an alcoholic beverage when you approached it. These are all signs of intoxication.

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Based on the video:

It appears that the officer not only is incompetent but lied in the report to cover her ass.
In the dash cam video there is no stain or indication of a wet spot on Mrs. West's shirt. How did she know about alcohol in the cup without testing it? The chief said that they didn't analyze the cup.

That officer wanted the DWI really bad and did everything she could to get it.

As for the driving on the fog line, I see it all of the time when idiots are texting as they are driving. I am sure that many commenting here about her bad driving are even more guilty of this sin.

She also could have been checking on the baby. Not smart but not DWI.

Also the shoulder became a driving lane as Mrs West was driving there. I don't think that was an issue here but it should be considered.

She didn't pull over into the center lane to stop. She stopped at a red light, and waited for the police car with flashing lights to pass. Then the officer had to tell her to pull over. Mrs. West likely didn't have any clue until that time that she was being pulled over. Who knows what the officer told her from there? Perhaps she gave instructions that were just as clear as she gave during the field tests.

The officer was so focused on DWI she never considered explaining why Mrs West was stopped. Or asking whether she had been drinking or why she was driving around on the shoulder. Mrs. West had no clue what was happening until the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. Obviously this was the first time she had been pulled over for suspected DWI, possibly it could have been her first ticket. She mentioned that she thought that she was being pulled over for a lane change without signaling. If you rarely if ever get traffic ticket, and suddenly the officer makes you do silly tests, I would understand her being confused and distracted.

Overall the officer was so intent on getting a DWI arrest that she failed to look at the big picture. That is a real sign of inexperience and poor training.

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Have you watched the entirety of the body camera and dash camera footage or just the 14-minute edited version available on YouTube? If you have not watched all of the video, then how can you be sure what instructions Mrs. West was given?

Driving on the shoulder is a crime. Parking in the middle of a highway is a crime. Parking in the right lane of a freeway is a crime. All are possible indicators of intoxication. You are welcome to go to court and argue that there was lemonade in the cup. No one is ever going to test it. None of that changes the fact that this was a valid arrest and enough PC existed in the state of Texas to generate a warrant for her blood.

When it comes back that she had alcohol in her system, are you going to come back on here and publicly apologize for insulting the officer for getting it right while you got it wrong?

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I watch the clip posted in this thread. My impression was Mrs West had no idea why she was stopped. The officer never questioned her about whether or not she had been drinking and that video. If she had asked her, Mrs West should not have been surprised when the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. If she were a long term alcoholic, as some had suggest odds would be that she would have understood what was happening.

Based upon seeing a frightened, disoriented grandmother who appeared to be obedient and courteous as the officer was conducting the tests, I wouldn't be surprised if her blood alcohol test ends up being zero.

Will you admit that the officer got it wrong and showed lack of experience if the blood alcohol is zero or very low?

If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim.

I am not a police officer, and I have never been stopped for suspicion of DUI. I only noted my observations based upon the posted video.

Also, driving on the shoulder is a traffic violation. It mostly happens from distracted driving, which is another traffic violation. Freeways don't have cross streets and traffic lights. She was not in a freeway. Stopping for a red light is not a crime. It actually is a crime to not stop.

Not moving after the light changes is not correct but someone who doesn't often get stopped by the police with red and blue lights flashing behinds might not comprehend what to do in the heat of the moment.

You are making things up that did not happen.

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So now a traffic violation is not a crime?

She was driving on northwest hwy in Dallas. I apologize if my listing it as a freeway confused you. Blocking a roadway in Texas is a class B misdemeanor and also a possible indication of intoxication. So you're going to argue that someone who has been driving for 40+ Years could be so flustered by the scary red & blue lights that she not only doesn't know to pull over to the right as is custom, but she then gets confused and believes that "drive to the next intersection and turn right" means "drive into the right lane and stop?" Interesting theory. She was not at a stop light. She was in the middle of the road. The next light up was Shady Trail where she eventually ended up.

