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But honestly, this is really my point. You can't make either "side" happy anymore.

Go make solid pre-textual stops and try to catch car burglars in high crime areas? Get hammered by the left.

Decide it isn't worth it, and just take your calls and not add additional risk? Get hammered by guys like you.

Not a chance in hell I'd recommend this to anyone right now. Go "fight fires" and have a cush career with a better retirement.

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I'm sympathetic to your plight, but it's kind of funny to state that you're in essence punching the clock until retirement on one hand, while looking down your nose at firemen's cush career and retirement in the other.

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And for the record, I 100% believe that this officer should be fired and/or face any potential legal charges if it is proven that she lied on an affidavit/report/etc.

Where I draw the line is anyone thinking it's "cool" that anyone should receive death threats for this.

She completely deserves anything coming to her from an IA / Criminal standpoint if that is proven and I won't feel even the slightest bit sorry for her and in fact I'll be pissed. But death threats? That's where I hate our current society.... people are starting to think that's just part of a legitimate way to approach things.

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No one here is supporting death threats and its really ****ty of west to release her name.

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https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/division/traffic/safety/sober-safe/intoxication.html

When am I legally intoxicated?

You are legally intoxicated in Texas when your blood alcohol concentration reaches 0.08%, but you are breaking the law as soon as drugs or alcohol affect your driving or flying or boating ability.


What did she have with the lemonade?

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You are intox in Texas when: 1. BAC is .08 or more OR you have lost, to any extent, the normal use of your mental or physical faculties.

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https://www.txdot.gov/inside-txdot/division/traffic/safety/sober-safe/intoxication.html

When am I legally intoxicated?

You are legally intoxicated in Texas when your blood alcohol concentration reaches 0.08%, but you are breaking the law as soon as drugs or alcohol affect your driving or flying or boating ability.


What did she have with the lemonade?

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Her receipt from PF Chang's says nothing. Did she pay for the food and her friend pay for the drinks? Certainly possible.

This case will turn on the blood test. Someone is lying. We'll know who in 10 days or so.

There should always be FBI investigations into credible death threats of high profile cases with public officials and officers. I doubt these threats, if real or credible, were delivered in a manner that would allude the FBI. Likewise, anyone who lies about death threats should also face consequences. It shouldn't just end being a story that provides cover or sympathy for wrong doing.

Don't become a cop if having your identity publicized for screwing up is a concern for you. You are trusted with a lot of power, so you can't cry uncle IF you abuse it.

If you are a politician, don't be wrong about your accusations towards cops unless you are willing to destroy your career.

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Two words if you get pulled over and they suspect DWI/DUI: Law-yer.

May cost you a temporary license suspension, but they won't be able to convict you of dick

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Unless you are hammered, you are way better off politely complying with everything you are CERTAIN you will pass.

Walk the line, do NOT max deviate your eyes on the Horizontal Nystagmus Test. Once he lies or gives up on HNT, accept a breathalyzer like you have nothing to hide. Then lawyer up after saying you don't trust the controls/calibration of the particular breathalyzer they put in front of you. Go to jail, bail out, then request the video and audio of the entire encounter. Tell them you want a jury trial, then watch it get dismissed. Pay a lawyer if you want them to admin it and get the arrest expunged later. Cops can't use their reports to convince a jury when you got video that raises a ship load of doubt.

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People make poor decisions when they are drinking, like I'm not drunk, I can knock these tests out of the park. Sometimes you see them on video doing sweet twirls at the end of the steps, cause they got it under control.

Best thing to do if its even close, is to decline all tests. You'll get arrested and go to jail, but there won't be any real evidence other than "smell of alcohol", maybe you swerved, whatever.

And when you are smart enough to do this, remember you are on video the whole time, including the transport. Don't get in the back of the car and start mouthing off. That's when "ossifer" and **** starts flowing.

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But honestly, this is really my point. You can't make either "side" happy anymore.

Go make solid pre-textual stops and try to catch car burglars in high crime areas? Get hammered by the left.

