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stopping on a highway

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I mean, why stop lying now......

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Yep, clearly, she should have just plowed into the trailer without hitting the brakes.

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Was there a trailer in the right lane too? When you were pulled over by the police did you immediately signal and move to the shoulder, or did you stop in the right lane?

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did she do it even once?

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Can you actually see her feet in the video for the first 9 steps?

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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When you are a hammer you tend to look at things as nail or not-nail.

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So after watching Angela West drive on the shoulder, stop in the middle then right lane, fail to follow the directions on multiple tests, you would feel comfortable letter her drive away with an infant in the car? Keep in mind, if you're wrong and she hurts someone you are going to get sued at a minimum? Maybe you would let her go, but I completely understand why the officer made the decision she did.

Wow. 27 pages of obfuscation. Amazing.

Your continued personal attacks are quite unbecoming. You have now called him a moron and an idiot and have again insinuated that he was stupid.

I love you all

Ok fine you want to defend the officer. You then went in with your .15 guess. You went from defending her to absolutely going all in and hacking her play 100%. If you just would have posted a "I understand the arrest" post it wouldn't be a big problem. Instead you went all in with 5-2 off suit and you got called.

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Did you see her put her heal in front of her toe as instructed and the officer demonstrated?

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Yes. She started off in the correct position.

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Did you see her keep her hands at her side and hold one leg up fir 30 seconds? She put her arms out to balance and switched legs and held neither leg up for anywhere close to the instructed time period. She definitely failed.

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Overweight, stressed 61 yo on the side of the road at the end of a long day, traffic going by, windy. Forgive me for not expecting the balance of Suni Lee.

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Do you think a 61 YO is incapable of understanding the instruction to blow into the straw for 5 seconds? She was not able to follow the simple instructions on any of the above which is why she was arrested.

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The cop was too focused on correcting the mistakes from the failed attempts rather than calmly explaining "one long exhale, like blowing out the candles on a birthday cake. Don't stop until you hear the beep." She confused the issue by saying "have you ever blown up a balloon?" That's not one long breath, that is repeated blowing. That's instructing her to do in INCORRECTLY.

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No one expects perfect execution of every test. There is a lot of leeway given. However, when you fail every test on top of stopping on a highway it is a completely logical conclusion that you are intoxicated.

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When you are a hammer you tend to look at things as nail or not-nail.

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So after watching Angela West drive on the shoulder, stop in the middle then right lane, fail to follow the directions on multiple tests, you would feel comfortable letter her drive away with an infant in the car? Keep in mind, if you're wrong and she hurts someone you are going to get sued at a minimum? Maybe you would let her go, but I completely understand why the officer made the decision she did.

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YOU ( not me) made the claim this was clear cut intoxicated driving.

There could have been ( hypothetical is the realm we are in, mind you) a case where she was fatigued, exhausted, distracted by the child, or operating a cell phone. Could have been a mosquito for all any one knows at that point in the video.


The driver was an elderly woman clearly , obviously, manifestly confused why she was pulled over.

The field test was not done with honor guard precisionBy an elderly overweight woman likely with arthritis and host of other issues that could impact performance.

If the officer's concern was public safety but the field test was inconclusive then the same phone call offered to the driver to get the child could have also been afforded to the driver.

User name definitely fits.

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stopping on a highway

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Yep, clearly, she should have just plowed into the trailer without hitting the brakes.

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Was there a trailer in the right lane too? When you were pulled over by the police did you immediately signal and move to the shoulder, or did you stop in the right lane?

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You clearly do not understand my position is SHE DID NOT REALIZE THE LIGHTS WERE FOR HER WHEN SHE STOPPED BEHIND THE TRAILER. I've made that very clear, yet you continue to ignore it to press your narrative.

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Continuing to argue with someone who is wrong but will never understand why they're wrong and has no desire to understand why they're wrong just become (sic) an exercise in futility at some point.

