Redstone said:
Although argument from authority is weak overall...
personal credibility is also a factor here.
Is Bob Lazar credible? I believe so.
Is Edgar Mitchell credible? I believe so.
How many decorated military personnel believe? A lot.
You just shot holes in your own arguments. The technology that aliens would have and our trying to understand it would be like someone in 1000 BC trying to understand an MRI system.bmks270 said:AGinHI said:I find it extremely difficult to believe that in our endless universe, somewhere out there other life forms have picked up a signal from our imperceptible spec amongst innumerable specs, determined that visiting is imperative, and have traveled here within their lifespaniluvpoker said:Redstone said:
WITNESS ME friendos, it is prediction time.
Before the 46th president, there will be Disclosure.
Remember I said it, because I will be quoting myself as this thread is taken straight back to the damned top with a giant
I TOLD YOU SO
edit: I want this turned post blue when I return to gloat
Are you saying that aliens from another solar system have landed on this planet in the last 100 years? Does anyone else here believe this?
Or they just randomly stumbled upon us.
I think the belief that a superior intelligence and life form exists and have chosen to visit us, in the entire universe, speaks to mankind, our inclinations and desire for explanation and purpose and narcissistic tendency.
That's why sometimes dimensional crossover can seem more likely.
Physical beings like us would likely need to age on different times scales than humans, and also need faster than light communication, or simply have some technology that has mastered physics in a way we don't understand. Maybe that mastery lies in something outside of sensory capability.
For example. Look what the discovery of electricity has allowed man to accomplish. MRIs, computers, microwaves, radio communications.
Now imagine some life form has discovered and mastered some other phenomena that we humans are still ignorant of, similar to our prior ignorance to electricity, that allows aliens to travel anywhere instantly.
Maybe it's something in what people refer to as another dimension, or spiritual realm, or whatever you want to call it. Different words bring different meanings to mind for people, but the point is we are ignorant of the principles of the alien technology just like we were formerly ignorant of electricity.
The UFO phenomenon is real. I'm not convinced the crafts have ever landed, but it is a fact that there is something entering our atmosphere and zipping around in the skies.
This phenomenon has been well documented since the 1940s. The US government investigated the phenomenon openly in the 40s and 50s in Project Blue Book. Project Blue Book debunked many sightings but many remained for which no terrestrial explanation exists. The original source material can be found online in the FBI vault. It includes witness statements and investigation notes on hundreds if not thousands of UFO sighting investigations.
I spent time reviewing some of this original source material, and it is evident the investigators and the US government believed that the origin was not terrestrial.
Once the US concluded that the origin was not a foreign government they stopped investigating reports, at least they say they stopped investigating them.
It seems sightings have picked up in the last two decades. Not surprising with more people, more technology to record these phenomenon, and a huge increase in planes in the air, there are just more opportunities for humans to cross paths with these UFOs.
The blue book files summary describes specific types of objects sighted and their frequency. These descriptions based on sightings in the 40s and 50s are identical to modern sightings. The descriptions have remained constant over the last 70 years. There are only a handful, but they include: orbs of light, saucers, triangles, very large cigar shapes (the blue book files specify 1,000-2,000 feet in length)
You have a way to try to make a simple thing sound philosophical. It's simple - our technological knowledge has lots of room to grow. Just like it's been throughout human history.bmks270 said:
That's why the terms inter dimensional seems fitting because that's how it appears from our ignorance. It could really be spiritual, or inter dimensional. I'm saying, we don't know what we don't know. Could be physical or anything, but it's way outside of our current comprehension.
Also not surprising given greater opportunities for the more easily explainable human behavior in creating a hoax or fabricating an event to procure social recognition, financial gain, bolster self-importance (i.e., I've witnessed something no one else has), or the simple satisfaction and humor in duping people.Quote:
It seems sightings have picked up in the last two decades. Not surprising with more people, more technology to record these phenomenon, and a huge increase in planes in the air, there are just more opportunities for humans to cross paths with these UFOs.
RV Ag said:You have a way to try to make a simple thing sound philosophical. It's simple - our technological knowledge has lots of room to grow. Just like it's been throughout human history.bmks270 said:
That's why the terms inter dimensional seems fitting because that's how it appears from our ignorance. It could really be spiritual, or inter dimensional. I'm saying, we don't know what we don't know. Could be physical or anything, but it's way outside of our current comprehension.
Problem is he only posts hour long videos.FriscoKid said:
So are you going to storm the base tomorrow with the others or chicken out? Just think, if you make it inside with a camera and upload your prize before you are killed then you will be a legend.
It would be well worth your time RV.Old RV Ag said:Problem is he only posts hour long videos.FriscoKid said:
So are you going to storm the base tomorrow with the others or chicken out? Just think, if you make it inside with a camera and upload your prize before you are killed then you will be a legend.
I'm old so I'm very selective of my remaining hours!Spyderman said:It would be well worth your time RV.Old RV Ag said:Problem is he only posts hour long videos.FriscoKid said:
So are you going to storm the base tomorrow with the others or chicken out? Just think, if you make it inside with a camera and upload your prize before you are killed then you will be a legend.
Old RV Ag said:I'm old so I'm very selective of my remaining hours!Spyderman said:It would be well worth your time RV.Old RV Ag said:Problem is he only posts hour long videos.FriscoKid said:
So are you going to storm the base tomorrow with the others or chicken out? Just think, if you make it inside with a camera and upload your prize before you are killed then you will be a legend.
Redstone said:
I believe you.
Please tell the story here.
Pinche Abogado said:
I've taken several forms of psychedelic drugs. Some were good experiences, some were terrifying. All I know is that energy exists outside of what we can perceive in a way that can't be explained.
FriscoKid said:
I'm telling you, the truth couldn't be much closer. Just imagine you are Mulder.
Scully!FriscoKid said:
Now Scully on the other hand. She was my college fantasy gal. I might have stormed the base to impress her.
