Buzzy said:People keep mentioning her age like 61 is near death or something, I know plenty of people older than her that are sharp as ever.Quote:
a 61 year old grandmother
If she wasn't drunk, I wonder if she has a blood sugar issue?
Player To Be Named Later said:
I couldn't tell you the first thing about Garcia.
I live 45mins away and before this, I didn't even know the name of the Dallas Police Chief. I try to stay in my bubble.
MsDoubleD81 said:
61 is NOT elderly!
MsDoubleD81 said:
61 is NOT elderly!
Pretty sure towing a car after an arrest and calling CPS for any kids in the car is pretty much standard protocol.Player To Be Named Later said:
The last 2 things are technically not wrong.
2 out of 3 isn't bad... I guess.
Buzzy said:
This was a good arrest as far as procedure goes, only remaining question is a mention of the cup in the affidavit?
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MsDoubleD81 said:
I could probably still kick your @@@!
Her 'driving' was probable cause enough to do the field sobriety test.Quote:
The stop was ok because of the driving. There was no probable cause to even do the field sobriety test.
I used to think Lot Y was the worst poster on this entire website but you and Bo are the ****ing Batman + Robin of the thing now.Buzzy said:Pretty sure towing a car after an arrest and calling CPS for any kids in the car is pretty much standard protocol.Player To Be Named Later said:
The last 2 things are technically not wrong.
2 out of 3 isn't bad... I guess.
This was a good arrest as far as procedure goes, only remaining question is a mention of the cup in the affidavit?
She was driving erratically, she failed field sobriety test, she couldn't take breathalyzer, she was arrested and taken to station, warrant for blood draw was done, blood was drawn.
So the question of the existence of the cup mentioned in the affidavit determines whether the DPD is legit or a corrupt institution rife with dirty cops?
Warrants for blood drawn should be a massive violation of one's civil rights if that hasn't been discussed already in 28 pages but maybe that's a topic for another day.Buzzy said:Her 'driving' was probable cause enough to do the field sobriety test.Quote:
The stop was ok because of the driving. There was no probable cause to even do the field sobriety test.
Her failure of the heel toe test, her driving, and her inability to do complete the breathalyzer were all justification for her arrest and the warrant for her blood draw.
Get Off My Lawn said:
I say this out of sadness and not malice, but
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I truly hope you lose your job.
I also hope that this embarrassment haunts every post you place on TexAgs for the rest of your days (al la GeorgiaAg's vote).
johnnyblaze36 said:Warrants for blood drawn should be a massive violation of one's civil rights if that hasn't been discussed already in 28 pages but maybe that's a topic for another day.Buzzy said:Her 'driving' was probable cause enough to do the field sobriety test.Quote:
The stop was ok because of the driving. There was no probable cause to even do the field sobriety test.
Her failure of the heel toe test, her driving, and her inability to do complete the breathalyzer were all justification for her arrest and the warrant for her blood draw.
Refusing a breathalyzer when you've done nothing wrong should also not warrant someone an automatic six month suspension of their drivers' license.
What is your invested interest in backing Bocephus here when you both have been clearly in the wrong? Be transparent or go pass out at Waffle House together.
Well, you're striking out all over this thread, too, so I guess this is just one more incorrect assertion to add to the list!Buzzy said:Get Off My Lawn said:
I say this out of sadness and not malice, but
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I truly hope you lose your job.
I also hope that this embarrassment haunts every post you place on TexAgs for the rest of your days (al la GeorgiaAg's vote).
I don't believe you
backintexas2013 said:
Ok fine you want to defend the officer. You then went in with your .15 guess. You went from defending her to absolutely going all in and hacking her play 100%. If you just would have posted a "I understand the arrest" post it wouldn't be a big problem. Instead you went all in with 5-2 off suit and you got called.
fixer said:Bocephus said:fixer said:Bocephus said:VegasAg86 said:Yes. She started off in the correct position.Bocephus said:
Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?Quote:
Did she do it even once?Quote:
Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.
Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.Quote:
Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.
No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.
When you are a hammer you tend to look at things as nail or not-nail.
So after watching Angela West drive on the shoulder, stop in the middle then right lane, fail to follow the directions on multiple tests, you would feel comfortable letter her drive away with an infant in the car? Keep in mind, if you're wrong and she hurts someone you are going to get sued at a minimum? Maybe you would let her go, but I completely understand why the officer made the decision she did.