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This is like watching a car crash in slow motion

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If there is no cup with alcohol in it in the car, then it is not sloppy police work, it is a lie. It is either there or it is not, which is why I want them to release the uncut footage. If multiple people on the scene say it was there, then there is either a conspiracy or it was there.

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How are you even still awake?

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Fresh off the evening shift for the DWI squad, presumably.

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Probably slept during his shift.

Uhhh I think this was made personal quite a few pages back.

this has taken an uncomfortable twist

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Mods cleaned it up, it was really uncomfortable for a bit.

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That sums it up.

Looks like sloppy police work. Hopefully a training issue and not a false statement.

My agency would investigate the officer.
The prosecutors in my jurisdiction would have no papered because of the sloppiness (the officer couldn't have smelled alcohol, it has NO smell).
If the officer lied on the papering documents, good luck being able to get anything papered in the future, or to ever testify in court.

West still let his emotions control his actions here.

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If there is no cup with alcohol in it in the car, then it is not sloppy police work, it is a lie. It is either there or it is not, which is why I want them to release the uncut footage. If multiple people on the scene say it was there, then there is either a conspiracy or it was there.

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I believe the cup was there. I am not a big conspiracy guy. I have already heard some people say that this is he fastest they have seen lab results come back and someone clearly messed with the sample. I do not believe that either. The only logical conclusion is that Angela West has some kind of neurological condition that Allen West did not want to admit to. 60-year olds can follow simple directions and West clearly could not that night. In the end, it's a footnote in a campaign for a guy who was gonna lose the gubernatorial race anyways. He's just going to lose with with a few thousand less votes on his side now.

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That didn't answer the question

You said there were only two possibilities
1. Conspiracy
2. Alcohol in the cup

You don't believe in conspiracies

So there was alcohol in the cup?

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Obviously there was no alcohol in the cup. Just like her BAC wasn't going to be .15. She would have been passed out in the jail cell.

I want to know what type of alcohol the cop thought she smelled? Whiskey? Beer?

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Yup. Hopefully the car wreck is cleared and we can all move along.

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stopping on a highway

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Loup 12/Northwest Highway is not a highway? Guess they need to change the name.

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You called it a highway or possibly a freeway, in one of your first post bashing my original post. Now that the evidence has been released, it appears that my layman's observations were more accurate than your trained observations. Perhaps after dealing with my older parents and other older persons, I could better understand the situation from Mrs West's viewpoint.

You said I would have to apologize once the bloodwork came in. It came in, my observations were proven to be more accurate. Thus I have no reason to publicly apologize to the TexAgs community regarding my post.

You expected me to apologize if you were correct.
Now that your 0.15 prediction has been found to be wrong, you still refuse to admit that your observations weren't accurate. It is disappointing that you insisted that someone should acknowledge their mistake if it were shown to be so when you had no intention of acknowledging that you were mistaken should your observations be shown to be wrong.

This is a political discussion board of anonymous posters. Few if any know who you are. You have nothing to gain by being obstinate. From posts above, if anything your obstinance is making your already difficult job more difficult. Admit you made a mistake, learn from it, and move on.
Why would an older person who has been driving for 40 years without any prior stops appear to misunderstand the process?
Does age play a role?
Would lack of traffic stop experience be important to consider?
Perhaps at her age her hearing is not very good, especially with a lot of background noise?
Might it be more important to make sure instructions are heard and fully understood when stopping an older person?
Would confusion by not knowing why she was stopped play a role?
It seems like DPD could either stand firm that everything was done correctly, thereby damaging its credibility, or take this experience as an opportunity to learn from a mistake and improve procedure to avoid similar mistakes in the future.

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No there was a van.

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Loup 12/Northwest Highway is not a highway? Guess they need to change the name.

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Not sure exactly where this incident occurred, but yes there are definitely sections of loop 12/northwest highway that have numerous traffic lights.

Not the person you replied to, but....

Do you honestly believe she didn't know what was going on until the breathalyzer came out?

