Allen West's wife arrested in Dallas

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BuddysBud
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Buzzy said:

BuddysBud said:

Buzzy said:

So you admit you have a clear bias against police officers, so we should disregard your opinion? Noted.


I never said that. My wife's uncle retired from HPD.

Just because a few police officers are corrupt, incompetent, power hungry, inexperienced, etc. doesn't mean all are.

You are jumping to conclusions.

Perhaps I have a bias for grandmothers?
You didn't have to say it, anyone else could read your comments and see your issue.

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Having been on a traffic court jury where the officer obviously lied about the situation and the judge was fine with it, and when my sister was hit by someone who was a buddy with the cop, so the cop lied on the report to get his friend off the hook, I don't blindly trust what is in a police report to be fact.



You conveniently ignored the part where my father was friends with the police chief.
sonnysixkiller
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Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?
BuddysBud
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Buzzy said:

BuddysBud said:

Bocephus said:

We fixed the keg said:

Thanks. I don't think there is any good way out of this situation now. Even if West is 100% alcohol free, I didn't see anything in that video which would make me feel safe with her driving with any of my loved ones. It also appears we have added another candidate to the bone heap.

Regardless of the outcome, I think the officer's career is probably over. To some extent, even if this was 100% a result of being over zealous I think this officer would be taking the fall for badly executed policy and poor training .... IF it turns out to be the case. Only losers in this one.


I think the officer will do very well. As long as her face hasn't been leaked to the media then she will be fine.


Hopefully she will not be doxxed. Alan West giving out her name and badge number is inexcusable.

Perhaps some additional training and a little humility is all that is needed for her to be an excellent police officer.
She's already been doxxed and received death threats, Alan West knew exactly what he was doing when he kept putting her name and badge number out there. It was a cowardly leftist tactic that exposed exactly who he is.

HTF does this officer need to learn humility? She was controlled and professional throughout the stop, if you can watch the Youtube video of the stop and Alan West's comments and come to the conclusion the officer is the one needing to humble herself, there is something wrong with you.




I had a long post about the video.

I also have commented about Alan West's intimidation
In several posts, including the one you quoted.

You can read my observations in those posts.
You can agree or disagree. If I were on a jury and all I had was that video, Mrs West wouldn't be convicted.
Of course other evidence will be admitted. The blood results will be key.

If the report states that Mrs West shirt had been wet or stained by an alcoholic beverage, the video doesn't support that claim. I see no indication of a wet spot or stain on Mrs West's blouse. If it were there, then it should show when the officer shines the light on her during the eye test. This contradiction creates doubt in the report. It is not a bias, it is logic. If the officer lied in her report in order to have a greater chance of a conviction then she was not doing her job. I do not know either way. Even if Mrs West is found guilty, if the report includes false information then the officer needs additional training. I would guess that a defense attorney could turn a jury based upon a small detail like that.

As a chat room we have the luxury of speculation as things develop. The legal system should not work that way. A few cases last year, however, seem to convict officers in public opinion to the point of having kangaroo courts just reconfirming public opinion based on fear of repercussions.

I respect the job of law enforcement and despise the entire defund the police movement. I respect those who do the job and am thankful they are there to protect the public.

Nothing I said in any of my posts supports or encourages death threats to the officer.
As I mentioned above if it turns out in favor of Mrs West, anything regarding the officer is an internal DPD matter only.

Edit to remove the personal counter attack and ask why are you personally attacking me when we probably are in complete agreement regarding the actual villain in this situation.
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Bocephus - How long does it take to receive blood test results back from a lab(?) for any random individual not involved in a public situation like this in Dallas?

The only real 'public' police officer I know of off hand is Art Acevedo(sp?) - when he was in Houston I got the impression that many times he acted as a politician as much as a Chief when speaking with media. That might just be him personally, but with that anecdote in mind - the 'political' side of being police chief of a big city seems like it might lead to a Chief wanting to know as much information as possible before addressing something. Can you speak to that as it relates to this case?

TIA
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sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
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Bocephus
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DirtyMikesBoys said:

Bocephus - How long does it take to receive blood test results back from a lab(?) for any random individual not involved in a public situation like this in Dallas?

The only real 'public' police officer I know of off hand is Art Acevedo(sp?) - when he was in Houston I got the impression that many times he acted as a politician as much as a Chief when speaking with media. That might just be him personally, but with that anecdote in mind - the 'political' side of being police chief of a big city seems like it might lead to a Chief wanting to know as much information as possible before addressing something. Can you speak to that as it relates to this case?

TIA


I believe it takes a few weeks. My results always came back positive so I would never hear about bc the arrested person always took a plea.

