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I too would like to see all the body cam footage. If it was anyone but Milner I would suggest something was up. What I saw on that video does not go along with that test result (neither does what I was told from the scene).

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Cops get it wrong sometimes. They make mistakes, yourself included

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I make lots of mistakes. This does not make a lot of sense though. Nystagmus with a zero tox?

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Can you actually see the nystagmus on the video? Or is it just the officer's word/observation?

If the latter, perhaps the officer got it wrong. Saw something that she misinterpreted as a nystagmus

Sometimes officers just get it wrong

Can't speak for Dallas. But at my PD that officer would be looking at a pretty in depth IA investigation. And if there was even a hint of untruthfulness they'd be fired, no questions, by our Chief.

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She gonna get paid if they arrested her and the breathalyzer was indeed 0.0

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Hahahahaha

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There is a reason I didn't take a side in this thread really. I thought the cop was horrible, but I also thought that Mrs. West performed poorly. But some people in here staked their careers and reputations on it as officers of the law and they look like morons now. Cops wonder why even the people more inclined to side with them have become much more hostile to them lately and this is the prime example. ****ty cops need to be dealt with. The arresting officer of Mrs. West needs to go. PERIOD

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Can't speak for Dallas. But at my PD that officer would be looking at a pretty in depth IA investigation. And if there was even a hint of untruthfulness they'd be fired, no questions, by our Chief.

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Of course you would.

If you were a white dude.

Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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Player To Be Named Later said:

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Can't speak for Dallas. But at my PD that officer would be looking at a pretty in depth IA investigation. And if there was even a hint of untruthfulness they'd be fired, no questions, by our Chief.

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Of course you would.

If you were a white dude.

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Our Chief, who is black, has fired one white officer and one black officer this year for lying.

Thanks for playing though.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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The fact that there was mention of smell or presence of alcohol alone demonstrates a lie. The minute she cited alcohol in her arrest report, it became a lie.

The other officer(s) present should be facing discipline as well I'd think.

I'm expecting some people on here to demand Trump be impeached just to get the spot light off them!!

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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The fact that there was mention of smell or presence of alcohol alone demonstrates a lie. The minute she cited alcohol in her arrest report, it became a lie.

The other officer(s) present should be facing discipline as well I'd think.

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That's where, I hope, an in depth IA investigation is conducted.

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I too would like to see all the body cam footage. If it was anyone but Milner I would suggest something was up. What I saw on that video does not go along with that test result (neither does what I was told from the scene).

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So you dispute which result? The toxicology or field tests?

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Toxicology does not match up with the field tests at all but that is the way it goes sometimes. Now I want to see all of the footage.

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So is toxicology report wrong or field test wrong?

Not to mention 2020 onward everyone has a car smelling like alcohol from sanitizer or wipes or both.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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i mentioned it earlier but normal people would have been screwed and had to pay out the wazoo for being in the same situation.

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If Milner is her lawyer, then she paid.

I've said from the beginning that she appeared old, slightly confused, and upset (ie normal), but not under the influence. Glad my perceptive abilities are still on point.

That didn't sound like an apology

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She had a child in the car. That can be a distraction. She stopped immediately. The charge is dwi not being a bad driver. She did not seem intoxicated. The arrest was justified under ntsa guidelines. Probable cause. Blood test will show the rest. Too many want to decide without all the facts but based on preconceptions. We shall see.

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She failed the toe-heel test, but didn't seem intoxicated. She failed the number of steps, but didn't seem intoxicated. She had an open container of alcohol in the car, but didn't seem intoxicated. She had spilled alcohol on the front of her shirt, but didn't seem intoxicated. She rode the fog line like it was a railroad track, but she didn't seem intoxicated.

Some of y'all are really too much.

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Oopsie.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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$100 bucks to charity of your choice if you can link to a letter from lawyer to client ;-)

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Something I've been thinking about this entire time is, how old is Mrs West? It has been a LONG time for me since I worked nights and was involved in DWI arrests, but I thought I remembered something about elderly people doing poorly on walk and turn and OLS, which would make sense.

I just can't seem to find anything online mentioning it.

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I believe it was reported she is 61.

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I too would like to see all the body cam footage. If it was anyone but Milner I would suggest something was up. What I saw on that video does not go along with that test result (neither does what I was told from the scene).

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Cops get it wrong sometimes. They make mistakes, yourself included

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I make lots of mistakes. This does not make a lot of sense though. Nystagmus with a zero tox?