So you put who through the whole field sobriety test and she had no idea what was happening?

If you are pulled over by the police and they call a second car for backup, and they ask you to exit your car, that is a good sign you're going to be arrested. They can't arrest you while you're sitting in your car.

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What dots are connected? The point i see him trying to make is that the police chief is too concerned with social issues to bother ensuring the people he is charged with overseeing do their jobs properly, thoroughly and lawfully. Instead he runs cover for them and reneges on his promise to admit mistakes.

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I've been trying to understand 1) why he keeps posting memes of Garcia with a rainbow flag, 2) why he keeps creating memes with a rainbow flag, 3) why he has such a hard-on for Garcia. Answer: He doesn't like gays or people he sees as supporting the gay 'agenda', which is his political prerogative. This is the politics board, it is the right place to express political opinions.

The only article I found on Garcia and the alphabet group said he wants everyone to feel safe in Dallas, and he is shocked DPD used to ask people about their sexual orientation in the interview process and refuse to hire based on the answer. Yeah, he's a real social justice warrior /s

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Not the person you replied to, but....

Do you honestly believe she didn't know what was going on until the breathalyzer came out?

So you put who through the whole field sobriety test and she had no idea what was happening?

If you are pulled over by the police and they call a second car for backup, and they ask you to exit your car, that is a good sign you're going to be arrested. They can't arrest you while you're sitting in your car.

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Yes, watch her reaction to the breathalyzer. I don't think she had any idea what was happening. She also asked why the cop was making her do all this stuff.

She said during the heel toe walk she'd never even received a citation before.

Remember, she's a 0.00, she didn't drink anything. Getting busted for drunk driving was nowhere on her radar.

I'm astounded these two keep coming back to defend their position.

I had a drunk uncle. Every couple weeks he'd call my mom (her brother) to come pick him up.

My mom: "Where are you?"
Drunk Uncle at 2:15am: "I don't know. I'm leaving a bar."
My mom: "What bar?"
Drunk Uncle: "I don't know."
My mom: "Can you see a street sign or a business sign?"
Drunk Uncle: "Azusa. I'm on Azusa."

We'd drive up and down Azusa looking for the drunk guy.

Next day...
Drunk Uncle: "Hey sis, can you come get me again?:
My mom: "Same place?"
Drunk Uncle: "I don't think so. I'm not sure where I am."

My drunk uncle would call my mom and she'd go get him so he wouldn't drive. He was a train wreck. At least he had the excuse that he was a drunk. I just don't get Bo and Buzzy. Maybe they're just catfishing us, now?!

They'll be back tomorrow after Bo gets off his DWI Task Force. Probably arrest a couple people for drunk driving, using his "probably cause" line.

Tell us how many you catch Bo.

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I explained it to you already when I replied here,
https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3218998/replies/60043071
so quit asking and grasping at straws. Everyone here sees your desperate attempt to paint me as homophobic as a sign you are looking for anything you can to troll this thread away from the fact you are an embarrassment to A&M alum.

Eddie Garcia is a great pioneer for LGBTQ task forces and rainbow flag flying. So far its his legacy. That's great, good for him. He is NOT known for taking accountability when his cops lie on affidavits and violate civil rights. Kind of like you are known on this thread for being an absolute disgrace.

https://abc7news.com/san-jose-poplice-police-department-pride/5489105/

https://dallasvoice.com/dallas-pride-flags-fly-over-city-facilities/

This thread needs to get back on track. Garcia is the head of DPD, he dictates where this goes from here.

I haven't seen someone lose this much credibility since Rojo said we were getting the ole ball coach

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Not the person you replied to, but....

Do you honestly believe she didn't know what was going on until the breathalyzer came out?

So you put who through the whole field sobriety test and she had no idea what was happening?

If you are pulled over by the police and they call a second car for backup, and they ask you to exit your car, that is a good sign you're going to be arrested. They can't arrest you while you're sitting in your car.