A few observations I made watching the dash cam video:

In the driving portion, the slow move out of the lane with no quick correction is an indication of intox drivers. Distracted or sleepy drivers will drift but make quick corrections. Also noticed the speed of the vehicle. While I am not familiar with the area, the police car indicated 38 mph which is probably a good bit under the posted speed. NHTSA manual states slower driving is a better indicator of intox driving than speeding is. The car also took a prolonged time to pull over/yield to the cop once lights went on. There were several parking lots or other places to yield and the vehicle failed to do so, without already hitting on the fact that she just stopped in the middle lane of a major road. There is no amount of driving training that tells you to do this.

HGN test (eyes) is normal. I would even argue that it was administered incorrectly as it is not clearly evident that the officer checked for resting nystagmus/equal pupil tracking. Also a failure by the officer to face the subject toward passing traffic. Their positioning should have been reversed.

Walk and Turn (WAT) test and One Leg Stand (OLS) are both divided attention tests. Give instructions and have subject remember and perform. It's not trickery or magic. Sober drivers can follow these tests and pass. These tests have been studied for decades across many different factors and are accurate. She broke starting position, stopped while walking, missed heel to toe and made improper turns every time. The officer is absolutely correct to let her march back and forth bc it shows and inability to follow simple instructions. OLS test can be done on either foot it doesn't matter what ailments one has. Multiple clues observed there.

The thing about these tests is that HGN largely only works on depressants while the other two tests are better suited for general impairment. Those two tests indicated significant impairment not explained by weight, misunderstanding or fear. That officer is completely justified in their arrest decision based on the video.

Now for another angle. I have seen a very poor performance on SFSTs that resulted in an arrest and every analysis showed 0.00 for everything. Turns out the female had a brain tumor that would need to be removed, so the DWI arrest potentially saved her life. It would be interesting to see if something similar is in play if the blood results come back clean

No, I asked why there's is a better chance of one than the other. You can't answer that except to provide your own anecdote, an anecdote you fully admit got you arrested. That's the opposite of the argument you were trying to make. You even intentionally confused everyone with the two different stories - one where you drove drunk and got away and another where you drove drunk and got arrested but got the case dismissed. Maybe it's all made up and you confused your drunk driving stories?

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She had spilled alcohol on her shirt and a McDonalds cup containing alcohol in the center console of the SUV. The car smelled like an alcoholic beverage when you approached it. These are all signs of intoxication.

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Where are we seeing this?

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Arrest report/affidavit

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Based on the video:

It appears that the officer not only is incompetent but lied in the report to cover her ass.
In the dash cam video there is no stain or indication of a wet spot on Mrs. West's shirt. How did she know about alcohol in the cup without testing it? The chief said that they didn't analyze the cup.

That officer wanted the DWI really bad and did everything she could to get it.

As for the driving on the fog line, I see it all of the time when idiots are texting as they are driving. I am sure that many commenting here about her bad driving are even more guilty of this sin.

She also could have been checking on the baby. Not smart but not DWI.

Also the shoulder became a driving lane as Mrs West was driving there. I don't think that was an issue here but it should be considered.

She didn't pull over into the center lane to stop. She stopped at a red light, and waited for the police car with flashing lights to pass. Then the officer had to tell her to pull over. Mrs. West likely didn't have any clue until that time that she was being pulled over. Who knows what the officer told her from there? Perhaps she gave instructions that were just as clear as she gave during the field tests.

The officer was so focused on DWI she never considered explaining why Mrs West was stopped. Or asking whether she had been drinking or why she was driving around on the shoulder. Mrs. West had no clue what was happening until the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. Obviously this was the first time she had been pulled over for suspected DWI, possibly it could have been her first ticket. She mentioned that she thought that she was being pulled over for a lane change without signaling. If you rarely if ever get traffic ticket, and suddenly the officer makes you do silly tests, I would understand her being confused and distracted.