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Yep

There needs to be a full and independent investigation into the DPD (and DWI Squad) to see if there is a questionable pattern of "smelling alcohol from vehicle or empty containers" etc. Determine whether or not there is questionable training on or off the books in beefing up affidavits with BS, in order to secure a blood warrant. Review the program's criteria for maintaining taxpayer funding based on DWI quotas. #FOIA

Charge L. Harris with police perjury for lying on a sworn affidavit, and fire the affiant too, make an example. Lastly, send Bocephus and his "cops on the scene" buddies back to the police academy for going around saying there was "alcohol in the car". A bold faced lie that they used their position of authority to propagate.

Now you all know why the police chief and DPD were so keen NOT to discuss the mcdonalds cup, and instead push their edited video out to public. Civil rights matter, evidence matters, lying on affidavits matter, our Constitution matters...that's the message here.



Cops do a high risk, thankless job, for low pay. They don't deserve officers and leadership like this. Smoke em out and fix the system.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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$100 bucks to charity of your choice if you can link to a letter from lawyer to client ;-)

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I stand by my assertion that a full apology to my wife Angela is warranted. As well, the full unedited body cam video should be released by the @DallasPD @DPDChiefGarcia to the press and the public. My wife’s honor and reputation should have never been assailed. pic.twitter.com/S1BnNXJglU

— Allen West (@AllenWest) September 1, 2021

That doesn't look like a letter from George Milner to you?

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Cops get it wrong sometimes. They make mistakes, yourself included

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I make lots of mistakes. This does not make a lot of sense though. Nystagmus with a zero tox?

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Her lawyer said she had an aneurysm behind that eye.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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$100 bucks to charity of your choice if you can link to a letter from lawyer to client ;-)

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I stand by my assertion that a full apology to my wife Angela is warranted. As well, the full unedited body cam video should be released by the @DallasPD @DPDChiefGarcia to the press and the public. My wife’s honor and reputation should have never been assailed. pic.twitter.com/S1BnNXJglU

— Allen West (@AllenWest) September 1, 2021

That doesn't look like a letter from George Milner to you?

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Who is the letter to? Lawyer to client....your words


Ps: bet you wont acknowledge you are wrong here too

The problem here is that our resident cop is equating non-equivalent tests. She failed a subjective field test yet passed (with a 0.0) a quantitative lab test.

His confusion comes from a "false equivalence" - that is, both tests are equally valid since "meh chemistry". These tests are not equal - one is based on a cop's judgment and one is honest to God chemistry.

An unwillingness to admit the field test is subjective and inferior to the lab test is evidence of a much deeper problem in the LO community. If a cop made a certain judgment, fellow LOs believe it as deeply as a lab test. That's because they would want their fellow cops to support their judgment the same way.

Over time, the subjective test becomes just as valid to LOs and it baffles them when contrary things like this happen.

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Bocephus said:

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Cops get it wrong sometimes. They make mistakes, yourself included

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I make lots of mistakes. This does not make a lot of sense though. Nystagmus with a zero tox?

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Her lawyer said she had an aneurysm behind that eye.

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If she had a stroke, that would explain a lot of things.

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Cops get it wrong sometimes. They make mistakes, yourself included

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I make lots of mistakes. This does not make a lot of sense though. Nystagmus with a zero tox?

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Her lawyer said she had an aneurysm behind that eye.

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If she had a stroke, that would explain a lot of things.

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Still waiting for you to eat your crow. Show us 0.15 BAC already. Your repuation and credibility is at stake here

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The problem here is that our resident cop is equating non-equivalent tests. She failed a subjective field test yet passed (with a 0.0) a quantitative lab test.

His confusion comes from a "false equivalence" - that is, both tests are equally valid since "meh chemistry". These tests are not equal - one is based on a cop's judgment and one is honest to God chemistry.

An unwillingness to admit the field test is subjective and inferior to the lab test is evidence of a much deeper problem in the LO community. If a cop made a certain judgment, fellow LOs believe it as deeply as a lab test. That's because they would want their fellow cops to support their judgment the same way.

Over time, the subjective test becomes just as valid to LOs and it baffles them when contrary things like this happen.

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We have not seen a .00 test result yet. We have seen a letter from Milner. Like I said, I want to see the entire video now.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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$100 bucks to charity of your choice if you can link to a letter from lawyer to client ;-)

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I stand by my assertion that a full apology to my wife Angela is warranted. As well, the full unedited body cam video should be released by the @DallasPD @DPDChiefGarcia to the press and the public. My wife’s honor and reputation should have never been assailed. pic.twitter.com/S1BnNXJglU

— Allen West (@AllenWest) September 1, 2021

That doesn't look like a letter from George Milner to you?