This is the least political chief I have seen bc he does not need this job. He's not chasing another gig. He does not NEED this job. He is financially comfortable.

Acevedo is a universally despised clown. No one respects him anywhere.
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powerbelly
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As a Dallas resident I am a big fan of this chief so far. I can't believe he stepped into this ****show.
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powerbelly said:

As a Dallas resident I am a big fan of this chief so far. I can't believe he stepped into this ****show.


Same. No idea why he took the job, but he seems to be awesome so far. Night and day vs. medical leave lashes renee hall.
zephyr88
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The eyes of the woman in the video are the eyes of someone who knows they are in trouble. The eyes of fear, but not the eyes of someone who felt like they were being targeted for "driving while black" or "driving while Republican". They were the eyes of "oh sh^t, I got caught".

I'll continue to follow this out of curiousity.
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OldArmyBrent said:

No, I asked why there's is a better chance of one than the other. You can't answer that except to provide your own anecdote, an anecdote you fully admit got you arrested. That's the opposite of the argument you were trying to make. You even intentionally confused everyone with the two different stories - one where you drove drunk and got away and another where you drove drunk and got arrested but got the case dismissed. Maybe it's all made up and you confused your drunk driving stories?


Keep digging yourself a hole and trying to marginalize me as a "drunk driver".

I don't know how you can't understand the difference between getting arrested vs getting convicted of DWI. The argument by many here, and the general lawyer rule of thumb, is to refuse everything and go to jail, then let the lawyer defend you without any evidence of roadside tests. It is NOT refuse everything and then drive home or even have a chance to drive home.

A) If you get pulled over suspected of drunk driving and refuse all tests you are almost 100% guaranteed to go to jail.

B) If you get pulled for drunk driving and intend to only do roadside tests you can pass, but refuse a breathalyzer, you are almost 100% guaranteed to go to jail. (This was my arrest and DWI dismissal)

C) If you get pulled over and talk to the cop enough that he doesn't even initiate a roadside test, you might drive home. (This was my non arrest)

I never said I was drunk driving, just that I may have been around .08 and not confident to blow. You don't seem to understand the difference between an arrest and a conviction. I don't know if I can help you with that.

You absolutely are more likely to not get arrested by complying, because a full refusal is a guaranteed trip to jail. That said, on average, complying with roadside tests is more likely to get you a conviction, which is a much bigger deal and why everyone is blasting me on here.

But I'm NOT talking about "on average". I'm talking about educated adults with college degrees who are not hammered. And those who also understand what the HGN test is looking for, and that saying ABCs is not a roadside test. That rules out BMX and many others here who are throwing shade my way.

I don't know how I can be any more clear than this.

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nai06
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Player To Be Named Later said:





I don't care who you are, that's funny
Faustus
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fooz said:

UhOhNoAgTag said:

Sea Speed said:

How long does it take to get blood back?




I have the same question.
DPD is dragging ass on purpose.


Google would have told you it's usually weeks, but when it comes to VIPs like the Wests a few days is too long. DPD is doing them wrong yet again.
Bocephus
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powerbelly said:

As a Dallas resident I am a big fan of this chief so far. I can't believe he stepped into this ****show.


The rare patrol officer who moved up the ranks. The fact that he has sleeve tattoos but will not change the tattoo policy bc he does not think it looks professional tells you all you need to know. He treats everyone equally. I also think that he is very intelligent.
TAMU ‘98 Ole Miss ‘21
DannyDuberstein
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He's always come across to me as very intelligent except for wanting this job LOL. But maybe he's an intelligent masochist
Bocephus
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Faustus said:

fooz said:

UhOhNoAgTag said:

Sea Speed said:

How long does it take to get blood back?




I have the same question.
DPD is dragging ass on purpose.


Google would have told you it's usually weeks, but when it comes to VIPs like the Wests a few days is too long. DPD is doing them wrong yet again.


The chief already stated that the West's were gonna have to wait just like everyone else.
TAMU ‘98 Ole Miss ‘21
Bocephus
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DannyDuberstein said:

He's always come across to me as very intelligent except for wanting this job LOL. But maybe he's an intelligent masochist


/servant
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lastrebel2000
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Bocephus said:

sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/
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lastrebel2000 said:

Bocephus said:

sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/
From that article, sounds like they only tested for alcohol, not drugs.
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Martin Cash said:

lastrebel2000 said:

Bocephus said:

sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/
From that article, sounds like they only tested for alcohol, not drugs.