YOU ( not me) made the claim this was clear cut intoxicated driving.
There could have been ( hypothetical is the realm we are in, mind you) a case where she was fatigued, exhausted, distracted by the child, or operating a cell phone. Could have been a mosquito for all any one knows at that point in the video.
The driver was an elderly woman clearly , obviously, manifestly confused why she was pulled over.
The field test was not done with honor guard precisionBy an elderly overweight woman likely with arthritis and host of other issues that could impact performance.
If the officer's concern was public safety but the field test was inconclusive then the same phone call offered to the driver to get the child could have also been afforded to the driver.
VegasAg86 said:You clearly do not understand my position is SHE DID NOT REALIZE THE LIGHTS WERE FOR HER WHEN SHE STOPPED BEHIND THE TRAILER. I've made that very clear, yet you continue to ignore it to press your narrative.Bocephus said:VegasAg86 said:pacecar02 said:I mean, why stop lying now......Bocephus said:
stopping on a highway
Yep, clearly, she should have just plowed into the trailer without hitting the brakes.
Was there a trailer in the right lane too? When you were pulled over by the police did you immediately signal and move to the shoulder, or did you stop in the right lane?
Like Buzzy said:Buzzy said:
Continuing to argue with someone who is wrong but will never understand why they're wrong and has no desire to understand why they're wrong just become (sic) an exercise in futility at some point.
Come on, Man...Player To Be Named Later said:
I truly don't understand why they'd even mention anything about this cup in a blood draw warrant affidavit. There was more than enough in driving factors and SFST performance to seek a warrant. Any mention of this cup was completely superfluous and unnecessary information.
Driving was a hot mess, SFST performance was a mess.... Those two things alone would generally be enough to go to a judge and seek a warrant.
NO. It wasn't.Buzzy said:Her 'driving' was probable cause enough to do the field sobriety test.Quote:
The stop was ok because of the driving. There was no probable cause to even do the field sobriety test.
Her failure of the heel toe test, her driving, and her inability to do complete the breathalyzer were all justification for her arrest and the warrant for her blood draw.
BuddysBud said:Bocephus said:pacecar02 said:I mean, why stop lying now......Bocephus said:
stopping on a highway
Loup 12/Northwest Highway is not a highway? Guess they need to change the name.
You called it a highway or possibly a freeway, in one of your first post bashing my original post. Now that the evidence has been released, it appears that my layman's observations were more accurate than your trained observations. Perhaps after dealing with my older parents and other older persons, I could better understand the situation from Mrs West's viewpoint.
You said I would have to apologize once the bloodwork came in. It came in, my observations were proven to be more accurate. Thus I have no reason to publicly apologize to the TexAgs community regarding my post.
You expected me to apologize if you were correct.
Now that your 0.15 prediction has been found to be wrong, you still refuse to admit that your observations weren't accurate. It is disappointing that you insisted that someone should acknowledge their mistake if it were shown to be so when you had no intention of acknowledging that you were mistaken should your observations be shown to be wrong.
This is a political discussion board of anonymous posters. Few if any know who you are. You have nothing to gain by being obstinate. From posts above, if anything your obstinance is making your already difficult job more difficult. Admit you made a mistake, learn from it, and move on.
Why would an older person who has been driving for 40 years without any prior stops appear to misunderstand the process?
Does age play a role?
Would lack of traffic stop experience be important to consider?
Perhaps at her age her hearing is not very good, especially with a lot of background noise?
Might it be more important to make sure instructions are heard and fully understood when stopping an older person?
Would confusion by not knowing why she was stopped play a role?
It seems like DPD could either stand firm that everything was done correctly, thereby damaging its credibility, or take this experience as an opportunity to learn from a mistake and improve procedure to avoid similar mistakes in the future.
richardag said:Not sure exactly where this incident occurred, but yes there are definitely sections of loop 12/northwest highway that have numerous traffic lights.Bocephus said:Loup 12/Northwest Highway is not a highway? Guess they need to change the name.pacecar02 said:I mean, why stop lying now......Bocephus said:
stopping on a highway
Did the cop really ask her about the 2 houses? You've mentioned it a couple times.thirdcoast said:
BUT if a cop asked any sober person in this thread what they did to own 2 houses, before getting asked to get out of car, everyone of you would be defensive and also asking why not give me a traffic ticket. (Excluding Buzzy and Bocephus of course)