Overall the officer was so intent on getting a DWI arrest that she failed to look at the big picture. That is a real sign of inexperience and poor training.

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Have you watched the entirety of the body camera and dash camera footage or just the 14-minute edited version available on YouTube? If you have not watched all of the video, then how can you be sure what instructions Mrs. West was given?

Driving on the shoulder is a crime. Parking in the middle of a highway is a crime. Parking in the right lane of a freeway is a crime. All are possible indicators of intoxication. You are welcome to go to court and argue that there was lemonade in the cup. No one is ever going to test it. None of that changes the fact that this was a valid arrest and enough PC existed in the state of Texas to generate a warrant for her blood.

When it comes back that she had alcohol in her system, are you going to come back on here and publicly apologize for insulting the officer for getting it right while you got it wrong?

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I watch the clip posted in this thread. My impression was Mrs West had no idea why she was stopped. The officer never questioned her about whether or not she had been drinking and that video. If she had asked her, Mrs West should not have been surprised when the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. If she were a long term alcoholic, as some had suggest odds would be that she would have understood what was happening.

Based upon seeing a frightened, disoriented grandmother who appeared to be obedient and courteous as the officer was conducting the tests, I wouldn't be surprised if her blood alcohol test ends up being zero.

Will you admit that the officer got it wrong and showed lack of experience if the blood alcohol is zero or very low?

If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim.

I am not a police officer, and I have never been stopped for suspicion of DUI. I only noted my observations based upon the posted video.

Also, driving on the shoulder is a traffic violation. It mostly happens from distracted driving, which is another traffic violation. Freeways don't have cross streets and traffic lights. She was not in a freeway. Stopping for a red light is not a crime. It actually is a crime to not stop.

Not moving after the light changes is not correct but someone who doesn't often get stopped by the police with red and blue lights flashing behinds might not comprehend what to do in the heat of the moment.

You are making things up that did not happen.

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So now we are moving the goalposts to if there is only a small amount of alcohol in her system (after the West family has claimed over and over that she consumed none) then they are vindicated?

I have said before that I will be surprised if she is below a 0.15. I have also said that I will be on here when the tests come out.

What we know for a fact is that West lied about the behavior of the officer. Why would you assume he is telling the truth about how much his wife had to drink?

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You have a personal thing against Mr West, and you are making up things. I don't have any goal posts to move. If the blood tests show she was drunk and driving with her grandchild, then I have zero sympathy for her. My impression from the video is a confused grandmother and an inexperienced, possibly overzealous police officer.

This post had nothing to do with Alan West.
Mrs West could have tried to leverage that she is the wife of Alan West to get out of the situation, but she didn't.

Obviously you didn't see my other post about Alan West's poor judgement with his public reaction. He appears to have shown his true colors.

Mrs West was cooperating throughout the posted video. Granted she did not exactly follow instructions, but based upon her comment about making a lane change without signaling she must have been wondering why she had to jump through hoops for a minor traffic violation. And the officer's instructions were not always clear. Reading a script gets the words right but not always the message.

You seem to be wanting the worst for her. Did she do something to you personally?

As a person working in traffic operations/design... what's a fog line?!?

I'm safely assuming we are discussing the solid white shoulder striping on the right side of the road.

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She had spilled alcohol on her shirt and a McDonalds cup containing alcohol in the center console of the SUV. The car smelled like an alcoholic beverage when you approached it. These are all signs of intoxication.

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Where are we seeing this?

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Arrest report/affidavit

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Based on the video:

It appears that the officer not only is incompetent but lied in the report to cover her ass.
In the dash cam video there is no stain or indication of a wet spot on Mrs. West's shirt. How did she know about alcohol in the cup without testing it? The chief said that they didn't analyze the cup.

That officer wanted the DWI really bad and did everything she could to get it.