Decide it isn't worth it, and just take your calls and not add additional risk? Get hammered by guys like you.

Not a chance in hell I'd recommend this to anyone right now. Go "fight fires" and have a cush career with a better retirement.

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The great thing about being a hoseboy is a promotion means you get to sleep for an extra hour.

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Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

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This is 99% of government work.

People typically take jobs in public service because they want to make a difference and do some good. When trying to go the extra mile and do a good job threatens your livelihood, your safety, or the personal safety of your family because SJWs believe in fascist tactics, the end result is people will default to the bare minimum to avoid being fired.

The sad thing is, you think the problem in such a situation is the worker, not the fascists.

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Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

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This is 99% of government work.

People typically take jobs in public service because they want to make a difference and do some good. When trying to go the extra mile and do a good job threatens your livelihood, your safety, or the personal safety of your family because SJWs believe in fascist tactics, the end result is people will default to the bare minimum to avoid being fired.

The sad thing is, you think the problem in such a situation is the worker, not the fascists.

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Both are wrong.

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Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

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The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime; so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.

Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

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Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

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This is 99% of government work.

People typically take jobs in public service because they want to make a difference and do some good. When trying to go the extra mile and do a good job threatens your livelihood, your safety, or the personal safety of your family because SJWs believe in fascist tactics, the end result is people will default to the bare minimum to avoid being fired.

The sad thing is, you think the problem in such a situation is the worker, not the fascists.

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Both are wrong.

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This may be true at the federal level. State and local government is a place for people with almost no other options. Their work ethic and competence reflects that at all levels from city councils to the police. Which is why I find any defense of the Police to be baffling.

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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The old I was just following orders

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Let me get this straight: You believe that if a police officer followed her training and made an arrest based on the untold number of clues that we have described before, she deserves to receive death threats? For arguments sake, let's say that the blood test shows no alcohol in her system. You believe that her making an arrest that we cannot get a conviction on = the officer deserves death threats?

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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No one deserves death threats period. It's 2021 though, and "I got death threats" is often a card to play just like the race card. I cant keep the internet from withholding judgement until the BAC.

I didn't say anything about being "wrong". I was refering to her lying on an affidavit about "smelling alcohol from the vehicle" IF the grandma has a BAC of 0.0. She didn't say she thought she could smell alcohol or it was possible there was an oder that smelled like alcohol.

This cop put her chips in and so did Alan. Both deserve consequences of their actions in the end. We will see.

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Thank you for explaining.

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Think what you want. I really don't care any more. I spent 20yrs busting my ass trying to do the right thing. 20 yrs with not one complaint by citizens of any form of use of force etc. 20 years of never lying on a report, never getting jammed up on anything stupid like that.

But if you can't see where it's pretty stupid right now in this climate to go adding on to your risk and you think that's why people "have poor opinions of cops" then I don't know how else to get you to understand that risking your freedom/life over what is stupid self initiated stuff. Why would I go make a traffic stop right now? Even if you do everything correctly, **** can go sideways and jam you up in IA for months.

We had a guy at our department who had an absolutely 100% clean shooting recently. He was cleared by the Rangers, cleared by internal investigations, eventually even cleared by the FBI. Guy still spent over a year waiting on a Grand Jury decision. 100% clean and legitimate and he spent over a year off the streets and going home every day having to stress about whether or not nut jobs on a Grand Jury felt like indicting him just because "cops". Then how much fun would he have stressing over a trial.

It's real easy to sit here on TexAgs and say "That's why people have a bad opinion of cops" because in this climate they may not really feel like risking things over stupid crap like a traffic stop. I make a traffic stop for a guy going 15 over.... you know a boring traffic stop. Or a night shift guy makes a traffic stop at 0200hrs in an area experiencing a large uptick in vehicle burglaries. Guy in car pulls a gun and I respond appropriately. Now I and my family get to stress out over a year about whether a grand jury will go into social activist mode and decide it needs to go to trial. If you think that is worth the risk, then there are tons of police departments extremely short staffed and hiring. We are having to post for over time virtually every shift because we don't have enough people. I have worked mandatory overtime on every pay period for about 1.5yrs now.