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Yes, watch her reaction to the breathalyzer. I don't think she had any idea what was happening. She also asked why the cop was making her do all this stuff.

She said during the heel toe walk she'd never even received a citation before.

Remember, she's a 0.00, she didn't drink anything. Getting busted for drunk driving was nowhere on her radar.

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The first (and only) time I did a field sobriety test, the minute the officer asked me to step out of the car, I knew what was happening.

I was 0.00, hadn't drank anything, and knew if I failed, I was going to be arrested for drunk driving.

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The first (and only) time I did a field sobriety test, the minute the officer asked me to step out of the car, I knew what was happening.

I was 0.00, hadn't drank anything, and knew if I failed, I was going to be arrested for drunk driving.

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The first (and only) time I did a field sobriety test, the minute the officer asked me to step out of the car, I knew what was happening.

I was 0.00, hadn't drank anything, and knew if I failed, I was going to be arrested for drunk driving.

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I agree it seems implausible. It might be 1 in 1 million or more that a person would not realize what is happening. However, a 61 year old grandmother who has never even received a citation, possibly never even been pulled over, certainly seems to be a possibility for that to fit.

Now that you know she is a 0.00. You know she had nothing to drink. Watch the video again. Instead of a drunk, do you see a confused older lady? (She's not much older than me) Pay close attention when the breathalyzer is pulled out. It sure seems like an "Aha" moment to me, that she realizes the cop thinks she is drunk.

I'm not going to guarantee I'm right and certainly won't disparage anyone that disagrees, but it fits perfectly to me.

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Thirdcoast allegedly passed one so the instructions must not be too confusing.

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Nah, I didn't even need to pass the cop's test, the cop failed the citizen's test. That is doing or saying anything that can't be played in front of a jury of other citizens. Something L.Harris failed and something I'm absolutely certain you have failed many times over your career as a cop.

Good grief.... Has this thing blown up since I last sat down to read.

This thread makes me more sad than anything, on multiple levels.

I'd be curious of a respectable cop's opinion on Eddie Garcia. I've seen a lot from the blue about West, I get it. But I don't get the silence on Garcia holding a presser and literally saying "when we are wrong, we are wrong and hold ourselves accountable". Now he is saying his cop "made decisions based on what she new at the time". Not to mention putting out the edited video to give her cover beforehand. Also inadvertently conveying that CPS and tows are DPD tools to punish or show mercy.

I get Chiefs backing their cops, but he went further with all that nonsense. Would be nice to see some officers repair a bit of the damage Bosephus has done here.

I think the vast majority of cops are honest and would never lie on an affidavit. But I also think 70% of cops have bigger egos than the average citizen, which makes it so hard for Garcia and others to swallow their pride.

To be real honest, I'm not a fan of anything Dallas so don't really pay any attention to anything about it. I couldn't tell you the first thing about Garcia.

I live 45mins away and before this, I didn't even know the name of the Dallas Police Chief. I try to stay in my bubble.

This entire situation is proof that some tact, trying to be calm and focus on facts, and have some humility is a great thing, from all angles. And in this society, it's a lost art, from virtually everyone. There's a reason I waited to form my opinion until all the facts were in.

Hopefully, everything will be investigated thoroughly. If that officer lied or embellished anything in a report or affidavit, she never needs to wear a uniform again, anywhere. There is absolutely no room for that.

There needs to be a bright light shone on this to see how this happened. When was in our DWI Unit, we had 4 of us. Between 4 of us, I bet we had 500 + DWI arrests in the year I was there. And not one time did any of us arrest anyone that came back Zeros on BAC or drugs, so I don't know how that happens.

One thing I hope doesn't happen is for people to take a negative view of DWI enforcement. I've seen far too much tragedy and destruction as a result of drunk drivers. I still contend it was the year I made the most difference in my career.

I just wish more people were able to take a more measured tone and approach with each other and be humble when wrong.

It isn't the end of the world to admit being wrong.

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If she wasn't drunk, I wonder if she has a blood sugar issue?