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Sid Farkas said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Yeah, and If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle…

The discussion isn't about Occam's razor, it's about whether or not life exists elsewhere, which it doesn't.

Even if it did, what are the odds it came to earth in the first place? Then it only contacted the US military, and has avoided leaving any tangible evidence that we can see?

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This makes several times you've asserted that ETs have "only contacted the US military." That is flatly not true; UFO sightings, including contact, have been reported by military sources all over the world. Including Russia, China, the UK, and Brazil, just to name a few. Whether you regard these reports as credible or not is up to you, but this part of your appeal to common sense is easily dismissed by anyone who has a basic familiarity with the UFO discussion.

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Where is the irrefutable evidence?

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I'm waiting for irrefutable evidence myself because I share your skepticism. When one of your objections is that "it doesn't make any sense that ETs would only contact the US military,", you're revealing your own ignorance of the subject. Claims of UFO and ET contact are not limited to the US military. So your argument in that respect is not as clever or logical as you imagine.

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Sid Farkas said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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I totally realize I sound like someone on the Covid board in 2020, trying to convince the Covidians the lab-leak theory is true...but I'll take another swing at it.

Occam's Razor says there are zero intelligent beings in the cosmos, except on planet earth.

The only evidence you have are circumstantial comments, made by federal government personnel - who have proven to be the least trustworthy people on earth who's office space isn't referred to as a courtroom or a newsroom.

The Feds have believable reasons for keeping the canard alive, 1) To keep our earthly enemies guessing about technology we might have, 2) To have the ability to instill fear and confusion into the minds of the public. (A confused, fearful public is easy to control - for good or evil purposes).

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Occam probably was never abducted. Never had an implant inserted. Never saw a craft up close. Never saw an et. Never been threatened for speaking about the reality. Even if the gov says..yeah we ain't alone...many will not believe. Do we trust them then?

Remote viewing. You can run from it, but you can't hide.

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Not sure if srs. You forgot to address the fact that we, as intelligent life, are alone in the universe. Thus making the odds of an et encounter precisely zero-point-zero-zero. Right up there with Bigfoot.

The evidence is purely speculative based on comments by individuals. does the fact that not one piece of hard evidence is in the public domain mean anything? Why (and how tf) did the et's happend to choose the American military, and only the American military to reveal themselves to?

Statistical probability and critical thinking are missing here guys.

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In your mind, how do you account for all the personal testimonies/accounts regarding this reality? Are the various quotes from those who might very well know regarding it in actuality related to something else entirely? Or perhaps just flat out lies? Full disclosure here...I'm as convinced in the reality as much as I am having a nose.

What evidence in your mind would you deem non-speculative?

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Yes. It's a lie that the US government perpetuates because it's useful. It keeps our adversaries guessing as to what extraterrestrial technology we might have, and it can be used to create fear and confusion if necessary during a time of crisis (kinda like the Covid hoax on steroids).

Physical evidence of material and technology that could not have come from earth would help give cred to your theories. But we'll never get it, because it doesn't exist.

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As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting.

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As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting.

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A few of the parameters for intelligent life to develop:

*Planet orbits the right type of star
*Right distance from star
*Planet has proper core composition to create magnetic field to deflect radiation
*Large planet like Jupiter to siphon off asteroids
*Sufficient time for life to develop
*Planet has circular orbit
*Other planets in solar system proper distance away
*Planet must have a moon
*Planet must have proper thickness of crust
*Planet must have proper reflectivity (too much=Hoth) (too little=Dune)
*Water
*Atmosphere
*Planet rotates on axis (not tidally locked)
*Ratio of land to water
*Distant from Black Holes
*Rainfall rate
*Planet rotates at proper rate
*Dozens of chemical composition requirements

etc. etc. etc.

The more I learn, the less I am sure that there is intelligent life near us. In the galaxy? Very likely. In the Universe? Certainly.

The odds that beings developed faster than light travel & are visiting us on the regular are infinitely small. This is all a military cover up IMO. The miniature alien sculptures from Mexico are a joke.

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Greer is a proven liar and fraud.

https://sqpn.com/2022/02/steven-greer-summoning-aliens-cseti-ce5/

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Greer literally hired flares so that "experiencers" could be lied to by him, justifying quite high "experience" fees.

So, not listening is fully justified.

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Aztec1948 said:

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Redstone said:

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Greer literally hired flares so that "experiencers" could be lied to by him, justifying quite high "experience" fees.

So, not listening is fully justified.

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I had contact with someone in his office. That is simply not true. I can believe someone doing it perhaps without his knowledge. That's just as easy to believe. To what end though? And by whom? It's called confirmation bias.

His work on getting this reality out in the open and potentially the truth uncovered is tremendous. Years from now, chapters will include the work he has done over the past 30 years.

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Aztec1948 said:

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Redstone said:

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Greer literally hired flares so that "experiencers" could be lied to by him, justifying quite high "experience" fees.

So, not listening is fully justified.

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I had contact with someone in his office. That is simply not true. I can believe someone doing it perhaps without his knowledge. That's just as easy to believe. To what end though? And by whom? It's called confirmation bias.

His work on getting this reality out in the open and potentially the truth uncovered is tremendous. Years from now, chapters will include the work he has done over the past 30 years.

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You misuse "reality" a lot. Your reality is what you want to believe and what others who you agree with believe, without any proof. People with your beliefs who tell you something you want to hear means nothing.

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so i take it the whole mexican congressional ufo thing was nothing more than a bad nancy pelosi joke with some stuffed corpses?

and nothing came of the american hearings other than some former military guys said there's weird **** in the sky sometimes?

did i miss anything?

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Aztec1948 said:

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cbr said:

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so i take it the whole mexican congressional ufo thing was nothing more than a bad nancy pelosi joke with some stuffed corpses?

and nothing came of the american hearings other than some former military guys said there's weird **** in the sky sometimes?

did i miss anything?

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"There is a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral. We are most definitely not alone."- 36-year-old David Grusch has served in the Air Force for 14 years and is a decorated Afghanistan combat officer who had earlier worked with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

there's that...

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cbr said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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cbr said:

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so i take it the whole mexican congressional ufo thing was nothing more than a bad nancy pelosi joke with some stuffed corpses?

and nothing came of the american hearings other than some former military guys said there's weird **** in the sky sometimes?

did i miss anything?

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"There is a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the US populace which is extremely unethical and immoral. We are most definitely not alone."- 36-year-old David Grusch has served in the Air Force for 14 years and is a decorated Afghanistan combat officer who had earlier worked with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

there's that...

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yes, i should definitely have said that there is a disinformation campaign.. or rather many.

i am not really a skeptic on the CONCEPT of alternate life. But i am very much a skeptic on the current state of INFORMATION about it, or more specifically, any real evidence of it ever being HERE.

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cbr said:

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so i take it the whole mexican congressional ufo thing was nothing more than a bad nancy pelosi joke with some stuffed corpses?

and nothing came of the american hearings other than some former military guys said there's weird **** in the sky sometimes?

did i miss anything?

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Aztec1948 said:

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https://richarddolanmembers.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/UAP-Disclosure-Act-of-2023-Fy24-NDAA-As-Amended.pdf

UAP Disclosure ACT 2023

Not sure if this has made its way to the thread...but here goes.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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https://richarddolanmembers.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/UAP-Disclosure-Act-of-2023-Fy24-NDAA-As-Amended.pdf

UAP Disclosure ACT 2023

Not sure if this has made its way to the thread...but here goes.

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It would have only made it to this thread if you have posted it.

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