But yeah, I should absolutely just stay in this profession and keep acting like everything is like it was and we could do real police work and not worry unless we were being stupid.

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Do not worry about the opinions of people who would never ever enter the arena.

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Then step the F up and get out there! Show everyone how it is done.

You are right about "most" people. I would even say most or all the people posting on this thread should remain silent and lawyer up after a few beers. After reading BMX thinks saying ABCs is a roadside test and several others who don't understand process of arrest vs conviction, it's clear I misjudged the audience and my post was misplaced.

Most cops also don't screw up roadside tests. But many cops make critical mistakes if they are inexperienced and administering a test to someone who is sober enough to be certain about their abilities and knowledge of roadside tests. You just never hear about it. Cops don't talk about the time they did so bad on a roadside test that they tried to claim they lost the video when going to trial. The videos aren't out in circulation, and the subjects don't go around telling coworkers. Occasionally someone may post about it on an internet forum. But it happens, more than people think.

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There should always be FBI investigations into credible death threats of high profile cases with public officials and officers. I doubt these threats, if real or credible, were delivered in a manner that would allude the FBI. Likewise, anyone who lies about death threats should also face consequences. It shouldn't just end being a story that provides cover or sympathy for wrong doing.

Don't become a cop if having your identity publicized for screwing up is a concern for you. You are trusted with a lot of power, so you can't cry uncle IF you abuse it.

If you are a politician, don't be wrong about your accusations towards cops unless you are willing to destroy your career.

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How about having your name plastered all over the place BEFORE it was decided if you screwed up? We don't even know for a fact that this was a screw up.

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Its pretty ****ty to do the bare minimum to hang on to retirement, but I expect nothing less from most cops.

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Then step the F up and get out there! Show everyone how it is done.

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No thanks, I have a much better career.

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You are right about "most" people. I would even say most or all the people posting on this thread should remain silent and lawyer up after a few beers. After reading BMX thinks saying ABCs is a roadside test and several others who don't understand process of arrest vs conviction, it's clear I misjudged the audience and my post was misplaced.

Most cops also don't screw up roadside tests. But many cops make critical mistakes if they are inexperienced and administering a test to someone who is sober enough to be certain about their abilities and knowledge of roadside tests. You just never hear about it. Cops don't talk about the time they did so bad on a roadside test that they tried to claim they lost the video when going to trial. The videos aren't out in circulation, and the subjects don't go around telling coworkers. Occasionally someone may post about it on an internet forum. But it happens, more than people think.

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I'm gonna call bull**** here, you haven't shut the **** up about something that happened 15 years ago in a weird attempt to claim credibility, you really expect us to believe you haven't bragged about this before?

I haven't told anyone I work with. Getting arrested for DWI is not something I would ever talk about at work. However, I would post about it anonymously on a thread debating a questionable DWI charge. Because that's where it belongs. Outside of work, its come up with a few close people I trust.

Funny how personal it gets here, and how so many jump on me like I think it's cool to get arrested and go to jail. I made a mistake by offering an opinion here on what I would do if pulled over and not drunk. That's pretty clear.

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We don't even know for a fact that this was a screw up.

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We agree Alan should have waited.

BUT-We know a Lt Colonel said she wasnt drinking and a subsequent lab test showed no alcohol. And that the cop was inexperienced. We know these things.

Like I said, Alan is putting his entire reputation and career on the line here. A random cop just possibly lied on an affidavit.

My prediction since this video dropped has been that the blood test comes back positive for Benzos, and no alcohol. But because the cop said she "smelled alcohol" on her report, this DWI/D charge is dropped and Mrs. West ends up with a traffic violation, if anything.

We will see how wrong I am

Yeah, we're all participating in a metric **** ton of speculation that is pretty meaningless until that blood draw comes back.