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Who is the letter to? Lawyer to client....your words


Ps: bet you wont acknowledge you are wrong here too

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I had assumed Milner to Allen West. In the end, I do not care.

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The problem here is that our resident cop is equating non-equivalent tests. She failed a subjective field test yet passed (with a 0.0) a quantitative lab test.

His confusion comes from a "false equivalence" - that is, both tests are equally valid since "meh chemistry". These tests are not equal - one is based on a cop's judgment and one is honest to God chemistry.

An unwillingness to admit the field test is subjective and inferior to the lab test is evidence of a much deeper problem in the LO community. If a cop made a certain judgment, fellow LOs believe it as deeply as a lab test. That's because they would want their fellow cops to support their judgment the same way.

Over time, the subjective test becomes just as valid to LOs and it baffles them when contrary things like this happen.

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We have not seen a .00 test result yet. We have seen a letter from Milner. Like I said, I want to see the entire video now.

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The wife of Texas GOP gubernatorial candidate Allen West had no traces of drugs or alcohol in her system, despite being arrested and jailed almost two weeks ago on suspicion of driving while intoxicated, the Dallas district attorney said Wednesday. https://t.co/VshdRPl7Oc

— Texas Tribune (@TexasTribune) September 1, 2021

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The wife of Texas GOP gubernatorial candidate Allen West had no traces of drugs or alcohol in her system, despite being arrested and jailed overnight by Dallas police almost two weeks ago on suspicion of driving while intoxicated, the city's district attorney said Wednesday citing toxicology results.

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In a statement, the Dallas District Attorney's office said they were rejecting the case because the toxicology report conclusively showed Graham-West had no drugs or alcohol in her system at the time blood was drawn.

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You're a liar.

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Thanks for the honest answer and discord

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If you look back early in this entire thread, I said way back then that if this was proven to be a bad arrest, the officer should be facing potential termination.

She'd better hope this is just a legit mistake that requires more training and not something intentional. If proven she lied even a little, I hope she never works as an officer again.

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We saw what was in the report. She would not need to lie in order to make the arrest. The chief backed her and you would have to believe he had seen all the video. Hopefully we will actually see the toxicology results and not just a letter from a lawyer to his client. Would like to see all of the body camera footage too.

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$100 bucks to charity of your choice if you can link to a letter from lawyer to client ;-)

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I stand by my assertion that a full apology to my wife Angela is warranted. As well, the full unedited body cam video should be released by the @DallasPD @DPDChiefGarcia to the press and the public. My wife’s honor and reputation should have never been assailed. pic.twitter.com/S1BnNXJglU

— Allen West (@AllenWest) September 1, 2021

That doesn't look like a letter from George Milner to you?

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Who is the letter to? Lawyer to client....your words


Ps: bet you wont acknowledge you are wrong here too

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I had assumed Milner to Allen West. In the end, I do not care.

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Hahahah. "Yes I am wrong but I cant admit it so I will now say I just do not care"

Seriously. As the poster above, im pro cop. Id probably pay for your meal or coffee if we were in line somewhere and thank you for what you do. But you are showing yourself to be more of a south park cartman cop than a cop id want my tax dollars going to.


You failed a "gotchya" when I even put a damn winky smile for you to realize your mistake. You didnt even catch it then. Should we assume you are drunk? We could pile on "even 3rd grade "how to write a letter" lessons and reading comprehension shows this letter wasnt to a client; cartman bocephus clearly cant follow simple clues and is drunk". Like you assumed when someone "failed" the "gotchya" FST.

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i mentioned it earlier but normal people would have been screwed and had to pay out the wazoo for being in the same situation.

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With a negative blood test? Unlikely

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The problem here is that our resident cop is equating non-equivalent tests. She failed a subjective field test yet passed (with a 0.0) a quantitative lab test.

His confusion comes from a "false equivalence" - that is, both tests are equally valid since "meh chemistry". These tests are not equal - one is based on a cop's judgment and one is honest to God chemistry.

An unwillingness to admit the field test is subjective and inferior to the lab test is evidence of a much deeper problem in the LO community. If a cop made a certain judgment, fellow LOs believe it as deeply as a lab test. That's because they would want their fellow cops to support their judgment the same way.

Over time, the subjective test becomes just as valid to LOs and it baffles them when contrary things like this happen.

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We have not seen a .00 test result yet. We have seen a letter from Milner. Like I said, I want to see the entire video now.

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Fair enough. I've seen lawyers lie plenty. I thought this was something from the DA, not just a lawyer's letter.

Very well said.