As for the driving on the fog line, I see it all of the time when idiots are texting as they are driving. I am sure that many commenting here about her bad driving are even more guilty of this sin.

She also could have been checking on the baby. Not smart but not DWI.

Also the shoulder became a driving lane as Mrs West was driving there. I don't think that was an issue here but it should be considered.

She didn't pull over into the center lane to stop. She stopped at a red light, and waited for the police car with flashing lights to pass. Then the officer had to tell her to pull over. Mrs. West likely didn't have any clue until that time that she was being pulled over. Who knows what the officer told her from there? Perhaps she gave instructions that were just as clear as she gave during the field tests.

The officer was so focused on DWI she never considered explaining why Mrs West was stopped. Or asking whether she had been drinking or why she was driving around on the shoulder. Mrs. West had no clue what was happening until the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. Obviously this was the first time she had been pulled over for suspected DWI, possibly it could have been her first ticket. She mentioned that she thought that she was being pulled over for a lane change without signaling. If you rarely if ever get traffic ticket, and suddenly the officer makes you do silly tests, I would understand her being confused and distracted.

Overall the officer was so intent on getting a DWI arrest that she failed to look at the big picture. That is a real sign of inexperience and poor training.

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Have you watched the entirety of the body camera and dash camera footage or just the 14-minute edited version available on YouTube? If you have not watched all of the video, then how can you be sure what instructions Mrs. West was given?

Driving on the shoulder is a crime. Parking in the middle of a highway is a crime. Parking in the right lane of a freeway is a crime. All are possible indicators of intoxication. You are welcome to go to court and argue that there was lemonade in the cup. No one is ever going to test it. None of that changes the fact that this was a valid arrest and enough PC existed in the state of Texas to generate a warrant for her blood.

When it comes back that she had alcohol in her system, are you going to come back on here and publicly apologize for insulting the officer for getting it right while you got it wrong?

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I watch the clip posted in this thread. My impression was Mrs West had no idea why she was stopped. The officer never questioned her about whether or not she had been drinking and that video. If she had asked her, Mrs West should not have been surprised when the officer pulled out the breathalyzer. If she were a long term alcoholic, as some had suggest odds would be that she would have understood what was happening.

Based upon seeing a frightened, disoriented grandmother who appeared to be obedient and courteous as the officer was conducting the tests, I wouldn't be surprised if her blood alcohol test ends up being zero.

Will you admit that the officer got it wrong and showed lack of experience if the blood alcohol is zero or very low?

If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim.

I am not a police officer, and I have never been stopped for suspicion of DUI. I only noted my observations based upon the posted video.

Also, driving on the shoulder is a traffic violation. It mostly happens from distracted driving, which is another traffic violation. Freeways don't have cross streets and traffic lights. She was not in a freeway. Stopping for a red light is not a crime. It actually is a crime to not stop.

Not moving after the light changes is not correct but someone who doesn't often get stopped by the police with red and blue lights flashing behinds might not comprehend what to do in the heat of the moment.

You are making things up that did not happen.

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So now a traffic violation is not a crime?

She was driving on northwest hwy in Dallas. I apologize if my listing it as a freeway confused you. Blocking a roadway in Texas is a class B misdemeanor and also a possible indication of intoxication. So you're going to argue that someone who has been driving for 40+ Years could be so flustered by the scary red & blue lights that she not only doesn't know to pull over to the right as is custom, but she then gets confused and believes that "drive to the next intersection and turn right" means "drive into the right lane and stop?" Interesting theory. She was not at a stop light. She was in the middle of the road. The next light up was Shady Trail where she eventually ended up.

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I don't know her driving record. But someone who has been driving for 40+ years and has a good driving record with few or no traffic violations would definitely be flustered.

Watch the video again. She stops behind a truck that moves when the light turns green. She doesn't move when the light changes. There is no audio on the dash cam. I don't know what was said or what Mrs West heard. An older woman in a noisy area? Hearing might also be an issue.