I really wish West had been more measured in his tone one way or the other, at least in public. I will not be voting for Abbott again more than likely, but at the moment I am leaning towards picking someone other than West.

For starters, how many of us regular Joes would have the Mayor and Police Chief show up at our house to apologize if this turns out to be a screw up? Why is he entitled to that and we aren't? That in and of itself was pretty stupid.

Yall are all right.

Can we stop posting on this thread until the blood test comes out?

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We don't even know for a fact that this was a screw up.

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We agree Alan should have waited.

BUT-We know a Lt Colonel said she wasnt drinking and a subsequent lab test showed no alcohol. And that the cop was inexperienced. We know these things.

Like I said, Alan is putting his entire reputation and career on the line here. A random cop just possibly lied on an affidavit.

My prediction since this video dropped has been that the blood test comes back positive for Benzos, and no alcohol. But because the cop said she "smelled alcohol" on her report, this DWI/D charge is dropped and Mrs. West ends up with a traffic violation, if anything.

We will see how wrong I am

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My prediction is it comes back with alcohol in her system. I've already stated multiple times that I think she is over 0.15. I can buy one cop f-ing up. There were multiple officers out there. I don't buy a bunch of officers signing off on the arrest of a high profile person unless they knew it was justified.

Did they know who she was when she was going thru the tests or until his Instagram or wherever he broadcasted it?

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Did they know who she was when she was going thru the tests or until his Instagram or wherever he broadcasted it?

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Nope. My understanding is that they found who she was after they arrested her bc I know that Allen West was called when they were trying to get a family member to come pick up the child.

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If a PUBLIC servant with authority over citizens gets caught lying on a affidavit to screw over a citizen, that's not "doxxing". That's a public warning to cops everywhere and a favor to society.

IF it comes back that Mrs West is 0.0 BAC, maybe you tell us that was an "excellent lie" from your fellow DPD officer. Or maybe you will say it could have been alcohol from someone else...Yada Yada.

So yes, it is TBD. Both Alan and this officer have a lot riding on that BAC. I'll wait to throw someone under the bus until we see it.

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So a police officer who had a valid reason to arrest someone and does her job as prescribed by the law, deserves to receive death threats if she is wrong?

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The old I was just following orders

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Let me get this straight: You believe that if a police officer followed her training and made an arrest based on the untold number of clues that we have described before, she deserves to receive death threats? For arguments sake, let's say that the blood test shows no alcohol in her system. You believe that her making an arrest that we cannot get a conviction on = the officer deserves death threats?

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Also there will need to be apologies from the Mayor, the Chief, the DA, and anyone else West can't outright attempt to crush. In person at his castle.

Obviously the officer in question doesn't need to apologize because West wants her fired and publicly humiliated. She can regret that.

He's kicking some Texas ***. Finally someone who's not afraid to come into the state and assert some prerogative.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/08/26/you-will-publicly-apologize-allen-west-demands-apology-after-his-wife-was-arrested-by-dallas-police-on-suspicion-of-driving-while-intoxicated/

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Because it wouldn't shock me at all if this dip**** made a crap arrest.

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The cop is both female and black. Who knows, maybe a lesbo too. On top of that, she has a GOP "Uncle Tom" attacking her, and she is claiming "death threats". She is probably more likely to get promoted than fired if it turns out she lied on an affidavit about "smelling alcohol".

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Because it wouldn't shock me at all if this dip**** made a crap arrest.

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The cop is both female and black. Who knows, maybe a lesbo too. On top of that, she has a GOP "Uncle Tom" attacking her, and she is claiming "death threats". She is probably more likely to get promoted than fired if it turns out she lied on an affidavit about "smelling alcohol".

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The death threats are real. They're calling the station genius.

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Player To Be Named Later said:

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But honestly, this is really my point. You can't make either "side" happy anymore.

Go make solid pre-textual stops and try to catch car burglars in high crime areas? Get hammered by the left.

Decide it isn't worth it, and just take your calls and not add additional risk? Get hammered by guys like you.