I posted this on Monday. Her attorney has said they tested for drugs, too:

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Shapiro also said Graham-West went and got a five-panel, instant urinalysis test Monday morning that also included an alcohol test. He said it showed zero presence of drugs or alcohol. The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/23/dallas-arrest-allen-west-angela-graham/

Also, this isn't about drug impairment, they're all in that she was drinking - alcohol spilled on shirt, alcohol in the McDonald's cup, smell of alcohol when the officer approached. It's all about the results of the blood test, now. Someone is going to look pretty bad when the results come out and the other side will be vindicated.
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Shocked face
“A republic, if you can keep it”

AggieKatie2 said:
ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
Decay
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The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
I wanna get 80 hour drunk
VegasAg86
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Decay said:

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The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
I wanna get 80 hour drunk




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What Is EtG?
Ethyl Glucuronide (EtG) is a direct biological marker that is formed in the body after the consumption of ethanol from drinking alcoholic beverages. When someone consumes even relatively small amounts of alcohol, EtG is formed and can be detected. EtG may be detectable as soon as 2 hours after use and up to 80 hours past consumption.


https://premierbiotech.com/innovation/etg-article/
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Decay said:

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The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
I wanna get 80 hour drunk


College must have been really lame for you
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Martin Cash said:

lastrebel2000 said:

Bocephus said:

sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/
From that article, sounds like they only tested for alcohol, not drugs.
FYI "The term 5 panel drug test comes from the 5 actual panels in the immunoassay process. These panels, or strips, represent the 5 substances tested for, including: amphetamine, cocaine, opiates, phencyclidine, and marijuana (THC)."
Decay
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Sea Speed said:

Decay said:

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The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
I wanna get 80 hour drunk
College must have been really lame for you
I never said I didn't try
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Decay said:

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The alcohol test traces back up to 80 hours, Shapiro said.
I wanna get 80 hour drunk
I've been there once. It was actually scary. Would never do that again.
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I want to know if the breathalizer ever put out a reading, or if the officer just recorded it was "inconclusive" because West didn't blow right.

It sounded like the last of the 4 attempts might have gotten a reading, while the first 3 attempts got a triple beep error.

The chief didnt say they couldnt get a reading. He said the results were "inconclusive because the test wasnt done properly." That could mean:

1) there were no readings, because West didn't blow properly
2) there were no readings because the cop didn't operate it properly
3) there was a reading that they didn't like bc West didn't blow right

If it ends up being #3, it's just one more of many reasons why this cop was nowhere near "excellent" and moves the case even closer than it already is to becoming a traffic violation.
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I'm just kind of surprised that Dallas PD even still uses PBTs.

They aren't admissable in court anyway, so why even interject that into the equation. Just seems to muddy the waters IMO
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PBTs?
“A republic, if you can keep it”

AggieKatie2 said:
ETX is honestly starting to scare me a bit as someone who may be trigger happy.
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AggieLostinDallas said:

PBTs?
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Personal Breathalyzer Test..... that hand held test that they asked West to use in the field. I don't know why there are still departments using them. Their results can't be used in court in Texas because they aren't generally calibrated as accurately as the ones at the jail.
Bocephus
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lastrebel2000 said:

Bocephus said:

sonnysixkiller said:

Nightmare and I like West would have voted for him. How long will it take to get blood test results back ?


I believe it takes a few weeks.
Blood test might. Apparently she passed a urine test

https://texasscorecard.com/metroplex/lab-results-show-allen-wests-wife-not-intoxicated-when-arrested/


There's a reason no police department in the world uses urine tests.
TAMU ‘98 Ole Miss ‘21
Bocephus
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thirdcoast said:

I want to know if the breathalizer ever put out a reading, or if the officer just recorded it was "inconclusive" because West didn't blow right.

It sounded like the last of the 4 attempts might have gotten a reading, while the first 3 attempts got a triple beep error.

The chief didnt say they couldnt get a reading. He said the results were "inconclusive because the test wasnt done properly." That could mean:

1) there were no readings, because West didn't blow properly
2) there were no readings because the cop didn't operate it properly
3) there was a reading that they didn't like bc West didn't blow right

If it ends up being #3, it's just one more of many reasons why this cop was nowhere near "excellent" and moves the case even closer than it already is to becoming a traffic violation.



If you saw her maintain a breath for 5-10 seconds then you answered your own question. Not like PBT matters anyways.
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Bocephus
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Player To Be Named Later said:

I'm just kind of surprised that Dallas PD even still uses PBTs.

They aren't admissable in court anyway, so why even interject that into the equation. Just seems to muddy the waters IMO


It's an indicator just like everything else. If someone smells like booze but you get a .02 on the PBT are you going to bother transporting to jail so they can be tested there?
TAMU ‘98 Ole Miss ‘21
 
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