Where did I say that a traffic violation is not a crime? You continue to make things up.

I have nothing in this other than my observation of what happened.

The stop was justified. She definitely was driving on the shoulder. She either was distracted or drunk. Both are crimes but one is much worse than the other, especially with a child in the car.

My observation is a confused grandmother rather than a raging alcoholic. You obviously see it differently.

Having been on a traffic court jury where the officer obviously lied about the situation and the judge was fine with it, and when my sister was hit by someone who was a buddy with the cop, so the cop lied on the report to get his friend off the hook, I don't blindly trust what is in a police report to be fact.

Unfortunately for the second guy, my father was a friend of the police chief.

How long does it take to get blood back?

And I will say, hearing from LEO here definitely gives me more to think about the situation.

How is being distracted a crime unless she was texting? I have 2 small kids asking me a million questions while driving. They are distracting is that a crime everytime they want something or start arguing with watch other?

yes, do not pass go, report directly to jail

everyone in the car should be doing hard time

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How is being distracted a crime unless she was texting? I have 2 small kids asking me a million questions while driving. They are distracting is that a crime everytime they want something or start arguing with watch other?

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If it causes you to drive half off the road it would be. If it gets too bad, the wise thing would be to stop.

If Mrs West was lost or texting or dialing her phone or fussing with the child, pulling into a parking lot would have been the best thing for her to do. Granted we all are distracted sometimes.

So you admit you have a clear bias against police officers, so we should disregard your opinion? Noted.

MsDoubleD81 said:

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"If the police report states that Mrs West had a spilled alcohol stain on her shirt, the video does not support that claim."

I saw in the report cop also stated her hair and that she didn't look "crisp" (I think that was the word she used). What did that have to do with anything? From her posted schedule, she'd been running around since around 0700.

Stain on her shirt could have been lemonade, soup or seabass. Can cops differentiate?

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Sometimes spilled beverages on clothes dry up

We fixed the keg said:

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Thanks. I don't think there is any good way out of this situation now. Even if West is 100% alcohol free, I didn't see anything in that video which would make me feel safe with her driving with any of my loved ones. It also appears we have added another candidate to the bone heap.

Regardless of the outcome, I think the officer's career is probably over. To some extent, even if this was 100% a result of being over zealous I think this officer would be taking the fall for badly executed policy and poor training .... IF it turns out to be the case. Only losers in this one.

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I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.

But it was there when she pulled her over and she knew it was alcohol?

Sea Speed said:

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How long does it take to get blood back?

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I have the same question.

UhOhNoAgTag said:

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Sea Speed said:

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How long does it take to get blood back?

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I have the same question.

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DPD is dragging ass on purpose.

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I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.

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Two of my closest friends are active officers, so I am sympathetic towards the difficulties they face. I honestly don't know enough to comment on what type of officer she is/has been, nor her performance in this instance. I can see how people could have differing opinions based on the dash cam footage. That said, I have also seen good officers fall victim to the mob mentality, be exonerated by evidence, and never be the same. Hopefully we are still at the point where evidence and an unbiased review can occur. Having to reprimand an officer for misconduct is bad enough, but losing a decent officer to rash/incorrect judgement would be worse (in my opinion).

Buzzy said:

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So you admit you have a clear bias against police officers, so we should disregard your opinion? Noted.

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I never said that. My wife's uncle retired from HPD.

Just because a few police officers are corrupt, incompetent, power hungry, inexperienced, etc. doesn't mean all are.

You are jumping to conclusions.

Perhaps I have a bias for grandmothers?

Bocephus said:

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We fixed the keg said:

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Thanks. I don't think there is any good way out of this situation now. Even if West is 100% alcohol free, I didn't see anything in that video which would make me feel safe with her driving with any of my loved ones. It also appears we have added another candidate to the bone heap.