Not a chance in hell I'd recommend this to anyone right now. Go "fight fires" and have a cush career with a better retirement.

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I'm sympathetic to your plight, but it's kind of funny to state that you're in essence punching the clock until retirement on one hand, while looking down your nose at firemen's cush career and retirement in the other.

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Hey, if they ever start getting out of the station and pro-actively looking for fires to prevent, etc then I'll feel better about them.

And yeah, it's my dumb a$$ fault for not doing that profession for 20 yrs vs doing it for the last 5 months of my career. Definitely picked the wrong test to take.

*** Edit, I'm really just giving those guys ****. I respect what they do.... it's just that what they do is infinitely easier. At least in a CIty like mine. There is a Station in our City that maybe rolls out on double digit calls in a week. I'm not even trying to do a whole lot right now and I routinely take about 20 in a day.

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And for the record, I 100% believe that this officer should be fired and/or face any potential legal charges if it is proven that she lied on an affidavit/report/etc.

Where I draw the line is anyone thinking it's "cool" that anyone should receive death threats for this.

She completely deserves anything coming to her from an IA / Criminal standpoint if that is proven and I won't feel even the slightest bit sorry for her and in fact I'll be pissed. But death threats? That's where I hate our current society.... people are starting to think that's just part of a legitimate way to approach things.

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Brother, I feel your pinch. I think what folks are trying to say is, listen to the conversation and don't staunchly defend the arrest. Have a look from the other side. I believe most here would say death threats are not ok, that you ran with. The conversation surrounds the underwhelming performance of the officer's roadside stop. For context, my son is a deputy in this state and fully appreciate the political forces you work with. Go home, be safe, and keep serving with distinction.

If you've followed me on this thread, I haven't been staunchly defending this arrest at all. I am not privy to the details that Bo is privy to however. For me, this could go either way and I'll be far more angry at the officer if it comes back at 0.00 than I will be at West if it comes back showing alcohol on board.

I hold her to a higher standard than I hold West. I expect a politician to be a loud mouthed blowhard.

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If you've followed me on this thread, I haven't been staunchly defending this arrest at all. I am not privy to the details that Bo is privy to however. For me, this could go either way and I'll be far more angry at the officer if it comes back at 0.00 than I will be at West if it comes back showing alcohol on board.

I hold her to a higher standard than I hold West. I expect a politician to be a loud mouthed blowhard.

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I was attempting to be complimentary...

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If you've followed me on this thread, I haven't been staunchly defending this arrest at all. I am not privy to the details that Bo is privy to however. For me, this could go either way and I'll be far more angry at the officer if it comes back at 0.00 than I will be at West if it comes back showing alcohol on board.

I hold her to a higher standard than I hold West. I expect a politician to be a loud mouthed blowhard.

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I was attempting to be complimentary...

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I'm mostly a lurker on this board, but don't they have rules against that here?

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Because it wouldn't shock me at all if this dip**** made a crap arrest.

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The cop is both female and black. Who knows, maybe a lesbo too. On top of that, she has a GOP "Uncle Tom" attacking her, and she is claiming "death threats". She is probably more likely to get promoted than fired if it turns out she lied on an affidavit about "smelling alcohol".

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The death threats are real. They're calling the station genius.

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Yeah, I get it. Just like local election officials who violated state law got "death threats" too after Trump called them out by name. It's not real until it's investigated and those making the threats are flushed out and dealt with. Until then it's "death threats" and as you and a few others have shown, it's the best thing this cop has going for her in getting sympathy and saving face. Anyone could be "calling the station" including anonymous anti-Alan West folks looking give the DPD some firepower to fight back.

Are these callers using burner phones or pay phones? I believe there are laws on the books to bring these threatsters to justice. Per my earlier comments, death threats should be investigated fervently by LEOs/FBI and dealt with sternly to send a message. They should NOT be tossed around to provide cover for accusations of wrong doing. Which are we seeing here in this case?