Regardless of the outcome, I think the officer's career is probably over. To some extent, even if this was 100% a result of being over zealous I think this officer would be taking the fall for badly executed policy and poor training .... IF it turns out to be the case. Only losers in this one.

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I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.

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Hopefully she will not be doxxed. Alan West giving out her name and badge number is inexcusable.

Perhaps some additional training and a little humility is all that is needed for her to be an excellent police officer.

We fixed the keg said:

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I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.

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Two of my closest friends are active officers, so I am sympathetic towards the difficulties they face. I honestly don't know enough to comment on what type of officer she is/has been, nor her performance in this instance. I can see how people could have differing opinions based on the dash cam footage. That said, I have also seen good officers fall victim to the mob mentality, be exonerated by evidence, and never be the same. Hopefully we are still at the point where evidence and an unbiased review can occur. Having to reprimand an officer for misconduct is bad enough, but losing a decent officer to rash/incorrect judgement would be worse (in my opinion).

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Here's reality, she showed a ton of courage in making this arrest. There is no way in hell I would have done what she did. Once I found out who she was, I would have called a supervisor out there and made them force me to arrest her. Why would anyone bring this kind of blowback on themselves and their family for a DWI, even a felony one? It is simply not worth it. She spoke to Allen West on the phone so at some point she knew who she was arresting. She still
went through with it because she is a professional and I respect that. In return for doing her job, she gets death threats.

A huge reason why I am bugging out the day after I hit my 20yrs.

You can't make either side happy anymore for the most part. And to be very honest, I no longer see this society worth risking my life and/or freedom for. I used to feel it was. We're losing sworn officers at a pace I've never seen before at my agency, and we really don't have it "all that bad" here compared to a place like Dallas.

Still isn't worth it though. I can go make as much if not more money doing something else.

Player To Be Named Later said:

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A huge reason why I am bugging out the day after I hit my 20yrs.

You can't make either side happy anymore for the most part. And to be very honest, I no longer see this society worth risking my life and/or freedom for. I used to feel it was. We're losing sworn officers at a pace I've never seen before at my agency, and we really don't have it "all that bad" here compared to a place like Dallas.

Still isn't worth it though. I can go make as much if not more money doing something else.

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BuddysBud said:

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Buzzy said:

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So you admit you have a clear bias against police officers, so we should disregard your opinion? Noted.

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I never said that. My wife's uncle retired from HPD.

Just because a few police officers are corrupt, incompetent, power hungry, inexperienced, etc. doesn't mean all are.

You are jumping to conclusions.

Perhaps I have a bias for grandmothers?

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You didn't have to say it, anyone else could read your comments and see your issue.

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Having been on a traffic court jury where the officer obviously lied about the situation and the judge was fine with it, and when my sister was hit by someone who was a buddy with the cop, so the cop lied on the report to get his friend off the hook, I don't blindly trust what is in a police report to be fact.

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Bocephus said:

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We fixed the keg said:

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Thanks. I don't think there is any good way out of this situation now. Even if West is 100% alcohol free, I didn't see anything in that video which would make me feel safe with her driving with any of my loved ones. It also appears we have added another candidate to the bone heap.

Regardless of the outcome, I think the officer's career is probably over. To some extent, even if this was 100% a result of being over zealous I think this officer would be taking the fall for badly executed policy and poor training .... IF it turns out to be the case. Only losers in this one.

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I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.

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Hopefully she will not be doxxed. Alan West giving out her name and badge number is inexcusable.

Perhaps some additional training and a little humility is all that is needed for her to be an excellent police officer.

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She's already been doxxed and received death threats, Alan West knew exactly what he was doing when he kept putting her name and badge number out there. It was a cowardly leftist tactic that exposed exactly who he is.

HTF does this officer need to learn humility? She was controlled and professional throughout the stop, if you can watch the Youtube video of the stop and Alan West's comments and come to the conclusion the officer is the one needing to humble herself, there is something wrong with you.